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LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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From my perspective, if you like Windows, you defend android. If you se Mac, it just makes sense to use iPhone.

Most Mac users in my experience, aren't wrapped up in tuning, customizing, tweaking, skinning, booting, etc... They see these devices largely as a means to an end....

Android has its fans and its target audience, which is fine. I'm not interested, I have not looked at Windows or android as a solution in more than a decade.. I'm just not interested in playing with the OS. My Apple devices operate more like appliances than computers... I don't have to deal with drivers and all that, I don't have to pay for licenses when they update (this is a big bonus over time as I remember the cost of office, windows updates, etc) and I don't have to deal with hardware issues, drivers, incompatibilities, firmware, etc.

For some they enjoy that level of immersion in the guts of their devices. I'm not. I use these devices to make a living and the last thing I want to be dealing with is a problem with the hardware or software becaus that's time I'm not making money or being efficient.

The customization possibilities of android hold no interest to me whatsoever. If anything, it is a detractor.

People who like android are free to continue to use it. This is why we have choices. The debate over who is better is just so silly.

That's a huge stereotype that's not even true for the majority of Android users.
 
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spinedoc77

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No I'm not. Apple's profit margin is the determining factor for you guys? Really?

I was curious about that as well. Just because it sold well doesn't mean it's the better phone, kind of a lame way to try and win a debate. But as many others have pointed out this is just based on the users preferences and their uses. I like both the ip7 and the note 7. If I had to choose which is the better phone overall then it would be the Note 7 by a wide margin, but with that said I'm not choosing to keep mine.
 

Roadstar

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From my perspective, if you like Windows, you defend android. If you se Mac, it just makes sense to use iPhone.

Oh wow, such a generalization. I use both platforms in both senses (computer and mobile) and using an iPhone if you use a Mac making sense applies only if you have a recent Mac. With my primary home computer (a 2011 Mac mini) I don't get any extra integration with my iPhone 6s compared to my Nexus 5X. With my work computer (a 2014 rMBP) I get the occasional Continuity, but that doesn't occur reliably enough to make it a feature I could depend on.

What I care about is getting things done, and unfortunately that's increasingly often hindered by Apple as they deem my perfectly functional Mac not recent enough or decide that I don't need a certain functionality as I don't live in the US.
 

rawlus

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Mar 3, 2009
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Dude, the whole conversation is a generalization. The whole iPhone vs Droid, mac vs Windows conversation is a giant generalization. Don't you realize that? What you like doesn't have to be what others like, and vice versa. That's what makes everything good...
 
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rawlus

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Well for starters, the majority of iPhone users don't have any Mac computers.
Sure, so iPhone perhaps spans more than Mac users... What % of Mac users do you think prefer droids?

I'm only arguing that a company that makes hardware and software across the computing continuum from desktop to laptop to tablet to mobile... its a different thing than running Windows on a dell laptop with a Samsung phone running android and a Roku or Amazon firestick home media system... One is designed to work together with a minimum of fuss and one is not designed to go together but may have appeal to the tinkerer or people who either don't like Apple for whatever reason or whatever. It's not a who's best, it's what's best for you....
 

jeffe

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From my perspective, if you like Windows, you defend android. If you se Mac, it just makes sense to use iPhone.

Most Mac users in my experience, aren't wrapped up in tuning, customizing, tweaking, skinning, booting, etc... They see these devices largely as a means to an end....

Android has its fans and its target audience, which is fine. I'm not interested, I have not looked at Windows or android as a solution in more than a decade.. I'm just not interested in playing with the OS. My Apple devices operate more like appliances than computers... I don't have to deal with drivers and all that, I don't have to pay for licenses when they update (this is a big bonus over time as I remember the cost of office, windows updates, etc) and I don't have to deal with hardware issues, drivers, incompatibilities, firmware, etc.

For some they enjoy that level of immersion in the guts of their devices. I'm not. I use these devices to make a living and the last thing I want to be dealing with is a problem with the hardware or software becaus that's time I'm not making money or being efficient.

The customization possibilities of android hold no interest to me whatsoever. If anything, it is a detractor.

People who like android are free to continue to use it. This is why we have choices. The debate over who is better is just so silly.

I use Android without any tuning, tweaking, skinning, etc... The only real customization I've made is selecting my default apps, selecting my ring and notification tones, choosing a wallpaper and selecting the apps I want on my home screen. Other than those things, I probably run my device no different than an iOS user would. I honestly don't think the average Android user are wrapped up in the things that you mentioned.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Boston, MA
No, it's a problem with faulty batteries manufactured by Samsung SDI. They'll blow up just the same regardless of the cable you use.

What comes to actual reasons, these things are making me go the Note 7 route:
  • Mobile payments. I've lost all faith in Apple Pay ever making it to Finland while my bank has a nice app that does also mobile payments on Android.
  • NFC. In addition to actual payments, there are useful NFC apps I use on my Nexus 5X while the NFC chip in my 6s continues to sit useless at the mercy of Apple. At this point I have zero confidence in ever getting a chance to use the functionality in my 6s, let alone my Apple Watch.
  • Voice control. Siri is unfortunately still a sad joke and while I was hoping that the API would solve at least some of its shortcomings, Apple decided to rule out media apps from the API, so I still won't be able to voice control my music and podcasts without changing the apps I use for them to the Apple variants.
  • The ever-raising Euro prices. 850€ for the Note 7 seems expensive at the first glance, but now when the iPhone 7 prices have been revealed it's starting to feel like a budget phone with the iPhone 7 getting yet another price hike over here. Even though I'll be getting my Note 7 for free (it'll count as in income in my taxation, though) as I won one in a promotion, I could be going for the Note 7 for the simple reason that iPhones have become ridiculously overpriced here especially when considering that we don't get the full feature set.
  • Headphone jack. While I own two different Bluetooth headsets I'm happy with, I still run into occasions where I'd need to connect my phone to a sound system that not-so-surprisingly uses a 3.5mm jack. As the adapter wouldn't be needed regularly, it's all too likely that I won't have it with me when I'd actually need it at a band practise or a party.
If and when I go with the Note 7, the thing I'll miss the most will be my Apple Watch. Too bad it can't be like Android Wear that can pair also with iOS devices albeit with a limited functionality compared to pairing with an Android.
The gear 3 looks pretty sexy too IMO. Perfect pairing if it lives up to the promises.
 

First Post G

macrumors 6502
Mar 22, 2011
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Re-read what I said. It is a fact that demonstrates that high end smart phone purchasers prefer iPhone. That's all. In no way does it have an effect on my purchasing decision, as you suggested.

Why does this thread even exist? 1. This is an iPhone forum, so Android trolls sitting around here are pathetic. 2. Nobody can or will buy a Note 7 right now for obvious reasons. Can't believe I got drawn in to this nonsense.

EDIT: I retract part of this, as I see it has properly been moved out of the iPhone forum.
 
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Michael Goff

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Don't know why that is a good thing for us. It just means they are overcharging you for their stuff and making a killing while other brands are more reasonable. Don't think id brag about getting screwed for an inferior product.

Overcharging is a value proposition and value is subjective.
 

Dammit Cubs

macrumors 68020
Jul 31, 2007
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Can you guys stop saying LOCKED ECOSYSTEM for ****'s sake? The damn iPhone 7 comes with an adaptor so you can use wired headphones forever.

Its completely a locked eco system. That's their model.

Why wouldn't they. For most people, they will force their electronics on contour towards the lighting port connector. while Apple has added an adapter, over time this will be removed.

The watch can only be used with the iphone.
Apple pay can only be used on the iphone, and the watch can't even connect to an ipad.
Your investment into all 3 products makes you stray from changing anything and this in-turn makes you stay with the company.

It's how they keep you around.
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Most of those reasons I agree with, and reasons why I still use my 6+, iPad's, and other apple products. I like tech... so I buy other brands and enjoy them just as much. Yes, I went to the dark side with the S7 Edge... and I admit that iOS is smoother... which is why I still use my 6+ when I'm in the mood. My S7 Edge isn't as smooth, but it doesn't suck to where it isn't usable. I use the same apps as on my 6+, and all the apps work just as well. However, I'm getting really good Battery life on my S7 Edge... which is why it's my daily driver at the moment.

I just took screenshots (below)... Over 17.5 hours on battery...off the charger since 6am to 11:30pm isn't bad... and I was using it pretty heavily today... I never turn on wifi... used over 5.4gb of data today streaming videos, music, email, texting, browsing, calling... and still have 21% battery left. This is pretty consistent since I bought it.

I've had every non-s iPhone since the 1st gen... so intend to go back to the iPhone again... but not this round. S7 Edge feels like an upgrade already to me. The iPhone 7/7+ is missing the one thing that I'm enjoying on my S7 Edge... fast wireless charging. Hopefully the next iPhone will have this feature... it would be nice to have the option to wireless charge while using the lighting port for aux out or wired headphones.

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It's past 12:30 am now... and my S7E is now 18.5 hrs off the charger with 19% battery left... For as much as I used my S7E today... doubt my 6+ would last that long.

That's because the screen is the biggest battery drainer on a phone.
So basically the components of the SE are made exactly like the 6s but in a smaller package.
If the pattern is the same as the 6 but the screen is smaller.

Well you can do the math...
 

pixel_junkie

macrumors 6502
Oct 31, 2015
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To me the main reason iOS is as popular as it is is because it is a no brainer. Simple, safe, polished. It's OS that does not change much each year which most people prefer, doesn't require much thought to navigate and figure out. And then you add Apple's masterful marketing abilities (some of the best in the industry) and excellent hardware and there you have it.

On the other hand, Android on the surface isn't as polished as IOS and requires some effort to learn its true capabilities to really appreciate how robust it can be. Most people either don't have the time or become intimidated. It really requires a certain level of geekyness to get the most out of it. Hardware is also not as polished although certain features like the camera (very sorry but thats a huge fact) like the camera put the iPhone to shame.

And that's that. On the surface - iOS is the clear choice for most. Everything works as intended reliably, safe and in a nicely designed package. For the few of us who went a bit deeper into each OS, Android has something extra.

Either way you go, you win. But don't be a fool and automatically exclude your options. Keep and open mind, certain things are worth looking into.

And for those who called me Android fanboy - I own a monster iMac at work, monster iMac at home and a MacBook Pro on which I'm typing this right now. Love Mac OS, iOS is another story.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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Sure, so iPhone perhaps spans more than Mac users... What % of Mac users do you think prefer droids?

I'm only arguing that a company that makes hardware and software across the computing continuum from desktop to laptop to tablet to mobile... its a different thing than running Windows on a dell laptop with a Samsung phone running android and a Roku or Amazon firestick home media system... One is designed to work together with a minimum of fuss and one is not designed to go together but may have appeal to the tinkerer or people who either don't like Apple for whatever reason or whatever. It's not a who's best, it's what's best for you....

I don't need to tinker to cast and mirror my Android device to damn near any streaming device.
I don't need to tinker to sync multiple Google accounts simultaneously and toggle accounts within services/apps.
I don't need to tinker to use other app stores like Amazon and Galaxy store(for Samsung phones).
I don't need to tinker to bluetooth transfer photos and files to damn near any device.
I don't need to tinker to utilize OTG.
I don't need to tinker to create custom ringtones.
I don't need to tinker to set default apps.
I don't need to tinker to print to non Airprint enabled printers.
I don't need to tinker to restrict apps from using data in the background.
I don't need to tinker to download large updates, certain apps, or stream from certain apps without wifi.

I can seriously go on and on and on, and what I listed are just the simple things. So I just don't get the whole stereotype of Android being a tinkering device by default. But those that choose to tinker, have the choice to.
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And for those who called me Android fanboy - I own a monster iMac at work, monster iMac at home and a MacBook Pro on which I'm typing this right now. Love Mac OS, iOS is another story.

I use OSX much more than I do Windows, I like Android more than iOS. But I find that I can't live without any of them for legit specific reasons.
 

First Post G

macrumors 6502
Mar 22, 2011
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The iPhone 7+ is more money than the Note 7 and iPhones have also caught fire before. I could post hundred of pics so don't act like they haven't.

Hey bud, sorry to burst your entire bubble here, but both statements are wrong. My 7+ with 128 gigs is $869 and the note 7 is over $900 with half the memory. And no iPhone has ever need to be recalled or banned by the FAA from flights due to exploding batteries. Sorry to embarrass you publicly like this.
 
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phoneme

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Hey bud, sorry to burst your entire bubble here, but both statements are wrong. My 7+ with 128 gigs is $869 and the note 7 is over $900 with half the memory. And no iPhone has ever need to be recalled or banned by the FAA from flights due to exploding batteries. Sorry to embarrass you publicly like this.
he never said they were recalled he said iphones have cought fire also.
and note7 with free memory upgrade you get from sammy means the note7 has 320gb of memory which i do believe is more than 256 which the current iphone has.
 

Michael Goff

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he never said they were recalled he said iphones have cought fire also.
and note7 with free memory upgrade you get from sammy means the note7 has 320gb of memory which i do believe is more than 256 which the current iphone has.

How do you get this free memory upgrade?
 

First Post G

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Mar 22, 2011
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Is that what they need to do to get buyers these days. iPhone fires aren't real, Notes are. So I was correct, the iPhone is cheaper for more memory (outside of coupling by Samsung because they can't find people who want their phones)? Thanks for confirming my point.

All I'm getting out of this is Android fanboys aren't very smart.
 
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phoneme

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Is that what they need to do to get buyers these days. iPhone fires aren't real, Notes are. So I was correct, the iPhone is cheaper for more memory (outside of coupling by Samsung because they can't find people who want their phones)? Thanks for confirming my point.

All I'm getting out of this is Android fanboys aren't very smart.
wow your really stretching things aren't you. a free memory upgrade equals they can find buyers. really your going to go there? you don't wanna go there.
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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wow your really stretching things aren't you. a free memory upgrade equals they can find buyers. really your going to go there? you don't wanna go there.

If Apple gave anything of an upgrade incentive with their products, this place would be in heaven but instead he brags of their profit margins LMAO. Who did he say wasnt very smart?:oops:
 

phoneme

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Sep 27, 2015
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ok so your logic is that samsung can't sell phones without giving away free memory. hell apple gives away more free phones than anyone. if i was to use your logic that would mean apple has a problem selling phones to the point they have to give them away. but of course i know that is not true. but using your logic that is what you would probably see.
sorry man your beyond help.
 
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