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The cost of the phone also went up as well. 5G, all OLED, and the new expensive ion glass process have likely all increased the cost of the phones over the previous models. People keep overlooking this. Apple more than likely made a decision to remove the cost of the bricks to account for price increase of the features. Samsung just increased the price of their 5G phones outright.
iPhones get better every year with newer, improved, and additional technology in them, yet accessories didn't need to be removed before to somehow "make up" for it. Apple also decided to provide the reasoning for it all during their event, and according to them that wasn't what was behind it.
 
I owned the XR and the 11 and I never touched the earpods, charger, or cord. Not everyone is like that, but for some people it really makes no difference.
 
The standard adapted they used to include is rubbish since the phones started supporting fast charging anyway. I’ve not used the Apple one in years.
 
That's fine if 1. you already have wireless charger and 2. you don't mind waiting an eternity for your phone to charge.

That is the dumbest defense for not including a charger. Whether I agree with it or not, saying because you already pay so much much for a device does not mean you should have to pay more just to get it to work out of the box. That's almost the equivalent of buying a car without a way of putting fuel in it.

You mean like an electric car??

A car that does not include, you guessed it, a charger. You have to pay extra to rent the charger from the manufacturer. Same with the battery itself in some cases.
 
You mean like an electric car??

A car that does not include, you guessed it, a charger. You have to pay extra to rent the charger from the manufacturer. Same with the battery itself in some cases.
If that was pretty much always the practice in general that would be one thing, but if for years that was what was just normally part of the purchase and then was just suddenly removed and the charging cable was changed as well, that would be something different.
 
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I cut off the non lightening end and attach it to a bank of potato batteries I learned to make from Bill Nye the science guy. Go GREEN! 🤣

I don’t think I care. I have a stack of white stickers I’ll never use. My daughter did put one on her Chromebook. 5 or so earbuds. And we have a bin with about 10 adapters we give to guests to take when they ask to borrow a charger.
 
Read countless posts on here and Reddit from people defending Apple's potential move of not including the power adapter with the 2020 iPhones because they had plenty of them lying around at home already. And yet not a word from anyone now that we know the new iPhones will ship with a USB-C Lightning cable that is incompatible with all previously included iPhone power adapters (except iPhone 11 Pro and Max).
What is stopping me from using my lightning to USB A with 12W iPad adapter?
 
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You mean like an electric car??

A car that does not include, you guessed it, a charger. You have to pay extra to rent the charger from the manufacturer. Same with the battery itself in some cases.
That’s brilliant for Apple One, where you have to subscribe to be able to charge your iPhone. Great idea, you should email Tim Cook about it. :D
 
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That kind of logic works the other way around, and with additional history to support it it works even better -- if Apple has been including all these accessories all along for the price of the iPhone for so many years then what is it to them to still do that (or, alternatively not have the consumer eat up the cost if they decided not to do it)?
Or if Apple actually is concerned for the environment and how they’ve been shipping so many chargers and EarPods, they should open up a program where customers can bring theirs for a store credit. That would generate a much better PR than this obvious greed attempt.
 
Read countless posts on here and Reddit from people defending Apple's potential move of not including the power adapter with the 2020 iPhones because they had plenty of them lying around at home already. And yet not a word from anyone now that we know the new iPhones will ship with a USB-C Lightning cable that is incompatible with all previously included iPhone power adapters (except iPhone 11 Pro and Max).

But guess what aside from all those unused adapters we also all have unused cables that work just fine with the iPhone 12.
 
iPhones get better every year with newer, improved, and additional technology in them, yet accessories didn't need to be removed before to somehow "make up" for it. Apple also decided to provide the reasoning for it all during their event, and according to them that wasn't what was behind it.

5G is for Apple the most costly improved technology they've added in the last couple of years. Those 5G modems are even for Apple exorbitantly expensive plus needs a whole redesign of the antenna system. Don't underestimate just how expensive 5G is to implement at the moment for manufacturers. So Apple being the only manufacturer not raising their prices for 5G is a good thing.

And Apple not saying it's largely money doesn't mean that the reasoning isn't large money, though it ties in nicely with the environment especially the smaller packaging is a win/win situation for Apple and for the environment.
 
The move is smart for Apple. Not the consumer. Chargers and EarPods removed but price of phone went up. I’m all for saving the environment too but don’t pretend you’re only doing it for that while raising the cost of entry.

Also where are the threads on this forum, before actual rumors came out, complaining that apple should remove these chargers? Like I said, people love to defend Apple even if they don’t own Apple stocks and willingly defend paying more for less.

Is there some law which states that the next iphone cannot cost any more than the current one?

If it costs more to design and manufacture, it can and should cost more. Just take it that removing the accessories and the lower freight costs help offset the higher price tag. Not enough to keep it at the same price, but every bit helps.
 
I looked and I realized I don’t have any USB C chargers. Everything I have has the regular USB end. When I bought my SE2020 it came with the brick with the regular end.
My wife’s FitBit has the regular end that goes into the brick. My Bluetooth speaker does, the list goes on.

Ok? Don’t get how that relates to what I just said but you’re not disagreeing or agreeing. I stated you already have a brick and cable if you had a previous iPhone to use to charge this phone be it your older phones cable and brick.
 
1. If I sell my device or hand it down, I include the power adapter and cable.

2. My work has a 5W USB-A adapter. It no longer works with the USB-C/Lightning cable included with iPhone 12.

So 1) go buy one. 2) go buy one. 3) go buy one. 4) $20 isn’t going to break your wallet. 5) if it did you wouldn’t be buying an iPhone.
 
To your #1, with the iPhone 12/Pro, why would theoretically include a power adapter when you sell it now that it is not included? Also, are you telling me that you have never bought alternative ways to charge your phone until now?

To your #2, you only have the lightning cables that are included with the iPhone and you literally travel everywhere with that one cable and sell that one cable with the device when you sell or hand it down? I know from previous experience with using ligthning cables since my iPhone 5, I've had cables in my cars until I switched to a Qi Mount/charger in my car. I've also had cables at both work and at home. I can plug my phone in by my couch if I need to, I have a Qi charger by the bed and also have a lightning cable there to charge my iPad.

I have at least 4-7 cables. Two came from my beats products and another with my AirPods Pro. Plus the ones with my iPhone 11 Pro so that’s 4 alone right there. Bought a few longer ones so
 
So people really used those included chargers? I may have used those standard bricks once or twice in a cycle of ownership. Pre-COVID, I traveled so much for work that I needed multi-port, multi-type bricks. Then I bought a wireless charger just for travel. I have 4 bricks now plus a couple of USB-C wall outlets as well.

I guess if you hand down devices regularly, maybe, but this isn’t a point to be upset over for me.

I do but that is because the iPhone 11 Pro came with a USB type C charger. I actually took my same one from my iPad Pro and gave it to a friend.
 
That's fine if 1. you already have wireless charger and 2. you don't mind waiting an eternity for your phone to charge.

That is the dumbest defense for not including a charger. Whether I agree with it or not, saying because you already pay so much much for a device does not mean you should have to pay more just to get it to work out of the box. That's almost the equivalent of buying a car without a way of putting fuel in it.

What eternity? I used to charge my phone wireless and always charged fast enough to not argue even if I slept for 3 hours. Not scientific but my own experience when I usually only charge my phone overnight when I go to bed. Always 100%
 
Why should I leave the buyer or second hand user of my iPhone 11 high and dry? If I sell or give away my iPhone 11, I include everything that came with it. You'll notice virtually all Craigstlist sellers show the complete box of the iPhone they're selling.



Given the iPhone has such great battery life, I don't often need to charge it out of the house.

1) because by now everybody has a brick and cable by now unless you’re a person who just got out of Cyro freeze and last time was 2007? The only people this really hurts are Android users who have never owned an iOS device and their previous devices have USB type A bricks.

2) you can’t argue against 1 because for most people nobody just owns one cable. Apple is notorious making shotty cables tho their USB type c cable has lasted me a year so far.
 
With their logic, then they should demand Apple to not include chargers with all MacBooks either. I mean they should have plenty lying around.

That logic works because everybody has a phone. With enough iOS penetration it works out. MacBooks not so much
 
5G is for Apple the most costly improved technology they've added in the last couple of years. Those 5G modems are even for Apple exorbitantly expensive plus needs a whole redesign of the antenna system. Don't underestimate just how expensive 5G is to implement at the moment for manufacturers. So Apple being the only manufacturer not raising their prices for 5G is a good thing.

And Apple not saying it's largely money doesn't mean that the reasoning isn't large money, though it ties in nicely with the environment especially the smaller packaging is a win/win situation for Apple and for the environment.
By the same logic 4G/LTE was similarly a big thing for Apple in that respect, yet when iPhone models supporting that came out accessories weren't removed.

And sure, it's a win for Apple, and perhaps some sort of a positive for the environment, but basically at the cost of the consumer -- it's kind of easy to do something if the burden of doing it is shifted on someone else (and in the process you even end up profiteering from it on top of it all).
 
Or if Apple actually is concerned for the environment and how they’ve been shipping so many chargers and EarPods, they should open up a program where customers can bring theirs for a store credit. That would generate a much better PR than this obvious greed attempt.
Apple will already accept and recycle stuff for you for free, at least in the UK.
 
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So 1) go buy one. 2) go buy one. 3) go buy one. 4) $20 isn’t going to break your wallet. 5) if it did you wouldn’t be buying an iPhone.
By that logic it certainly doesn't break Apple's wallet to include what they always included with the purchase of the iPhone.
 
By that logic it certainly doesn't break Apple's wallet to include what they always included with the purchase of the iPhone.

Even if the brick costs $0.50 cents to produce that’s $500,000 in cost if you made 1 million iPhone 12 variants. If you didn’t make 1 million bricks. Now add in labor surely it costs probably $1 to produce. ( if it’s automated then costs is electricity which is the same as labor in terms of cost). Sure won’t break their bank but apples core business is to make money for their shareholders.
 
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