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Would you go back to Mavericks?

  • Yes

    Votes: 62 45.6%
  • No

    Votes: 74 54.4%

  • Total voters
    136

darkmatter343

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A few years back I tried going back to Mavericks because I also didn't really care for the flat style, and much preferred the old OSX look and feel. I didn't stay on Mavericks long because I realized all the new features I was missing out on from the newer releases. Now, after years of using the flat style, I don't think I could go back to Mavericks. The flat style has really grown on me, and besides if you went back to Mavericks now you're really putting yourself at risk since no Security updates are being released for it.
That said, my favorite is High Sierra.
 

Ifitaintbrokedontfixit

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if you went back to Mavericks now you're really putting yourself at risk since no Security updates are being released for it.

If one doesn't know anything about security, going back to (or staying with) Mavericks isn't a good idea, but if one is aware of the vulnerabilities and avoids them then Mavericks is no more risky than High Sierra.
 

Tozovac

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As the OP’s motivation seemed to be based upon dislike of the flat/simplified appearance first and foremost, it would be interesting to see how many would prefer an OS X look closer to Mavericks but with upgraded functionality added to later OS Xs. They truly are two separate things but forcibly bundled together.
 

StellarVixen

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Old Aqua Mac GUI would be somewhat inconsistent with the rest of the Web. Whatever page you visit lately, it follow this new fad where things are more "flatter". To me, at least, this contrast is not very pleasant to see.

I remember how it was while I was running Mavericks, with Snow Leopard theme. Everything looked nice, as long as I wasn't browsing the Web.

Also, go the App Store, and take a look at the apps. Almost all of them follow the same design principles: minimalism. But, this might be less of a problem, because developers can adapt their apps to new system GUI. The web, however, will not care to change just because one OS with single digit market share changed its GUI.
 

Snowlover

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I wouldn't say fire him as some part of Steve lives on in what Ive designs. It's just not constrained by being told No. Where OS X, err macOS, is failing is that every release adds bloat to the window manager. That you need 8GB to used High Sierra where Win 10 can run comfortably in 2GB is truly embarrassing. You'd think they would fix it at Apple but it is just a very sad waste if you run and older version of the OS on the same hardware then it flies. Win 10 is also much faster in operation. It makes me sad.
[doublepost=1543450451][/doublepost]This exactly why I went back to Mavericks.
I actually first went back to Snow Leopard on an old 2007 mini with 2gb ram that I rescued from a friend and loved it. Snappier on that old mini than any of the newer macos versions on my 2011 mini with 4gb and sshd. If only there was an up to date browser for it.
Feeling screwed by Apple that my 2011 couldn't update past high sierra and was less responsive than the 2007 on SL, I sold it .
Replaced it with a $110 2009 mini with ssd and 4 gb ram running El Capitan.
Downgraded it to Mavericks -way more responsive- and am a happy camper. No apps that I want or need that I can't run on it.

As far as security goes, I have both these machines dual booted with elementary os Juno, which I use for online banking.
Juno is a nice mac like Linux distro that runs well on these machines, but I still prefer Snow Leopard and Mavericks.
 

AnonMac50

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I was on Mavericks for a few days for fun not too long ago, I’ve been enjoying it a lot. Would definitely prefer that look. Too bad it’s too incompatible with some software I depend on. If I had a choice of having a Mavericks looks on El post Yosemite I wouldn’t mind.
 
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Tozovac

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Ugh. This just plain sucks. Time to learn how to fix the appearance of certain dumbed-down-looking High Sierra UIx elements that drive me bonkers and make me not want to use my MBA.



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brdeveloper

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Mojave worths the upgrade. However, compatibility is the only issue for me currently.

The worst thing is that even Apple hardware isn't fully supported by Mojave, e.g., built-in Nvidia cards, not to mention older audio interfaces, scanners, and so on. I have dual-booting with Mojave and Mavericks on my Macbook Pro.
 
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maverick28

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Funny, because the old OS X look (graphite Dock with clearly defined app activity indicators) in Lion was the main reason I downgraded from Mavericks in the beginning of 2015 (as of now I skipped 5 OS X's counting from Mavericks) and my machine up to this day has still been eligible for upgrades to the newest OS X. Also, Lion was the default OS. I had stock abysmal Apple HDD (mechanical) and RAM (4GB) in a "Pro" laptop. I found Lion worth this sacrifice because its performance was better by order of magnitude and Mavericks felt very painful and demanded too much from the hardware I had, it had a few very nasty quirks that I couldn't stand. I upgraded to Mavericks just after a week of owning my MBP so I even had no opportunity to learn Lion better and jumped a bandwagon as did others.

At first I missed some features such as Notification Center and those removed in Mavericks (RSS in Mail and Safari, Bonjour) had me wondering what it would be like to use them, also I found no Messages but iChat, however since I wasn't using Messages and didn't depend on them it wasn't a loss for me anyway. The rest of functionality was the same: iLife, iWork, accounts, connectivity, networking making it a close sibling to Mavericks. Some missed features were offered by 3rd party apps and soon I didn't have any lack of those: in fact UX provided by 3rd parties felt a lot better than that by Apple. Growl is better than any version of Notification Center. Integration with social networks isn't about productivity at all and there're dedicated apps that boast more functionality. BTW, a field that has had most gain for the last 5-6 years was not productivity but "sharing", outshining such gems as implementation of Metal technology that only geeks and devs could feel deeper appreciation but it's empty words for majority of users.
Likewise, iLife'09 and iWork'09 made me not regret my departure from Mavericks although I knew they were compatible. Google Maps still worked with iPhoto and Aperture and was outstandingly better. However that was about to come to the end as Google stopped providing its Mapping services to Apple apps in mid of 2015 (I got out by using HoudahGeo and GoogleEarth Pro) and integration between QT Player, Aperture and iPhoto and Facebook effectively ceased in the end of 2017 leaving me on the ice. I still could use Safari 5.1.7 in 2015 however from 2016 I looked for alternatives before settling down with Waterfox. Now I discovered Firefox Legacy, a port of Firefox Quantum to Lion and Mountain Lion, and this is a killer browser in terms of productivity and speed which is fantastic. I was disappointed by Safari 6 for Lion because it was utter trash both visually and functionally but I still missed the native experience it offered (Auto-correction, Keychain services) and no 3rd party browser fit my requirements.

I could put up with bugs of Lion because I loved how simple to use and beautiful esthetically it was as it bore Steve's footprints. I could run server, CardDAV, WebDAV etc services just wonderfully and really to this day I had no other incentive to upgrade than regaining much talked-about "sharing" and Apple Maps. Frankly, I could use it till I'm dead, it satisfied my needs ~90 percent. Security, as blasphemous it sounds, was never my top priority because I never in my life encountered dangerous situations even browsing unsafe sites. I think that getting better security is just a marketing trick to lure users into upgrading their systems and is greatly overstated by both vendors and security specialists - they need to find threats to defeat them or invent and gave them life. At best you're living in an illusion of security. Lion was my learning war-horse: it made me learn a lot about OS X workings, AppleScript, CLI, iMovie, FCPX etc.

At long last I maxed out my Mac, connected another SSD as an external bootable drive and added Mavericks and HighSierra just couple of days ago: going back after 4 years to Mavericks was like going back to a brief acquaintance you made a long time ago. It feels both modern and retro - the combination driving me crazy: I'm fully satisfied with it - Apple Maps being the gain No1 because of apps that use geocoding, it has more 3rd apps that support it. Now that I run it from SSD and with 16 GB RAM I see that hardware matters definitely for Mavericks (on a weaker hardware the system kills many jobs all too often - hence its cursed sluggishness and instability).

Not that it made drastic difference overall to my UX but in some sensitive areas like mentioned above it certainly did. Its Dock is a sign of decline in design (seriously whoever thought that replacing graphite with shining metal and active indicator spots with tiny bars lost his mind overnight) however the rest is as polished and consistent as you'd expect from OS X and shares most of similarity with Lion. I especially liked how they changed the font appearing in QuickLook. The greatest delight is that I still can use iWork'09 I even didn't download iWork'13 - don't need that junk taking the space. I downloaded new iMovie, GarageBand and, of course, iPhoto. Most of the apps I used with Lion work here too, I updated those that don't.

So why go forward? Well, just in case. I never ever had desire to upgrade to one of those flat crazy masterpieces but I did that installing HighSierra on a partition of the external SSD. What can I say? Yes, I noticed it's snappier (and this is 6 y.o. machine), feels like new. That's all to it. The first moment I saw this creature on my screen it was even worse than in an Apple Store on Retinas. Skeuomorphism is a go-to design for 1400x900 px screens - imagine how gorgeous it would be on Retina! Alas, Retina is wasted on such abomination of good style as this pots-Yosemite atrociousness. However when I look at this new and supported, super-duper-secure OS I feel headache, boredom and weakness of mind and the body being inflicted on me. I can't imagine myself spending 100% my computing time in it. It's like spending the whole day in a contemporary art museum, staring at glass and bare concrete in every shade of gray (the detention cell from "1984" by Orwell comes to mind first of all). I see sharper pixelation and granularity of graphics than in Mavericks&Lion and that's bad, washed out grey texture of the application bar. I don't care how advanced it is - as I said even Lion would be enough, Mavericks is welcome overkill. But this... You know there's nothing to HS, Mojave in its own right for the end user (Metal is great for reverence on part of nerds and eGPU is cool features for like 10% just like TouchBar and HomePod). The look is what matters and the functionality goes after it. More to that: look is functionality and vice versa: you see, you make decision, you do. Always was. Always will. So will I: I made 3 partitions across 2 drives and running Lion, Mavericks and HS concurrently, most of them time it's the former two, of course. HS is for working in FCPX.

To the original question by OP: no, you're not the only one. I assure you that in reality very many people would dream of skeuomorphism and old UX to make its triumphant return, it's just fake media and various pundits on Twitter declaring triteness the Art. But to Tim, Johny and their shills the flat UI is the pinnacle of design and usability combined with restrictiveness that is called "security and simplicity" in their jargon.

P.S. BTW, how do you like the "simplicity" that iTunes 12 is? It gradually evolved into like an appendage to push Apple Music down your throat. Apple Music is a gateway to the greater control over what you listen and watch via iOS - the only creation they care, not user experience. So more Apple Music - more iOS ("simplicity and security")
 
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saltyboat

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i am also on macos mavericks i have just upgraded from macOS snow lepord and i am allready in love with the os compaired to the simplistic 2d design that apple went with on the mac
 
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maverick28

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I'm using Mavericks as my daily driver along with my default Lion on MacBookPro (see my signature, running those side by side). It's still a very robust OS that I appreciate and love. I want to preserve these 2 for historical reasons and also because some things play better on older systems, including graphics performance that frankly Metal does both ways: e.g. High Sierra in some cases feels faster but it introduced jittering and lagging that weren't present even in a buggy Lion.
Besides, the performance gain on older supported Macs comparing that with Mavericks - the only non default OS I was using prior to adding High Sierra to the cohort - is not that significant or game changing. Some big and small decisions in my opinion didn't do justice at all (such as Desktop thumbnails in Mission Control, hidden until the window is dragged on the target Desktop "label", Safari - unable to create link shortcuts on Dock, unable to install 3rd party extensions - outrageous move on Apple's part, butchered iTunes, eviscerated by removing App Store browser so that you no longer in power to manage your iOS apps, not mentioning the horrible iTunes 12 itself, come to my mind right off the cuff). I use High Sierra only for FCPX and most of my workflows draw its power from old apps that either suffer in a newer environment, have long been unsupported or provide no benefits using them in a newer macOS. Regarding productivity and creativity apps I'm still totally involved with iWork09 & iLife09 and Aperture. Even on High Sierra I don't use their bogus Photos app preferring the corresponding version of iPhoto 09 available for this OS. I use Photos only if I need to share to Facebook which still works in HS.

The only quirk that annoyed me in Mavericks is buggy annotations and Inspector in Preview which was the reason for me to move to Foxit Reader.
 
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Tozovac

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I am still on Mavericks. And it will remain so as I like its looks and hate the simplistic, infantile, flat design.
I've been on sierra for a while, forced to do so when Mavericks was not letting me use Dropbox and a few other browsers.

Had to fire up my 2006 mac pro today with OSX 10.7.5

Good God how polished and professional OSX used to look. I'm saddened by being reminded how Fisher Price My First OSX that Sierra resembles. When will polished, smart design return?
 

AnonMac50

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I created a new partition on my 2013 MacBook Pro, and installed Mavericks again. I was surprised at how fast it was, and how amazing the battery life was. I am now going through my old Time Machine backups, I think I might restore one from the time I last used Mavericks on that computer!
 

Princess Cake

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You kids need to get it out of your heads that you need to be using the latest Apple software to enjoy your computer experience. I "downgraded" back to Snow Leopard last year and have been using it as my everyday system, I haven't had a single complaint and get to experience the smooth as silk UI.

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Tozovac

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As the saying goes, it’s the little things. With Spaces, or the multiple desktops, whatever it’s called, it used to be that enabling Spaces showed representations of the actual desktops up top so you could quickly, almost subconsciously, get to where you wanted. After Mavericks, showing the Spaces results in seeing gray/white blobs where you don’t have to do another action just to see what each one looks like. Just like iOS 7 and after — more actions to do what used to take one action.

It’s those little things that make ios/OS X worse than before in many ways.
 

AnonMac50

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You kids need to get it out of your heads that you need to be using the latest Apple software to enjoy your computer experience. I "downgraded" back to Snow Leopard last year and have been using it as my everyday system, I haven't had a single complaint and get to experience the smooth as silk UI.

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How do you deal with using the Internet on Snow Leopard?
 

Traverse

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Old thread - but I was listening to the Connected podcast and Mavericks came up briefly, and I was remembered about how much I miss that OS. It was a solid release that focused on speed and stability (which is my favorite) and was rock solid for me.

I personally loved the slightly more "vibrant" OS. I thought Mavericks struck a good balance by ditching the excessive Skeuomorphism, but striking a nice balance. It was a very uncontroversial and stable release.
 
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kissmo

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Old thread - but I was listening to the Connected podcast and Mavericks came up briefly, and I was remembered about how much I miss that OS. It was a solid release that focused on speed and stability (which is my favorite) and was rock solid for me.

I personally loved the slightly more "vibrant" OS. I thought Mavericks struck a good balance by ditching the excessive Skeuomorphism, but striking a nice balance. It was a very uncontroversial and stable release.

I miss it too... To be honest Mac OS and Mac itself was at its peak during Mavericks and Snow Leopard.
These are the 2 points in Apple’s history on their Mac line which left good memories for me.

More or less, with Ive leaving I fear Apple will lag slowly behind. It’s still my first choice but Steve and Ive’s absence starts to display a different company.

Obviously I sound like a technological grandpa, I am aware of it. :)
 

Tozovac

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I miss it too... To be honest Mac OS and Mac itself was at its peak during Mavericks and Snow Leopard.

I hear you. Would you be willing to list a few big-picture general description examples of what you noticed/liked then and what you notice and dislike now? Or even specific examples.
 

kissmo

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I hear you. Would you be willing to list a few big-picture general description examples of what you noticed/liked then and what you notice and dislike now? Or even specific examples.

Of course.
Please note that I do not dislike anything now. I never said it’s bad taste or complained. I am being just nostalgic.

Nevertheless this is what I personally liked:

Snow Leopard
Loved the windows layout (size and color scheme, border thickness)
I loved the 3D Dock
Overall color scheme used
Icons
Boot time was amazing for me in SL
Font used in the GUI - I found it more readable
Overall: GUI was more clear to me (hard to describe this - I mean the contours of windows, overall spotting of buttons and icons etc...)

Mavericks + SL
I felt the whole OS was a little more responsive (I mean there were less animation time probably)
I used and loved the dashboard a lot in both. (It was a pity the widgets never caught up though.


I do like the dark mode - I must admit, but somehow my eyes do strain a bit more in the newest OS. I doubt dark mode would have looked great in SL for example.

That’s pretty much it. I would love to have a skin of SL in Catalina :) as an option, I would enable it :)m
 

Tozovac

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[QUOTE="kissmo, post: 27668749, member: 589642”]
Loved the windows layout (size and color scheme, border thickness)

Font used in the GUI - I found it more readable
Overall: GUI was more clear to me (hard to describe this - I mean the contours of windows, overall spotting of buttons and icons etc...)

[/QUOTE]

Thanks, those parallel my thoughts about preferring certain interface details that lended themselves towards “better use,” for sake of stating it as simple as possible.

[QUOTE="kissmo, post: 27668749, member: 589642”]
Mavericks + SL
I felt the whole OS was a little more responsive (I mean there were less animation time probably)
[/QUOTE]

Wouldn’t it be interesting if actual responsiveness time then was the same or even longer than now, where perhaps an overall sense of preferring certain interface cues made things “easier to use” and then feel more responsive and quick as a result?
 
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