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Unklemac

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Fancy, but if it works, I'll take it for now.

You can run it on a second screen, even if its turned off. This is with Vega 56/64. Frontier/WX9100 doesn’t spin down with MacWorld, but does with H.264 video on pause in Quicktime (even behind fullscreen apps).

Its great, and the fans work... since they throttle up when you do GPU bench in Cinemabench R15.
 

MisterAndrew

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Does any H.264 video work for Frontier & WX 9100 or just that particular one you found?

Perhaps we can pinpoint what is causing the fans to spin down in these instances. Perhaps it's something with video encode/decode? I wonder what special content there is on that webpage that's affecting the Vega 56 & 64.
 

Unklemac

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Does any H.264 video work for Frontier & WX 9100 or just that particular one you found?

Perhaps we can pinpoint what is causing the fans to spin down in these instances. Perhaps it's something with video encode/decode? I wonder what special content there is on that webpage that's affecting the Vega 56 & 64.

Yeah, I wrote about this in another forum, but no one bites to take on the case.

This is one of my videoclips that works with WX9100 (10.13.3 + 10.13.4 beta 4).

Link to video clip (101mb) - 1080p H.264
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3jwbdkqvwvj71s3/test.mov?dl=0
 
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Unklemac

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Hmmm update on the silent fans department.

They also lower your GPU speed - since I get about 25% lower score in Geekbench with the website/movie.

Doh :)
 

AndreeOnline

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Yeah, I wrote about this in another forum, but no one bites to take on the case.

My bet is that you have something else going on with your setup.

I tried it out of curiosity but it does nothing on my system. Have you seen anyone else getting similar results to yours?
 
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Unklemac

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My bet is that you have something else going on with your setup.

I tried it out of curiosity but it does nothing on my system. Have you seen anyone else getting similar results to yours?

Guilty im maybe not running a normal mac.

But i made the test on 3 different systems z87, z370 and x299, 2 versions of high sierra 10.13.3 and 10.13.4 beta 4, using both vega 56 and wx9100... it never striked to fail. Either the link for macworld worked, or running videoclip in quicktime depending on which gpu i used.

I hoped this would reflect on Mac Pro’s too.. hopefully more can provide if it works or not...INCLUDING hardware specs.
 

itdk92

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My bet is that you have something else going on with your setup.

I tried it out of curiosity but it does nothing on my system. Have you seen anyone else getting similar results to yours?

Doesn't work for our VEGA 56 / 64 in our Macs either.

Neither for Mac Pro 5.1 nor for 6.1 as eGPU... :)
 

Unklemac

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Doesn't work for our VEGA 56 / 64 in our Macs either.

Neither for Mac Pro 5.1 nor for 6.1 as eGPU... :)

This makes me sad to hear. I gave hope, and can't fulfil.
It is a strange thing though, as performance decreases with the fans going low too (but does work correctly), so with this I guess your Mac's work as intended (no way of getting performance drop + silent fans).

Hopefully apple can still make it in Beta 5 or release of 10.13.4. Crossing fingers! :-/
 

MisterAndrew

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Oh, so you're not running these in a real Mac Pro. It's difficult to say how differently these cards would behave in a non-Mac compared to a real MP. I suppose it would just be a stroke of luck if the fan issue gets fixed for the MP since Apple doesn't officially support these cards installed in a MP.
[doublepost=1520543616][/doublepost]Just a remininder that this thread is for experiences with Vega GPUs installed in a real Mac Pro (or eGPU connected to a real Mac Pro).
 
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Unklemac

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[doublepost=1520543616][/doublepost]Just a remininder that this thread is for experiences with Vega GPUs installed in a real Mac Pro (or eGPU connected to a real Mac Pro).

Sorry for the confusion!

Here's hoping that Apple will support TB1 eGPU again and AMD cards internally.
 

h9826790

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It's something to do with the intel iGPU drivers. I get between 130-140fps in cinebench on my 8700k hackintosh. As soon as I try to get the igpu working along with vega 64, my fps drops to 60fps.

https://imgur.com/a/r8lb1
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Can't see the pic. may be some permission issue.
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theitsage

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There's an eGPU validation process in 10.13.4 to load the proper drivers. This was implemented as of beta 2 to block Thunderbolt 2 and older Macs from using external GPU feature. For example, when I connect the RX Vega eGPU to the nMP, the eGPU icon briefly shows up on the Top Menu bar then disappears. The RX Vega fan continues spinning until I physically disconnect the Thunderbolt cable or turn off the enclosure. When I do this, macOS warns me with a notification message to eject external GPU properly by using the eGPU icon.

In a Thunderbolt 3 Mac, the RX Vega eGPU gets recognized quickly and the eGPU icon stays on the Top Menu bar. The fan makes the "whoosh" sound once drivers are loaded then settle down to idle speed. This block may have something to do with the Vega fan behavior in the Mac Pro.
 

goMac

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There's an eGPU validation process in 10.13.4 to load the proper drivers. This was implemented as of beta 2 to block Thunderbolt 2 and older Macs from using external GPU feature. For example, when I connect the RX Vega eGPU to the nMP, the eGPU icon briefly shows up on the Top Menu bar then disappears. The RX Vega fan continues spinning until I physically disconnect the Thunderbolt cable or turn off the enclosure. When I do this, macOS warns me with a notification message to eject external GPU properly by using the eGPU icon.

I am pretty sure this is not a validation process, from poking around at the internals. But we'll see.

If this was a real validation process, you'd probably never see the icon at all. And there is a lot of handing off and driver transfer going on that can act differently on an older Mac.

A good test would be to use a Thunderbolt 3 -> 2 adapter on a current Mac and see if the results are the same.

Also remember if you're testing on a Mac with an internal Nvidia GPU that's definitely a problem regardless of Thunderbolt 2.

Locking up at boot time is also a pretty good sign that this isn't a validation process, that should just fail to load the drivers and move on. That's actually a sign that it's trying to load the drivers and something (like a conflict) is going on.
 

theitsage

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I am pretty sure this is not a validation process, from poking around at the internals. But we'll see.

If this was a real validation process, you'd probably never see the icon at all. And there is a lot of handing off and driver transfer going on that can act differently on an older Mac.

A good test would be to use a Thunderbolt 3 -> 2 adapter on a current Mac and see if the results are the same.

Also remember if you're testing on a Mac with an internal Nvidia GPU that's definitely a problem regardless of Thunderbolt 2.

Locking up at boot time is also a pretty good sign that this isn't a validation process, that should just fail to load the drivers and move on. That's actually a sign that it's trying to load the drivers and something (like a conflict) is going on.

A Thunderbolt 3 Mac works with Thunderbolt 2 enclosure via the Apple USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt adapter.
 
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thevidness

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i‘m running a sapphire vega 56 in a 5,1 from internal power. os is 10.13.3 at the moment. the fan is running at medium speed when the system is idle like others described.

today i noticed the weird fan spin-down behaviour, but not while having that specific website or h264 file open.

instead i had multiple programs running doing a lot of live video stuff (madmapper, modul8 and obs, capturing 4 full hd inputs with a blackmagic decklink card)

so not exactly a light workload. performance during that was subjectively solid but not great. just wanted to share that observation.

and i‘m wondering: do you people have any recommendations on what utilities to use to monitor the card? temperatures, clock speeds, fan speeds, processing and memory loads and stuff like that?

thanks
and best regards,
haye
 

MisterAndrew

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There's an eGPU validation process in 10.13.4 to load the proper drivers. This was implemented as of beta 2 to block Thunderbolt 2 and older Macs from using external GPU feature. For example, when I connect the RX Vega eGPU to the nMP, the eGPU icon briefly shows up on the Top Menu bar then disappears. The RX Vega fan continues spinning until I physically disconnect the Thunderbolt cable or turn off the enclosure. When I do this, macOS warns me with a notification message to eject external GPU properly by using the eGPU icon.

In a Thunderbolt 3 Mac, the RX Vega eGPU gets recognized quickly and the eGPU icon stays on the Top Menu bar. The fan makes the "whoosh" sound once drivers are loaded then settle down to idle speed. This block may have something to do with the Vega fan behavior in the Mac Pro.

Interesting. The card makes the "whoosh" with the fans when 10.13 and 10.13.1 starts up and behaves normally. Whether or not its a validation thing, Apple did something to make the card not behave quite properly without a TB3 Mac.

Any changes with the 5th 10.13.4 beta (build 17E182a)?
 

Unklemac

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Any good news on the eGPU (TB1/TB2 support), and Mac Pro Vega fanspeed?

Perhaps some performance boosts atleast?
 
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