Android has gained significant market share in key markets.

[jamezr]

If true....this is a stupid move on Apple's part!

Apple has recently been granted a patent that blocks iPhones from taking photos and recording videos during concerts and places where it is deemed prohibited.

http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-working-to-prevent-iphones-from-recording-video-at-concerts

 

[I7guy]

If true....this is a stupid move on Apple's part!



http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-working-to-prevent-iphones-from-recording-video-at-concerts

Implementing this would be a deal breaker for me on principle.

 

[Tsepz]

Better bt headphones at lower cost. Better digital headphones using better quality dacs. Better battery life.
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Innovation is as innovation does.

They can make all that without removing the 3.5mm jack.

 

[Tsepz]

If the rumor is true and apple ditches the headphone jack, there will be a huge opportunity for after market high quality audio solutions either relying on bt or lightning technology.

Again....This can be done without removing the 3.5mm jack. The opportunity has always been there.

 

[Tsepz]

We all know the only reason they are removing it is to make the phone thinner.What about my $300 headphones?I need to carry yet another adapter in addition to the USB C port adapters I carry for my Macbook

Even iVerge knows this to be a stupid decision.You realise how this looks like

So much for user friendliness.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Implementing this would be a deal breaker for me on principle.

Me too. If they do that I will never buy an iPhone again. What a stupid idea.

 

[I7guy]

Me too. If they do that I will never buy an iPhone again. What a stupid idea.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Surf Donkey]

I fully back anything that prevents people from recording at concerts. Personally I would approve some sort of shock device. Live in the moment. The phone won't ever capture it properly, the sound, the smell, the feeling in the air..... and you are sitting there viewing it through a screen. Just enjoy and respect the artist. You look like an asshat with your back to the stage taking selfies. And holding your phone in the air blocking my view is ****ing enraging beyond belief.

 

[Zaft]

I fully back anything that prevents people from recording at concerts. Personally I would approve some sort of shock device. Live in the moment. The phone won't ever capture it properly, the sound, the smell, the feeling in the air..... and you are sitting there viewing it through a screen. Just enjoy and respect the artist. You look like an asshat with your back to the stage taking selfies. And holding your phone in the air blocking my view is ****ing enraging beyond belief.

I have to agree with this, why see an event through a screen? A small one at that.

 

[Radon87000]

So basically the logical "conundrum" that I posed still stands it would seem.

How can you see a performance increase when the performance was plenty fast for you to begin with?Funny how the guys who never saw performance decrease are telling me performance has increased to 8.4.1 levels even when they said it never declined for them

 

[C DM]

How can you see a performance increase when the performance was plenty fast for you to begin with?

Seriously? If you are in a train going 100 MPH and it starts going a little faster that means you can't notice it going a little faster? Or that the original speed wasn't good enough for you simply because it started going a little faster? Are we really just blatantly turning our back on basic logic completely?

And even after all that, it still doesn't have much to do with what I brought up earlier. Just an attempt at a deflection at best (as usual).

 

[jamezr]

Interesting take on AI in general and Apple's Siri on Forbes today....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmark...oblems-are-worse-than-you-think/#6f0ac54a6f14

 

[Radon87000]

Seriously? If you are in a train going 100 MPH and it starts going a little faster that means you can't notice it going a little faster? Or that the original speed wasn't good enough for you simply because it started going a little faster? Are we really just blatantly turning our back on basic logic completely?

And even after all that, it still doesn't have much to do with what I brought up earlier. Just an attempt at a deflection at best (as usual).

Excuse me if I will only believe what you say when those who suffered from this issue told me I was imagining things.The fact that you didnt notice a performance decrease with the first version of iOS 9 makes your opinion invalid.

 

[C DM]

Excuse me if I will only believe what you say when those who suffered from this issue told me I was imagining things.The fact that you didnt notice a performance decrease with the first version of iOS 9 makes your opinion invalid.

So what you are saying then is that with the same logic the fact that you aren't noticing a performance improvement in iOS 9.3.3 betas so far would then similarly make your opinion invalid. We are back to what my original comment about all of this was. Quite a conundrum there.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I fully back anything that prevents people from recording at concerts. Personally I would approve some sort of shock device. Live in the moment. The phone won't ever capture it properly, the sound, the smell, the feeling in the air..... and you are sitting there viewing it through a screen. Just enjoy and respect the artist. You look like an asshat with your back to the stage taking selfies. And holding your phone in the air blocking my view is ****ing enraging beyond belief.

Totally agree with you on that. It's disrespectful to the artists who are performing and it's inconsiderate to others trying to watch the concert. I find it equally annoying when i'm in the supermarket checkout lane and the person is on the phone talking when the cashier is trying to complete their order.

 

[epicrayban]

Wow, I'm surprised to see people supporting Apple's latest patent. I think it's a terrible idea. What if I just want to take a photo with the friends I'm with at the venue? I can't because the venue has blocked out my camera functions? Uhm, no.

Artists and performers have to get used to the advent of technology. And I find often, especially for small bands, this sort of exposure helps them gain traction. If there are artists or venues that prohibit recording, then that's something they can say or enforce selectively, but to implement a technology/patent that blocks everybody's camera functions in the venue? That's overstepping.


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I fully back anything that prevents people from recording at concerts. Personally I would approve some sort of shock device. Live in the moment. The phone won't ever capture it properly, the sound, the smell, the feeling in the air..... and you are sitting there viewing it through a screen. Just enjoy and respect the artist. You look like an asshat with your back to the stage taking selfies. And holding your phone in the air blocking my view is ****ing enraging beyond belief.

By that rationale, why capture anything? If you're sightseeing somewhere, why capture photos or videos of it? You won't get the "proper sound, smell, feeling in the air" either in any of those cases. And the tiny screen thing... Why capture any moments then? Isn't it also just on a tiny screen anyway?

I understand the parts about respecting the artist and living in the moment, but you can typically accomplish both living in the moment and capturing a fun or memorable event.

And like I said, what if you just want a pic with a fellow friend/date that went with you to the venue? You can only take pics outside? What if there are people who never had any intention of videotaping the performance, but do want to use their phone to capture moments with their friends or something else that happened that was funny or whatever unrelated to the show? Now they can't even use their cameras?

That's overreaching.

 

[jamezr]

Wow, I'm surprised to see people supporting Apple's latest patent. I think it's a terrible idea. What if I just want to take a photo with the friends I'm with at the venue? I can't because the venue has blocked out my camera functions? Uhm, no.

Artists and performers have to get used to the advent of technology. And I find often, especially for small bands, this sort of exposure helps them gain traction.
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By that rationale, why capture anything? If you're sightseeing somewhere, why capture photos or videos of it? You won't get the "proper sound, smell, feeling in the air" either in any of those cases. Why capture any moments on video when it'll just be a tiny screen anyway?

I understand the parts about respecting the artist and living in the moment, but you can typically accomplish both living in the moment and capturing a fun or memorable event.

I know can you imagine a company telling you where and when you can use you camera phone??? They have no right to disable functions on my device in anyway shape or form.
It opens Pandora's box for a ton of other things like this as well.

 

[epicrayban]

Totally agree with you on that. It's disrespectful to the artists who are performing and it's inconsiderate to others trying to watch the concert. I find it equally annoying when i'm in the supermarket checkout lane and the person is on the phone talking when the cashier is trying to complete their order.

We all find this annoying, but it shouldn't mean everyone's phone gets their camera function blocked because there are rude people in the world. Should supermarkets implement a feature that turns off the call function to prevent people from being on calls during checkout?

Isn't that a bit of an overreach?

 

[sc4rf4c3]

You can't take pictures or record videos on a concert or venue but you can do both while driving. Who came up with this stupid patent?

 

[Surf Donkey]

By that rationale, why capture anything? If you're sightseeing somewhere, why capture photos or videos of it? You won't get the "proper sound, smell, feeling in the air" either in any of those cases. And the tiny screen thing... Why capture any moments then? Isn't it also just on a tiny screen anyway?

I understand the parts about respecting the artist and living in the moment, but you can typically accomplish both living in the moment and capturing a fun or memorable event.

And like I said, what if you just want a pic with a fellow friend/date that went with you to the venue? You can only take pics outside? What if there are people who never had any intention of videotaping the performance, but do want to use their phone to capture moments with their friends or something else that happened that was funny or whatever unrelated to the show? Now they can't even use their cameras?

That's overreaching.

Woah, slippery slope much? This is obviously aimed at the idiots who hold their camera up for the entire show. There are many of them. And they have ruined it for everyone. There is also the case of copyright infringement which should be considered as well.

When the show starts, recording is not allowed. Same as you shouldn't pull out your phone in a movie theater either. Take the picture before the show. Stop distracting others with your bright screens in a dark environment and blocking others views.

So either have a way to prevent it technically or take the phones away. And I have been to a couple shows recently where they do this. I am all for it.

I was at Flight of the Conchords last weekend. They tried to be funny by asking people to not record them because they are not very good. People still did it. They had to get a bit more nasty. People just can't seem to resist taking it out of their pocket. So what else can you do?

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They have no right to disable functions on my device in anyway shape or form.
It opens Pandora's box for a ton of other things like this as well.

LOL says the guy who supports buying phones with locked bootloaders

 

[jamezr]

Woah, slippery slope much? This is obviously aimed at the idiots who hold their camera up for the entire show. There are many of them. And they have ruined it for everyone. There is also the case of copyright infringement which should be considered as well.

When the show starts, recording is not allowed. Same as you shouldn't pull out your phone in a movie theater either. Take the picture before the show. Stop distracting others with your bright screens in a dark environment and blocking others views.

So either have a way to prevent it technically or take the phones away. And I have been to a couple shows recently where they do this. I am all for it.

I was at Flight of the Conchords last weekend. They tried to be funny by asking people to not record them because they are not very good. People still did it. They had to get a bit more nasty. People just can't seem to resist taking it out of their pocket. So what else can you do?

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LOL says the guy who supports buying phones with locked bootloaders

Has nothing to do with the topic of discussion tbh. Why make this personal?

This is a horrible idea for anyone who thinks this through. With no regulation and no oversight. This becomes a paid service for any company to pay Apple a fee to have your phone disabled. Yes...it is a big slippery slope.
Tourist attractions all over the world.....can now have your phone camera disabled and charge you a fee to have it unlocked to take pictures. The tourist attraction gets to charge you to take pictures. Apple collects a fee from the tourist attraction. It is indeed a slipper slope.

In a movie theatre.......your cellular reception is disabled because they don't want people getting texts or calls while watching the movie. The guy in front of you has a heart attack....but you can't dial 911 because your phone is prevented from cell reception.
There is an endless supply of reasons this is a very bad idea.
Let alone this is MY device and NO ONE should be able to disable functions on my phone.

 

[epicrayban]

Woah, slippery slope much? This is obviously aimed at the idiots who hold their camera up for the entire show. There are many of them. And they have ruined it for everyone. There is also the case of copyright infringement which should be considered as well.

When the show starts, recording is not allowed. Same as you shouldn't pull out your phone in a movie theater either. Take the picture before the show. Stop distracting others with your bright screens in a dark environment and blocking others views.

So either have a way to prevent it technically or take the phones away. And I have been to a couple shows recently where they do this. I am all for it.

I was at Flight of the Conchords last weekend. They tried to be funny by asking people to not record them because they are not very good. People still did it. They had to get a bit more nasty. People just can't seem to resist taking it out of their pocket. So what else can you do?

[doublepost=1467232652][/doublepost]

LOL says the guy who supports buying phones with locked bootloaders

I don't know what the solution to these problems are, but it can't be disabling the camera function wholesale.
[doublepost=1467234272][/doublepost]They kick people out who videotape at operas and broadway shows. Or at press events where they're not allowed to film/record.

Why can't venues do the same thing (if they aren't already)?

 

[Surf Donkey]

Has nothing to do with the topic of discussion tbh. Why make this personal?

This is a horrible idea for anyone who thinks this through. With no regulation and no oversight. This becomes a paid service for any company to pay Apple a fee to have your phone disabled. Yes...it is a big slippery slope.
Tourist attractions all over the world.....can now have your phone camera disabled and charge you a fee to have it unlocked to take pictures. The tourist attraction gets to charge you to take pictures. Apple collects a fee from the tourist attraction. It is indeed a slipper slope.

In a movie theatre.......your cellular reception is disabled because they don't want people getting texts or calls while watching the movie. The guy in front of you has a heart attack....but you can't dial 911 because your phone is prevented from cell reception.
There is an endless supply of reasons this is a very bad idea.
Let alone this is MY device and NO ONE should be able to disable functions on my phone.

Personal how dude? You call people out all the time, but get all offended when someone does it to you. Toughen up.

You said this line twice:

Let alone this is MY device and NO ONE should be able to disable functions on my phone.

That has EVERYTHING to do this discussion. You like Samsung... Apple...great. The phones are locked. You can't do anything with them at a system level. If you are so against someone disabling functions, why would you support that? This is at the top level the most blatant way of disabling functions on your phone

I totally get why Android Pay is disabled if I root. And I get the choice to do it or not. Its play ball by their rules or move on. Don't give them money if you don't like it.

Guess what.... at one point in time I clearly remember because I am old, we didn't have cell phones. And somehow we made it. It is ingrained in people brain to stare at their device all day or pull it out without even thinking about it. It is like an involuntary motion. Why did we have to make it illegal to text while driving? Isn't that common sense? People can't follow the rules and control themselves.

And you better believe in the near future we will see phones being disabled from turning on the screen while cars are driving. I am all for it.

 

[jamezr]

Personal how dude? You said this line twice:

Let alone this is MY device and NO ONE should be able to disable functions on my phone.

That has EVERYTHING to do this discussion. You like Samsung... Apple...great. The phones are locked. You can't do anything with them at a system level. If you are so against someone disabling functions, why would you support that? This is at the top level the most blatant way of disabling functions on your phone

It totally get why Android Pay is disabled if I root. And I get the choice to do it or not. Its play ball by their rules or move on. Don't give them money if you don't like it.

Guess what.... at one point in time I clearly remember because I am old, we didn't have cell phones. And somehow we made it. It is ingrained in people brain to stare at their device all day or pull it out without even thinking about it. It is like an involuntary motion. Why did we have to make it illegal to text while driving? Isn't that common sense? People can't follow the rules and control themselves.

And you better believe in the near future we will see phones being disabled from turning on the screen while cars are driving. I am all for it.

What does this have to do with the topic

LOL says the guy who supports buying phones with locked bootloaders

Mt phone is fully function with a locked bootloader

 

[epicrayban]

Why did we have to make it illegal to text while driving? Isn't that common sense? People can't follow the rules and control themselves.

There are no patents to disable texting messaging when you enter a car. Texting while driving is abhorrent. But there's a big difference between disabling texting functions versus making it illegal to text while driving.

And you better believe in the near future we will see phones being disabled from turning on the screen while cars are driving. I am all for it.

I sincerely think you should think this idea through.