Android has gained significant market share in key markets.

[jamezr]

We all know the only reason they are removing it is to make the phone thinner.What about my $300 headphones?I need to carry yet another adapter in addition to the USB C port adapters I carry for my Macbook

I think it is about making more money from BT accessories and their own Beats label. Then I am not sure if they charge a licensing fee to be lightning port certified for all the rest of the BT lightning port accessories that will flood the market.
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Oranges are better though. I hate those that say Apples are quicker cause you don't have to peel them.

I like this one better...

 

[I7guy]

We all know the only reason they are removing it is to make the phone thinner.What about my $300 headphones?I need to carry yet another adapter in addition to the USB C port adapters I carry for my Macbook

Even iVerge knows this to be a stupid decision.You realise how this looks like

Take it up with Apple I suppose and don't buy a future iPhone 7.
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No....you mentioned removing the headphone jack not me....
your original statement was

How is it driving audio innovation again?

So you purposely posted a misinterpretation of what I said?

 

[jamezr]

So you purposely posted a misinterpretation of what I said?

C'mon...that was a direct quote...

Your missing the big picture, Apple is driving audio innovation. Samsung will follow suit. People do want new bands, give the people what they want and you will make $50b a quarter.

So how are they driving audio innovation?

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't get why people say they're removing the jack for a thinner phone. The iPod Touch has a jack and is still thinner than the current iPhone. It isn't the jack stopping it from being thinner.

 

[I7guy]

C'mon...that was a direct quote...

So how are they driving audio innovation?

Nobody in their right mind would believe removing a jack is innovation. But if it forces the bar to be raised with audio accessories due to the potential huge market, it could be said removing the headphone jack caused innovation to take place even if Apple isn't doing the innovation. Although we don't fully know their plans.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I think it is about making more money from BT accessories and their own Beats label. Then I am not sure if they charge a licensing fee to be lightning port certified for all the rest of the BT lightning port accessories that will flood the market.

Bad decision from Apple, if they didn't fix the "Accessory Not Supported" errors. The majority is damn sure not going to pay a premium for adapters, which will probably have the same errors if you don't baby it.

Or maybe Apple thinks the majority will just end up using BT.

This will be interesting how it turns out. And I also wonder if the 2017 release will remain with a lighting cord.

 

[jamezr]

Nobody in their right mind would believe removing a jack is innovation. But if it forces the bar to be raised with audio accessories due to the potential huge market, it could be said removing the headphone jack caused innovation to take place even if Apple isn't doing the innovation. Although we don't fully know their plans.

i am sure i am not following you all the way. But Apple removed the floppy and DVD drives and it did not spur innovation for a replacement. I don't see how removing functionality in this manner will spur a replacing technology that will be innovative. I think you are giving them way too much credit here.

In my opinion this is a way to make more money through Beats lightning accessories and licensing.
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I don't get why people say they're removing the jack for a thinner phone. The iPod Touch has a jack and is still thinner than the current iPhone. It isn't the jack stopping it from being thinner.

I agree...there are phones that are thinner than the current gen iphones that still have a headphone jack.

 

[I7guy]

i am sure i am not following you all the way. But Apple removed the floppy and DVD drives and it did not spur innovation for a replacement. I don't see how removing functionality in this manner will spur a replacing technology that will be innovative. I think you are giving them way too much credit here.

In my opinion this is a way to make more money through Beats lightning accessories and licensing.
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I agree...there are phones that are thinner than the current gen iphones that still have a headphone jack.

Sure it did, innovation was spurred with cloud services, which is the probable reason apple removed cd drive. CD -> DVD -> bluray etc. apple removed the floppy because the cd has already supplanted it.

The requirement to install programs or move files around has not gone away, the methods that we use are different.

Apple is probably removing the headphone jack, because 3.5 -> BT wireless -> digital wired. Again, no facts since we don't know, just an opinion on a future direction should this rumor be true. The requirement to listen to music from our devices has not gone away, the way we will do this in the future, will revolve around wireless BT or digital headphones.

 

[jamezr]

Sure it did, innovation was spurred with cloud services, which is the probable reason apple removed cd drive. CD -> DVD -> bluray etc. apple removed the floppy because the cd has already supplanted it.

The requirement to install programs or move files around has not gone away, the methods that we use are different.

Apple is probably removing the headphone jack, because 3.5 -> BT wireless -> digital wired. Again, no facts since we don't know, just an opinion on a future direction should this rumor be true. The requirement to listen to music from our devices has not gone away, the way we will do this in the future, will revolve around wireless BT or digital headphones.

no....cloud services and storage has been evolving as an IT trend for a while and is a natural evolution for storage.
Cloud services has evolved as a solution because of virtualization and hosting costs have been gone down dramatically.
Not because Apple removed the DVD drive from macs.

Apple is not removing the headphone jack because there has been this big public outcry for a better solution.
They are removing functionality and not replacing it wil another solution. It might be different if they replaced the current generation with another port. Instead they are removing functionality and forcing people to buy new accessories or a new new dongle. They stand to gain rather significantly through their own Beats brand from the removal of the current technology.

 

[I7guy]

no....cloud services and storage has been evolving as an IT trend for a while and is a natural evolution for storage.
Cloud services has evolved as a solution because of virtualization and hosting costs have been gone down dramatically.
Not because Apple removed the DVD drive from macs.

Apple is not removing the headphone jack because there has been this big public outcry for a better solution.
They are removing functionality and not replacing it wil another solution. It might be different if they replaced the current generation with another port. Instead they are removing functionality and forcing people to buy new accessories or a new new dongle. They stand to gain rather significantly through their own Beats brand from the removal of the current technology.

But people might also decide to buy JBL, B&O, and whatever non-Beats brand (although Beats seems to have a following).

Now with regard to the bolded, back in the 2000's(?) pc manufacturers didn't remove the floppy because there was a big outcry for a better solution. The better solution was there; CD. Apple may be forward thinking in that a better solution is there. Either digital or wireless BT. I don't know. This is all predicated on that this is fact and not rumor. We may be surprised.

 

[jamezr]

But people might also decide to buy JBL, B&O, and whatever non-Beats brand (although Beats seems to have a following).

Now with regard to the bolded, back in the 2000's(?) pc manufacturers didn't remove the floppy because there was a big outcry for a better solution. The better solution was there; CD. Apple may be forward thinking in that a better solution is there. Either digital or wireless BT. I don't know. This is all predicated on that this is fact and not rumor. We may be surprised.

Local storage is a bad example. The main driving force was speed and storage capacity.
Local storage such as the floppy drive to the CD drive to the DVD to cheaper faster storage. Storage costs have plummeted. Hard drives and then SSD drives continue to drop in price.

Then cloud hosting costs has plummeted as well. Technology around these services evolved. Virtualization has changed cloud storage services to the point where data centers can expand with demand at a fraction of the cost now.

Apple removed the DVD drive to make the MBP thinner...there is no denying that. Apple didn't replace the DVD drive with some kind of faster wireless technology. Instead it gave people icloud services where they make money. Plain and simple.
Apple designs and trends support this. this design trend is now manifesting to the iphone as apple drives its products to be thinner and thinner.

 

[Savor]

Everywhere outside USA, Android pretty much dominates. In Spain, Android was at 92% last time I checked and Spain isn't some third world country. Only in the States is where it seems close to 50/50 although living in SoCal, it seems more like 70/30 or 80/20 I see more iPhones. All my cousins and friends use iPhones. The de facto series.


Value for practical use vs value to resell

I was scouring OLX to check out second hand iPhone 4 and 4s. I still see them go for like $85. For resell, I see the value in owning iPhones. But I always ask myself is that 4s any better than my current phones for practical use esp this Moto E2 that I recently put a 64gb micro-sd card, 1 inch bigger screen, and compares easily to the iPhone SE in battery life? Hell no! I have an iPad 2 on 8.3 and it is slow as molasses to browse on Safari or even connect to a Wi-Fi network. So for people who brag about getting longer software support from Apple, good luck with that after three years. Downgraders are becoming more common only for Apple to force you to update to use certain apps.

The real diamonds in the rough are the budget Android phones in the sub-$200 range. These are for the folks who don't game much to buy an overpriced Qualcomm Snapdragon 8$$ series cp where you see each core at over 2 GHz during idle (check CPU throttle apps) and tends to heat up fast. They don't need "5.5 or QHD. They don't care for benchmark scores. ARM Cortex A7 is efficient enough for most users. We can also sideload apps as they are quite compatible even for older software. These budget (foodstamp) phones would destroy flagships from 3-5 years ago. The neglected and forgotten devices in some prepaid package and for being dirt cheap.

The beauty of Android comes from its versatility and practical usage value in the longer run. I hope Google gets their NEXT BILLION with Android One. That $4 smartphone in India is a start. Someday, we will all have free Internet everywhere in the next decade and we can buy cheap smartphones in a vending machine and our local convenient store that could be cheaper than our lunch. Like physical media, smartphones will be saturated and cheap enough to be disposal like soda cans, CDs, DVDs thanks to how cheap and available they will become. Our future offspring will be asking us if we used to pay $20 for a DVD? $15 for a CD? $30 for a smartphone or monthly Internet? "That's expensive!“

I look at 2013-2014 as the turning point for smartphone hardware and software. The year smartphones matured enough that flagship specs back then could still hold its own now. From 2007-2012 is when smartphones, iOS, and Android were still in puberty. Growing pains. No wonder I don't see much of Josh Vergara and Michael Fisher left PocketNow. Noah Kravitz went AWOL on us. Most of the excitement and freshness is behind us.

 

[MRU]

Everywhere outside USA, Android pretty much dominates. In Spain, Android was at 92% last time I checked and Spain isn't some third world country. Only in the States is where it seems close to 50/50 .

You clearly don't check hard enough.

IOS still has a greater percentage (But still close to 50/50) in

UK, Ireland, Denmark, France, Australia, Japan, Belgium, New Zealand, Russia, Canada, South Africa & Ukraine

Spain currently sits at around 75% Android 25% iOS, however you really need to check your economics, because unquestionably the 46% Youth Unemployment Rate in Spain and poor economical forecast contributes vastly to this sway towards Android as it does in nearly all the countries where Android is above 65% or greater marketshare.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You clearly don't check hard enough.

IOS still has a greater percentage (But still close to 50/50) in

UK, Ireland, Denmark, France, Australia, Japan, Belgium, New Zealand, Russia, Canada, South Africa & Ukraine

Spain currently sits at around 75% Android 25% iOS, however you really need to check your economics, because unquestionably the 46% Youth Unemployment Rate in Spain and poor economical forecast contributes vastly to this sway towards Android as it does in nearly all the countries where Android is above 65% or greater marketshare.

Exactly, affordability is the major factor. In Hungary for example, a place I have many friends and visit often, the average monthly wage is equivalent to £300.

In the company where I work it has 185 people in the UK plant. On the factory floor you won't see a single iPhone. In the offices pretty much everybody has one. Price comes way before features and specs for a lot of people, and iPhones are pricey.

 

[Radon87000]

Take it up with Apple I suppose and don't buy a future iPhone 7.
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So you purposely posted a misinterpretation of what I said?

Not an option.My Apple Watch will become useless.Remaining with the iPhone 6 is also not an option as I am tired of stutters

 

[The Game 161]

Even IVerge has its doubt about this!

Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

In the long run it won't be

I can see why many are annoyed but wouldn't be an issue for me

 

[Klyster]

You clearly don't check hard enough.

IOS still has a greater percentage (But still close to 50/50) in

UK, Ireland, Denmark, France, Australia, Japan, Belgium, New Zealand, Russia, Canada, South Africa & Ukraine

Spain currently sits at around 75% Android 25% iOS, however you really need to check your economics, because unquestionably the 46% Youth Unemployment Rate in Spain and poor economical forecast contributes vastly to this sway towards Android as it does in nearly all the countries where Android is above 65% or greater marketshare.

Kantar has Australia at 64% Android, France at 74% Android, GB 58%etc....

Where are you getting your "by country" data from? Serious question, Kantar seem limited...

 

[I7guy]

Not an option.My Apple Watch will become useless.Remaining with the iPhone 6 is also not an option as I am tired of stutters

Idk, my sons iPhone 6 (the one I gave him) doesn't stutter on the latest beta release.

 

[Phoenixx]

I agree...... it is so nice to be able to take my S7e around the pool to take pics and not worry about getting it wet. I took a couple of videos of my son swimming under water!

If Apple follow their recent path, by the time they get around to waterproofing the iPhone, it will be a standard feature on ALL their competitors phones, and the tech industry will have moved on to something else, like indestructible screens.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Idk, my sons iPhone 6 (the one I gave him) doesn't stutter on the latest beta release.

That is reassuring. I am hoping the next release cures the stuttering and lag I've had on mine for the past 3 months.

 

[Phoenixx]

Everywhere outside USA, Android pretty much dominates. In Spain, Android was at 92% last time I checked and Spain isn't some third world country. Only in the States is where it seems close to 50/50 although living in SoCal, it seems more like 70/30 or 80/20 I see more iPhones. All my cousins and friends use iPhones. The de facto series.

Maybe this has something to do with the fact that a lot of the services needed to get the most out of an iPhone are not supported outside the USA. Due to Apple's ridiculous approach towards privacy, individual arrangements need to be made with companies to supply data for data sent to your phone such as public transport timetables, traffic levels etc. severely limiting the usefulness of the phone. Other limitations include a lack of services such as Apple Pay, which are directly in the hands of Apple. Android phones, by comparison, don't have these limitations, that data is simply pulled from the public internet. Google Now works almost anywhere, and the openness of Android means that banks can use the NFC chips to make the phones as useful as possible, based on local needs and services. Outside of the USA, an Android phone is simply far more useful than an iPhone.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

You clearly don't check hard enough.

IOS still has a greater percentage (But still close to 50/50) in
UK, Ireland, Denmark, France, Australia, Japan, Belgium, New Zealand, Russia, Canada, South Africa & Ukraine
Spain currently sits at around 75% Android 25% iOS, however you really need to check your economics, because unquestionably the 46% Youth Unemployment Rate in Spain and poor economical forecast contributes vastly to this sway towards Android as it does in nearly all the countries where Android is above 65% or greater marketshare.

I would suggest you doing the same, i.e. check harder, including your econmics. Market share held by mobile operating systems in Russia as per December 2015: Android 62,52%, iOS 25,51%. (Source). And talking about Apple's share of the market by units sold: in 2015 it fell to 5.2%, down from 10.3% compared to 2014. (Source).

 

[MRU]

Kantar has Australia at 64% Android, France at 74% Android, GB 58%etc....

Where are you getting your "by country" data from? Serious question, Kantar seem limited...

https://deviceatlas.com/sites/devic...viceAtlas - Mobile Traffic Report Q1 2015.pdf

 

[Radon87000]

That is reassuring. I am hoping the next release cures the stuttering and lag I've had on mine for the past 3 months.

Dont bother.Its the absolute same performance wise to 9.3.2.The only thing that's changed is more battery life

 

[MRU]

I would suggest you doing the same, i.e. check harder, including your econmics. Market share held by mobile operating systems in Russia as per December 2015: Android 62,52%, iOS 25,51%. (Source). And talking about Apple's share of the market by units sold: in 2015 it fell to 5.2%, down from 10.3% compared to 2014. (Source).

Maybe I do, but the point remains that Android whilst undoubtably has increased marketshare, to say that everywhere outside of USA is false. Likewise economics are indeed likely the biggest factor in the sway of marketshare.