Android has gained significant market share in key markets.

[tbayrgs]

If the iPhone 2017 does indeed look like the render below with the edge to edge display.......what will all the apple fans say that have knocked the Galaxy S7 Edge? What will they say now that Apple has the exact same thing? Will they still say it is just a gimmick? Apple following the market trends again.....they used to lead.

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Obviously I can only speak for myself...

I'm not opposed to an edge to edge display along as it has expemplary software to recognize inadvertent touches...and I mean, like 99% good. My issue with the Edge is 1) I'm seeing more and more complaints online everywhere about dissatisfaction with inadvertent touches registering on the display but importantly for me 2) the distortion that I see on the display at the side edges. That iPhone render has far less curvature at the edge of the display. If it has the same effects that bother me personally on the Edge, I'll have the same complaints about the iPhone. Finally, my 3rd issue with the S7 Edge is the even though it's improved over the S6 Edge, I still don't love the ergonomics---still feels a bit thin/sharp to hold on the edges.

You have to admit though, while Apple would certainly be following the first steps set forth by Samsung, that render it going WAY past what Samsung has done on any of their devices to date--truly full edge to edge. Of course, the S8 models will be released before this device sees the light of day and Samsung could very well beat Apple to the punch yet again.

 

[jamezr]

Obviously I can only speak for myself...

I'm not opposed to an edge to edge display along as it has expemplary software to recognize inadvertent touches...and I mean, like 99% good. My issue with the Edge is 1) I'm seeing more and more complaints online everywhere about dissatisfaction with inadvertent touches registering on the display but importantly for me 2) the distortion that I see on the display at the side edges. That iPhone render has far less curvature at the edge of the display. If it has the same effects that bother me personally on the Edge, I'll have the same complaints about the iPhone. Finally, my 3rd issue with the S7 Edge is the even though it's improved over the S6 Edge, I still don't love the ergonomics---still feels a bit thin/sharp to hold on the edges.

You have to admit though, while Apple would certainly be following the first steps set forth by Samsung, that render it going WAY past what Samsung has done on any of their devices to date--truly full edge to edge. Of course, the S8 models will be released before this device sees the light of day and Samsung could very well beat Apple to the punch yet again.

I have the S7 edge and started to get a lot of false touches and switched to the regular S7...then back to the S7 edge
But I am not getting as many false touches as before and started using a case when I go out of the house. That render is almost too good to be done. The S7 edge is a little more rounder than the S6 edge and I think the S8 edge will evolve even more. I don't see how you can have an edge to edge display and NOT get false touches from time to time. It just comes with the edge displays. I think you can eliminate them by almost killing the display edges...but then that is not an optimal solution either.
2017 is rounding out to be a great year for us tech geeks. Samsung is coming out with a foldable phablet/phone/tablet at some point and who knows what the S8 and Note 7 will bring display wise. Then all the rumors point to Apple going big with the iPhone 8. Gotta love technology!

 

[The Game 161]

I have the S7 edge and started to get a lot of false touches and switched to the regular S7...then back to the S7 edge
But I am not getting as many false touches as before and started using a case when I go out of the house. That render is almost too good to be done. The S7 edge is a little more rounder than the S6 edge and I think the S8 edge will evolve even more. I don't see how you can have an edge to edge display and NOT get false touches from time to time. It just comes with the edge displays. I think you can eliminate them by almost killing the display edges...but then that is not an optimal solution either.
2017 is rounding out to be a great year for us tech geeks. Samsung is coming out with a foldable phablet/phone/tablet at some point and who knows what the S8 and Note 7 will bring display wise. Then all the rumors point to Apple going big with the iPhone 8. Gotta love technology!

What made you return to the edge?

 

[apolloa]

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To be honest Flynn I preferred it when we were talking about football at least it was more pleasant...

No idea why bugs and features has been raised, I could sit and type out about bugs in BOTH platforms, means nothing.

I see a second big investor has sold their stock, didn't seem to say why.
Trouble is they can sell and buy almost at will with the money they have. And that will impact Apple, if more sell then it's value will drop and so will the things it can do. Money in the bank means nothing when your owned by share holders.

Apple still seems to be a lead platform currently, but as its sales drop further which has been predicted, their market share will give way more to Android and how long will it be till they are the lead platform?
I will be pretty excited for the 2017 iPhone, so long as it's physical size remains the same, but I couldn't care less about this year's model and I feel many others will be the same, its market share will slip more and its sales and profits will drop further as a result.

And more investors will sell their stock I think. This could very well limit what they can then do in the future.

 

[Hellhammer]

And more investors will sell their stock I think. This could very well limit what they can then do in the future.

I can't really follow your logic. What do stockholders and stock price have anything to do with what Apple can and cannot do? Stockholders have no say in what the company does, aside for the board of directors, which have some say in high-level strategy. Money in the bank is exactly what allows Apple to make investments and create innovative products, which can ultimately increase the stock price as they bring home more revenue and profit.

Apple is one of the rare companies that doesn't focus on short-term stock price. And I don't see why they should because focusing on real innovation and R&D is what yields far higher returns in long-term.

 

[apolloa]

I can't really follow your logic. What do stockholders and stock price have anything to do with what Apple can and cannot do? Stockholders have no say in what the company does, aside for the board of directors, which have some say in high-level strategy. Money in the bank is exactly what allows Apple to make investments and create innovative products, which can ultimately increase the stock price as they bring home more revenue and profit.

Apple is one of the rare companies that doesn't focus on short-term stock price. And I don't see why they should because focusing on real innovation and R&D is what yields far higher returns in long-term.

If they have a lower share value because stocks have been sold, the companies value drops and from what I understand it can lead to lay offs and closures and lack of development. I believe it can affect your agreements with banks too.

A quick google and this is the first link:

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/020703.asp

The first line is:

Here's the irony of the situation: Companies live and die by their stock price, yet for the most part they don't actively participate in trading their shares within the market.

A company floats to be bigger and richer, the downside is the stock market and shares dictate your size and how big you are. Money in the bank means nothing, I read somewhere once an investor stated: If you want to invest in a company with billions in the bank, invest in a bank, not a consumer electronics company.

The drop in share price after it's poor last quarter results wiped 47 Billion Dollars of the company's value, and they say they have what 100 to 150 billion in the bank? So 3 more drops like the recent one and that money's gone.

I don't pertain to know everything about shares, but I do know they can make or break a company and it's the risk a company takes to get the money and grow bigger.

Company's ALWAYS think about share holders.

 

[Hellhammer]

If they have a lower share value because stocks have been sold, the companies value drops and from what I understand it can lead to lay offs and closures and lack of development. I believe it can affect your agreements with banks too.

A quick google and this is the first link:

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/020703.asp

The first line is:

Here's the irony of the situation: Companies live and die by their stock price, yet for the most part they don't actively participate in trading their shares within the market.

A company floats to be bigger and richer, the downside is the stock market and shares dictate your size and how big you are. Money in the bank means nothing, I read somewhere once an investor stated: If you want to invest in a company with billions in the bank, invest in a bank, not a consumer electronics company.

The drop in share price after it's poor last quarter results wiped 47 Billion Dollars of the company's value, and they say they have what 100 to 150 billion in the bank? So 3 more drops like the recent one and that money's gone.

I don't pertain to know everything about shares, but I do know they can make or break a company and it's the risk a company takes to get the money and grow bigger.

Company's ALWAYS think about share holders.

No offence, but I don't think you really understand how companies and the stock market work. Market cap (i.e. the total value of all stocks combined) has nothing to do with how much money Apple has in the bank. Yes, Apple lost $47B of its market cap due to a drop in share price, but Apple still has as much money in the bank as it did a few months ago (or actually more given how much profit they make daily).

Money, especially billions, sitting in a bank is generally not considered good because that money would be better in an investment where it could generate more revenue and profit, but Apple is not your typical company as it generates billions in profit every quarter, hence making wise and profitable investments of that caliber quite difficult. Apple has been upping its R&D and acquisition spending all the time anyway.

If you read the link you provided further, you will also find out the main reasons why companies care about stock price. The first and most important one is because upper management are shareholders themselves through options. I.e. when the stock performs well they can make extra cash by selling their options (and that's really the only way to make serious $ as an employee). When the stock performs poorly, employees may start to seek other employment in growing companies, which have more potent in stock price growth and hence more potent in generating money through options.

That's really the only potential downside of AAPL decline, though. Apple still makes so many billions that they get credit at the lowest cost anyway and the stock would have to drop a lot before stockholder could engage in a proxy fight and try to force the current management out.

 

[Tsepz]

As much as I preferred iPhone over android devices, I've decided to go worth android is year.
I tried the Nexus 6P and loved it but the hardware is rubbish, it's cheap and nasty and the build quality is awful. So I have been trying the Samsung S7 Edge this week and as much as I'm loving it, I'm finding its not as open as the 6P. I can't disable the contacts app and install my own from the play store, same with the messaging and phone app.
I understand to do this I need root but I then void the warranty.
So it appears as open as android appears to be it's only if you buy a nexus device.

You can download another and simply set the phone to use the 3rd party one by default.

 

[Tsepz]

The power of android OS now is immense, couple it with industry leading hardware like the s7 edge and you can see why iPhone sales are dropping...

Exactly

Have you noticed how Apple are trying to sneak some of these things in to iOS? That brins me on to something else, if it was the other way i.e. features being put in to Android from iOS there would be a huge outcry of copying from our iPhone Fanboys. With each iOS update I am picking up a lot of Android influence, while with each Android update Google continue to focus on making Android ever more functional and even incorporating many features Samsung had in TW and HTC had in Sense, I love how the Android eco system has all these OEMs competing so fiercely, developing new ways to do things and in the end all that cool stuff being taken by Google being baked in to Android, just awesome.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Exactly

Have you noticed how Apple are trying to sneak some of these things in to iOS? That brins me on to something else, if it was the other way i.e. features being put in to Android from iOS there would be a huge outcry of copying from our iPhone Fanboys. With each iOS update I am picking up a lot of Android influence, while with each Android update Google continue to focus on making Android ever more functional and even incorporating many features Samsung had in TW and HTC had in Sense, I love how the Android eco system has all these OEMs competing so fiercely, developing new ways to do things and in the end all that cool stuff being taken by Google being baked in to Android, just awesome.

Android and iOS have copied off each other for years, it's nothing new. Fanboys whinge regardless of which operating system they use, again nothing new.

 

[I7guy]

Thanks for looking it up.

@I7guy there's your answer. Does this change your opinion of Android in anyway?

One thing is clear, it seems marketshare is good for google because they earn revenue by the unit; however the deal is structured.

 

[apolloa]

No offence, but I don't think you really understand how companies and the stock market work. Market cap (i.e. the total value of all stocks combined) has nothing to do with how much money Apple has in the bank. Yes, Apple lost $47B of its market cap due to a drop in share price, but Apple still has as much money in the bank as it did a few months ago (or actually more given how much profit they make daily).

Money, especially billions, sitting in a bank is generally not considered good because that money would be better in an investment where it could generate more revenue and profit, but Apple is not your typical company as it generates billions in profit every quarter, hence making wise and profitable investments of that caliber quite difficult. Apple has been upping its R&D and acquisition spending all the time anyway.

If you read the link you provided further, you will also find out the main reasons why companies care about stock price. The first and most important one is because upper management are shareholders themselves through options. I.e. when the stock performs well they can make extra cash by selling their options (and that's really the only way to make serious $ as an employee). When the stock performs poorly, employees may start to seek other employment in growing companies, which have more potent in stock price growth and hence more potent in generating money through options.

That's really the only potential downside of AAPL decline, though. Apple still makes so many billions that they get credit at the lowest cost anyway and the stock would have to drop a lot before stockholder could engage in a proxy fight and try to force the current management out.

Well another Google and I found an article that clearly states it wouldn't directly affect a company like Apple, I guess until it has spent all its savings at least, but shares can seriously affect business's that rely on outside investment:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...11/08/watch_out_for_falling_stock_prices.html

It can also affect the ability for a company to raise capital from what I've read. Oh and it opens the company up to hostile take over bids of course.

 

[jamezr]

What made you return to the edge?

The performance and battery life. The S7 edge is a beautifully engineered phone. Nothing compares to it imho

 

[epicrayban]

One thing is clear, it seems marketshare is good for google because they earn revenue by the unit; however the deal is structured.

That wasn't my question, but okay.

 

[Radon87000]

No offence, but I don't think you really understand how companies and the stock market work. Market cap (i.e. the total value of all stocks combined) has nothing to do with how much money Apple has in the bank. Yes, Apple lost $47B of its market cap due to a drop in share price, but Apple still has as much money in the bank as it did a few months ago (or actually more given how much profit they make daily).

Money, especially billions, sitting in a bank is generally not considered good because that money would be better in an investment where it could generate more revenue and profit, but Apple is not your typical company as it generates billions in profit every quarter, hence making wise and profitable investments of that caliber quite difficult. Apple has been upping its R&D and acquisition spending all the time anyway.

If you read the link you provided further, you will also find out the main reasons why companies care about stock price. The first and most important one is because upper management are shareholders themselves through options. I.e. when the stock performs well they can make extra cash by selling their options (and that's really the only way to make serious $ as an employee). When the stock performs poorly, employees may start to seek other employment in growing companies, which have more potent in stock price growth and hence more potent in generating money through options.

That's really the only potential downside of AAPL decline, though. Apple still makes so many billions that they get credit at the lowest cost anyway and the stock would have to drop a lot before stockholder could engage in a proxy fight and try to force the current management out.

I am currently a CFA Candidate and you are wrong in your analysis.Its specifically stated in Equity valuation that the price of a share is the function of present value of all expected cash flows discounted at market rates.Apple's stock price is nosediving because analysts pretty mucch expect the iPhone 7 to flop hard relative to the iPhone 6 success decreasing their revenue

 

[Hellhammer]

I am currently a CFA Candidate and you are wrong in your analysis.Its specifically stated in Equity valuation that the price of a share is the function of present value of all expected cash flows discounted at market rates.Apple's stock price is nosediving because analysts pretty mucch expect the iPhone 7 to flop hard relative to the iPhone 6 success decreasing their revenue

Where did I say anything that contradicts this? I have a BSc with honors in economics, so I'm well aware of how the fundamental value of a stock is calculated. However, we weren't talking about how stocks are valued and why Apple's stock is in a nosedive, but what the recent decline means to Apple as apolloa was saying that it will handicap Apple's ability to operate, which is not true. Apple has so good financial standing that its short-term stock price doesn't impact the company at all.

 

[Zaft]

If the iPhone 2017 does indeed look like the render below with the edge to edge display.......what will all the apple fans say that have knocked the Galaxy S7 Edge? What will they say now that Apple has the exact same thing? Will they still say it is just a gimmick? Apple following the market trends again.....they used to lead.

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Its not really a big deal what people say. Apple had a commercial praising the one hand use when the 5 came out. Two years later they release the biggest iphones ever. The market changes, if people like curved displays then apple will make them. Apple is not blind to the market like some think.

They even had a PDF stating "People want what we dont have".

 

[jamezr]

Its not really a big deal what people say. Apple had a commercial praising the one hand use when the 5 came out. Two years later they release the biggest iphones ever. The market changes, if people like curved displays then apple will make them. Apple is not blind to the market like some think.

They even had a PDF stating "People want what we dont have".

I know Apple doesn't listen to it's customers as that statement reflects.
But all along here on MR Apple fans have downplayed Samsung and the Galaxy S6, S7 with curved edge screens. But if Apple copies and comes out witht he same......all of a sudden they praise Apple's innovation. It has always been like that.

 

[apolloa]

I know Apple doesn't listen to it's customers as that statement reflects.
But all along here on MR Apple fans have downplayed Samsung and the Galaxy S6, S7 with curved edge screens. But if Apple copies and comes out witht he same......all of a sudden they praise Apple's innovation. It has always been like that.

Exactly and you get completely shot down by several members if you point that fact out. It's one of the reasons Apple fans are called Sheep, blindly defending Apple no matter what even though they look like complete hypocritical idiots.
You get on these forums racist remarks when discussing the Apple V Samsung court cases, yet if a company like Immersion Tech, who invented and developed it's technology and who everyone else pays a license to use, take Apple to court because they won't pay a license then people on here slander them as 'patent trolls' or 'on their webpage their is no information about what they make so they are patent trolls'....

As I said, hypocritical idiots.

 

[The Game 161]

Exactly and you get completely hot down by several members if you point that fact out. It's one of the reasons Apple fans are called Sheep, blindly defending Apple no matter what even though they look like complete hypocritical idiots.
You get on these forums racist remarks when discussing the Apple V Samsung court cases, yet if a company like Immersion Tech, who invented and developed it's technology and who everyone else pays a license to use, take Apple to court because they won't pay a license then people on here slander them as 'patent trolls' or 'on their webpage their is no information about what they make so they are patent trolls'....

As I said, hypocritical idiots.

well in fairness quite alot are saying how great the new S7 looks since it has come out so sometimes alot of apple fans have seem to of turned the opinion of samsung products due to what this year has brought.

 

[Zaft]

I know Apple doesn't listen to it's customers as that statement reflects.
But all along here on MR Apple fans have downplayed Samsung and the Galaxy S6, S7 with curved edge screens. But if Apple copies and comes out witht he same......all of a sudden they praise Apple's innovation. It has always been like that.

Apple listens when the market demands. Right now they need to step it up.

 

[I7guy]

I know Apple doesn't listen to it's customers as that statement reflects.
But all along here on MR Apple fans have downplayed Samsung and the Galaxy S6, S7 with curved edge screens. But if Apple copies and comes out witht he same......all of a sudden they praise Apple's innovation. It has always been like that.

There nothing but hyperbole in this statement? Who is the "they" being referred to?

 

[jamezr]

Look at the year-over-year comparisons
Apple reported a drop in iPhone sales from around 61 million to around 51 million in the most recent quarter, a reduction of approximately 16%. In contrast, Samsung (NASDAQOTH:SSNLF) reported that sales in its "Mobile" group (smartphones, tablets, etc.) were actually up 8% year-over-year in its most recent quarter.


For all of 2016, Samsung aims to see a year-over-year increase in the profitability of its mobile division "through high-end sales growth and solid profitability of mid to low-end products."

Apple, in contrast, will have seen iPhone sales flat in fiscal Q1, iPhone down in fiscal Q2 and fiscal Q3, with its fiscal Q4 something of an unknown at this point, though analyst consensus calls for a 9.1% year-over-year drop in total revenue, implying further iPhone unit declines.

It's clear that Samsung is seeing better year-over-year growth than Apple is.
http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...may-be-losing-smartphone-share-to-samsun.aspx

 

[epicrayban]

Warren buffet just invested a billion dollars into Apple stock. That can't be bad right?

 

[jamezr]

Warren buffet just invested a billion dollars into Apple stock. That can't be bad right?

He is bargain hunting. He will sue Apple again to make them return profits to shareholders.