Ive had Android 12 for months on my Pixel. It was released last October so ive had it not long after release. November anyways id guess.
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Ha, try telling that to those in here that carry 2, maybe 3 phones on them and switch them like underwear lol.
Some cant resist the latest and greatest and thats just their thing 🤷♂️
Android 12 looks like it came from the 1970s. On skinned phones like Samsungs and so on, it looks like Android 11. They didn't add any features, but the vanilla variant made it really ugly, with huge notifications in rounded corners on the lockscreen, the wifi/data toggle being one button labeled 'internet' among many complaints. I don't understand the 'groovy' style widgets with wild shapes either. If you're into earth tones, green fridges, and platform shoes, I suppose you'd be right at home.
According to a TV news tech story, the Pixel 6A will receive FIVE years of updates. Meanwhile, other Android devices are stuck with TWO.
For that reason alone, Android is dead to me.
My 2019 iPad should also receive FIVE years of support.
My 2019 Amazon Fire 10 is doing okay and Amazon supports my device for FOUR years after it is no longer available for sale on their website.
My 2019 Samsung is EOL for updates.
My Nokia T20 is supposed to receive monthly security updates. Nothing since the original May updates. Rumors is Lenovo is poor at updates too.
I suppose Google is to blame.
So my support goes to Microsoft and Apple.
I’m getting to keep Windows 10 on my PC until it is 10 years old.
For that reason alone, Android is dead to me.
My 2019 iPad should also receive FIVE years of support.
My 2019 Amazon Fire 10 is doing okay and Amazon supports my device for FOUR years after it is no longer available for sale on their website.
My 2019 Samsung is EOL for updates.
My Nokia T20 is supposed to receive monthly security updates. Nothing since the original May updates. Rumors is Lenovo is poor at updates too.
I suppose Google is to blame.
So my support goes to Microsoft and Apple.
I’m getting to keep Windows 10 on my PC until it is 10 years old.
I hate updates so two updates never bothered me. After iOS 7 hit my iPhone 4 I never forgave Apple. That was what five years of updates done to me. A visual and functional downgrade (the 4 was slow as molasses afterwards).
Most people not on internet forums don't care about updates, either. They just want to open Facebook, Twitter, their music app, their email, etc the way they always have done for years. If Android followed Apple's example I'd have to find another mobile OS when my old phones ultimately don't work on whatever network they're on.
Keep in mind though that despite the two years of OS updates, the app support on Android is much better. I can still use Walmart Pay and Kroger Pay on my Galaxy S5, an 8 year-old phone, despite its OS being many generations behind. I cannot use those apps on an iPod touch from 2015, a year newer, because while they are installed, they complain they need 'IOS 14 or above to run' when launched. So Apple's support is a lot worse. You have to keep apps or the OS up to date all the time, and keep buying new phones when you no longer get iOS updates. With Android, you can keep using and updating apps long, long after the OS support ends. Sometimes for far longer than you can after iOS support for a particular phone ends.
I'd be happy if I could just be left alone to use whatever version, whatever OS and whatever app and device I use without any issue. There's no reason I have to be forced to update a darned thing when what I have serves my needs perfectly fine. Let those who want those things have the option, by all means. But leave those of us who don't alone!
The Federation won't collapse and galaxies won't implode just because I decide I prefer a Galaxy SII over a brand new phone. I ain't anyone's business what device I use. If it serves my needs it is what I use. If not, then I look for other options. This need to force updates needs to end. Besides, me keeping an older phone isn't going to stop anyone else from buying a new device so why even bother trying to force me into a future I hate?
Most people not on internet forums don't care about updates, either. They just want to open Facebook, Twitter, their music app, their email, etc the way they always have done for years. If Android followed Apple's example I'd have to find another mobile OS when my old phones ultimately don't work on whatever network they're on.
Keep in mind though that despite the two years of OS updates, the app support on Android is much better. I can still use Walmart Pay and Kroger Pay on my Galaxy S5, an 8 year-old phone, despite its OS being many generations behind. I cannot use those apps on an iPod touch from 2015, a year newer, because while they are installed, they complain they need 'IOS 14 or above to run' when launched. So Apple's support is a lot worse. You have to keep apps or the OS up to date all the time, and keep buying new phones when you no longer get iOS updates. With Android, you can keep using and updating apps long, long after the OS support ends. Sometimes for far longer than you can after iOS support for a particular phone ends.
I'd be happy if I could just be left alone to use whatever version, whatever OS and whatever app and device I use without any issue. There's no reason I have to be forced to update a darned thing when what I have serves my needs perfectly fine. Let those who want those things have the option, by all means. But leave those of us who don't alone!
The Federation won't collapse and galaxies won't implode just because I decide I prefer a Galaxy SII over a brand new phone. I ain't anyone's business what device I use. If it serves my needs it is what I use. If not, then I look for other options. This need to force updates needs to end. Besides, me keeping an older phone isn't going to stop anyone else from buying a new device so why even bother trying to force me into a future I hate?
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I want my devices, all my devices, current. That’s how I’m wired.
It might be possible to circumvent Microsoft’s requirements for my PC to get Windows 11.
I’m eager even though it isn’t necessary for another 3 years.
I’m a bleeding edge kinda guy.
If I was an Ubuntu kinda guy, I’d update twice a year, because that’s what they do.
Kinda stupid on their part and I probably will stay a Windows guy.
My iPad is all I want from Apple.
I would purchase another Fire tablet before the other guys.
Samsung and Lenovo don’t have decent support, nor does Nokia.
Amazon doesn’t believe in poor service.
It might be possible to circumvent Microsoft’s requirements for my PC to get Windows 11.
I’m eager even though it isn’t necessary for another 3 years.
I’m a bleeding edge kinda guy.
If I was an Ubuntu kinda guy, I’d update twice a year, because that’s what they do.
Kinda stupid on their part and I probably will stay a Windows guy.
My iPad is all I want from Apple.
I would purchase another Fire tablet before the other guys.
Samsung and Lenovo don’t have decent support, nor does Nokia.
Amazon doesn’t believe in poor service.
Eh, not a big deal. Even if I get a Pixel 6a I won't have it 5 years. I keep my phone 2 to 2.5 years.
I still have a SS Tab S2 and it is in I think Android 7. I don't mind the software being older but the tablet itself is slow as molasses and I need a newer one.
I won't get the latest, probably the one prior to that.
I still have a SS Tab S2 and it is in I think Android 7. I don't mind the software being older but the tablet itself is slow as molasses and I need a newer one.
I won't get the latest, probably the one prior to that.
I am running Windows 11 on my PC.
I can't say it is crazy new or exciting.
Maybe faster, especially with updates.
Some items are the same going back to Windows 95.
At least it has a new look.
This is what Android and everyone else should concentrate on with a new release.
Something truly new and worthy of getting the upgrade.
I can't say it is crazy new or exciting.
Maybe faster, especially with updates.
Some items are the same going back to Windows 95.
At least it has a new look.
This is what Android and everyone else should concentrate on with a new release.
Something truly new and worthy of getting the upgrade.
You get a new OS every year with Android so it won't be a massive noticable thing but you can look it up to see what's new.
Microsoft gives you a new OS between 5 to 10 years. It better be noticable and have new things.
My PC is too old to get Windows 11. That's how long it's been since I have had one lol.
My PC is too old as well. Rufus made it possible. My PC is 2014.
Microsoft doesn’t wait 5 to 10!
They plan on returning to every other year.
Lately they do. Windows 10 came out in 2015. That's 7 years. It was 5.5 years between Vista and Windows 8.
Between 8 and 10 was 3 years and that was because they head guy at Windows didn't like the response it was getting.
They deserted the start button and people lost their minds lol.
Some were shorter but lately they have been 5 years or longer.
I need to buy a new PC to get Windows 11 but that's fine The PC is really slow these days.
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I stand corrected. It will be every 3 years for Windows.
Windows 12 should release before Windows 10 goes EOL.
Windows 11 is okay. My next device probably won't be a tablet.
So no more Android or iPad OS. No more limited updates.
I sort of know what to expect from Microsoft.
Windows 12 should release before Windows 10 goes EOL.
Windows 11 is okay. My next device probably won't be a tablet.
So no more Android or iPad OS. No more limited updates.
I sort of know what to expect from Microsoft.
That's why I jumped ship. (At least, a part of the reason.)
Three models of Surface and every single one had issues which should have been addressed - software and hardware.
Over the years, my family and friends have done well with Dell computers. The Surface products are expensive.
Apple computers are too costly as well, at least for me.
Can't see having a tablet style computer with Windows. Maybe a 2 in 1.
After 5 years of tablets and touch screens, I am preferring my good old keyboard and mouse.
I've not tried predictive text in Windows. That makes me nervous.
2 in 1’s are great and practical for my use. I recently purchased a 14” HP 2-1 on sale for $529 ($300 discount). They are great because you can fold them into a tablet. I will use that to watch Live Sports when i’m lying down. My 2nd purchase was also an HP 15” 2-1 with a ($300 discount), really slick laptop.
I’m also one that doesn’t like to spend too much on computers so buying an Apple laptop is a no-go for me. You can’t upgrade them, they are expensive to repair. The Surface laptops look nice but too expensive as well and you can’t upgrade them as well.
For the record, if you don't want Windows 11, just go into your PC's BIOS/CMOS setup and turn off 'Ftvm' or 'TPM/Trusted Platform Module' and reboot. Windows 10 will then claim in Windows Update settings that 'this PC is not eligible for Windows 11' and hopefully, after 2025, October, you won't lose access to the OS. Given Windows 10 was their 'Windows as a Service' I wouldn't put it past them to just up and remote-kill it. At least with Windows 7 or earlier, you can keep using it until the PC literally won't boot anymore.
I'm quite old fashioned. I keep things for life. I buy for life. That's why I prefer phones with removable batteries so I am not forced to replace them in 5 years or so. Nothing is going to fundamentally change in my life and I'll still be using the same apps I've always have since 2010, so there's no reason for me to even buy a new phone other than network compatibility problems later on.
I'm quite old fashioned. I keep things for life. I buy for life. That's why I prefer phones with removable batteries so I am not forced to replace them in 5 years or so. Nothing is going to fundamentally change in my life and I'll still be using the same apps I've always have since 2010, so there's no reason for me to even buy a new phone other than network compatibility problems later on.
I wanted to install Windows 11 just to see it. No big deal. It might be a little quicker. Many things look different, but it is still Windows. Guess that annoys me. Same goes for Android. I can't tell the last three versions apart.
I still have some old products like my first Roku from 2016. It probably still works but I don't use it. Chances are it is very slow but still functional. This happens with so many tech products.
I can appreciate Nick getting away with keeping products that still function. My 2007 iMac can't access the Store and Safari won't connect to the Web. Everything under the hood is old and would be painfully slow even if I could use it.
My 2014 computer runs Windows 11 as well as Windows 10.
I see no reason to get another computer except I'd like something portable that isn't a tablet.
I still have some old products like my first Roku from 2016. It probably still works but I don't use it. Chances are it is very slow but still functional. This happens with so many tech products.
I can appreciate Nick getting away with keeping products that still function. My 2007 iMac can't access the Store and Safari won't connect to the Web. Everything under the hood is old and would be painfully slow even if I could use it.
My 2014 computer runs Windows 11 as well as Windows 10.
I see no reason to get another computer except I'd like something portable that isn't a tablet.
To be honest, not a lot has changed since 2016. The whole 'tech homogenization' began in 2013 for Apple (iOS 7), and 2014,15 for Android, and since then not much has fundamentally changed. We gained some more cameras, bigger screens but no real tech innovation since 2014. The most feature-packed Android phone was the Samsung Galaxy S5 in 2014, and no phone has had that many features in one device since.
If anything we've gone totally backwards and have become stuck in this rut I'll be very glad to see us get out of really soon. Or so I hope. We had such rapid tech pace from 2007-13 and then it pretty much stopped.
Don't blame your 'outdated' iMac for Safari's shortcomings. A lot of modern sites refuse to work with Safari in Monterey. The browser has become the I.E. of Mac OS. Use Chrome and I'll bet the last supported version works fine.
If anything we've gone totally backwards and have become stuck in this rut I'll be very glad to see us get out of really soon. Or so I hope. We had such rapid tech pace from 2007-13 and then it pretty much stopped.
Don't blame your 'outdated' iMac for Safari's shortcomings. A lot of modern sites refuse to work with Safari in Monterey. The browser has become the I.E. of Mac OS. Use Chrome and I'll bet the last supported version works fine.
I think my iMac is running the last of the “big cats.”
I burned a DVD of Mountain Lion.
It also only has 2GB RAM.
Chrome worked better than anything else when I used my iMac all the time.
I can’t go any higher than High Sierra. With 2GB, Spinning Wheels all the time.
There was nothing better than Leopard/Snow Leopard.
Windows 7 was great but Windows XP was better.
Windows 8/8.1 was miserable.
I’ve never owned a smart phone and my first tablet was 2017.
My first iMac, a G3 teardrop model used OS 9. It had IE and Netscape.
That was 20 years ago.
I think Apple/Android users might like to see magic like we saw with Windows 95. Windows 3/3.1 looked a lot like the OS from Apple and some do feel MS copied the look.
Some developers make apps for a smart phone and they often are not compatible with my tablets. The iPad versions work but look stupid.
I’m going to agree with you Nick. Technology has become lazy.
I sometimes use Linux Mint in Virtual Box.
It doesn’t look much different to me lately.
I burned a DVD of Mountain Lion.
It also only has 2GB RAM.
Chrome worked better than anything else when I used my iMac all the time.
I can’t go any higher than High Sierra. With 2GB, Spinning Wheels all the time.
There was nothing better than Leopard/Snow Leopard.
Windows 7 was great but Windows XP was better.
Windows 8/8.1 was miserable.
I’ve never owned a smart phone and my first tablet was 2017.
My first iMac, a G3 teardrop model used OS 9. It had IE and Netscape.
That was 20 years ago.
I think Apple/Android users might like to see magic like we saw with Windows 95. Windows 3/3.1 looked a lot like the OS from Apple and some do feel MS copied the look.
Some developers make apps for a smart phone and they often are not compatible with my tablets. The iPad versions work but look stupid.
I’m going to agree with you Nick. Technology has become lazy.
I sometimes use Linux Mint in Virtual Box.
It doesn’t look much different to me lately.
Running anything after Mavericks with a spinning hard disk (not an SSD) is a recipe for lag and slowdowns on an older Mac. Yosemite+ really should have made it a requirement to have a SSD to install.
I was once a huge Apple fan. I had my 3GS first, and the UI blew me away with its fascination. Then I upgraded to a 4 which had that beautiful UI in a retina display and then I got an iPad 3 as my first iPad, which got Siri in iOS 6. Sadly both the iPad and the 4 got iOS 7 without my permission (well, it was partly my fault--the were set on auto update when plugged in and connected to wifi, and I never got a bad Apple update in my life so I had no way to know it would end up ruining my enjoyment of the platform)
My first Android tablet was a horrible Coby Kyros MID7015 7" tablet running Android 2.1 Eclair. The thing only had 256MB of RAM and barely ran YouTube. Couldn't multitask without it either rebooting itself or freezing up.
My first realAndroid tablet was my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. I played with the demo at Best Buy in 2012, and it was as smooth and beautiful as my iPad was on iOS 6, and had even better features such as an IR blaster for TV control and two front-firing stereo speakers, something my iPad lacked. I got exposed to Samsung's UI and then later replaced my 4 with a Samsung Galaxy SIII and the rest was history. I've clinged to skeuomorphic UI since and I can't stand anything modern as it's just frustrating to use, boring to look at and not enjoyable anymore.
When they start making things that feel like real upgrades I'll change my mind. But so far they're just flattening more the UI and making devices with less and less features but charging more $$$. Remind me what the 'upgrade' is? I mean the cameras on a smartphone don't interest me. Never have. I don't do social media anymore. But I'd sure love to have a sliding keyboard and even sliding media controls, a beautiful UI again, and a screen under 5", stereo speakers, headphone jack, removable battery and an IR blaster. The Nokia N95 had all that in 2006. We had folding phones in 2012, so there's no upgrade at all that I can see.
I was once a huge Apple fan. I had my 3GS first, and the UI blew me away with its fascination. Then I upgraded to a 4 which had that beautiful UI in a retina display and then I got an iPad 3 as my first iPad, which got Siri in iOS 6. Sadly both the iPad and the 4 got iOS 7 without my permission (well, it was partly my fault--the were set on auto update when plugged in and connected to wifi, and I never got a bad Apple update in my life so I had no way to know it would end up ruining my enjoyment of the platform)
My first Android tablet was a horrible Coby Kyros MID7015 7" tablet running Android 2.1 Eclair. The thing only had 256MB of RAM and barely ran YouTube. Couldn't multitask without it either rebooting itself or freezing up.
My first realAndroid tablet was my Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. I played with the demo at Best Buy in 2012, and it was as smooth and beautiful as my iPad was on iOS 6, and had even better features such as an IR blaster for TV control and two front-firing stereo speakers, something my iPad lacked. I got exposed to Samsung's UI and then later replaced my 4 with a Samsung Galaxy SIII and the rest was history. I've clinged to skeuomorphic UI since and I can't stand anything modern as it's just frustrating to use, boring to look at and not enjoyable anymore.
When they start making things that feel like real upgrades I'll change my mind. But so far they're just flattening more the UI and making devices with less and less features but charging more $$$. Remind me what the 'upgrade' is? I mean the cameras on a smartphone don't interest me. Never have. I don't do social media anymore. But I'd sure love to have a sliding keyboard and even sliding media controls, a beautiful UI again, and a screen under 5", stereo speakers, headphone jack, removable battery and an IR blaster. The Nokia N95 had all that in 2006. We had folding phones in 2012, so there's no upgrade at all that I can see.
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I had a Compaq PC that worked okay with Windows 95. It had just enough of everything to get by.
I upgraded to Windows 98 and it was so bad I needed to return to Windows 95.
Windows 98 was classic, "You've got to be kidding me."
Ditto for Windows Me.
MacRumors has a new story about the next iPad. One person claims everyone also has a phone, likely an iPhone.
I replied, never have, never will.
My eyesight has limitations.
I'm sure most people have a phone and it gets more use than a tablet. That will stunt the growth of the tablet from anyone.
If the Android tablet dies it will be self inflicted. I still think iPad is not the perfect answer. People are already complaining Apple may remove the headphone jack on the next iPad.
I use the headphone jack a lot on my Android tablets.
I upgraded to Windows 98 and it was so bad I needed to return to Windows 95.
Windows 98 was classic, "You've got to be kidding me."
Ditto for Windows Me.
MacRumors has a new story about the next iPad. One person claims everyone also has a phone, likely an iPhone.
I replied, never have, never will.
My eyesight has limitations.
I'm sure most people have a phone and it gets more use than a tablet. That will stunt the growth of the tablet from anyone.
If the Android tablet dies it will be self inflicted. I still think iPad is not the perfect answer. People are already complaining Apple may remove the headphone jack on the next iPad.
I use the headphone jack a lot on my Android tablets.
See I never had the love affair with XP. I always preferred 98 SE. XP was bloated, slow, and too idiot proof (constant bubble notifications telling me my system needs help, the storage is low, etc) and at the time I despised Luna UI (it was too early for skeuo, and it ended up looking quite cartooney, Fisher Price looking).
So I clinged to 98SE until late 2011 when I couldn't run modern Flash anymore (was using it on Facebook a lot at the time playing games like FarmVille) and many sites going https made the browsers all break. That was on a 'free' Compaq Deskpro I found in a dumpster (why people toss perfectly good machines away is beyond me). I then got exposed to Vista and 7 which are much nicer in the UI than XP could ever be. The only things wrong with Vista were the Wifi bug (unidentified network local access only) and slow boot times (30 minutes before you get a usable desktop). Windows 7 was peak Windows for me. Not XP. I got a system still running XP, with modern browser such as MyPal, but it's still ugly as I remember it. It looks very...well, 2001. Vista came out in 2006, but looks totally futuristic compared with anything modern.
To me a smartphone could never replace a laptop or tablet. They're too limited and impractical to use like that. Imagine trying to do your taxes or spreadsheets or multiple page Word documents on a phone and hitting the wrong gesture or button on screen and losing everything! There's a scene from the movie RV of the main character typing a report on his BlackBerry and spending all night trying to send it via email, and the frustration he experiences would mirror mine doing the same thing. A smartphone, no matter how big it gets, can not replace a tablet or laptop. They exist for different use types. Sure, a smartphone can converge radio, phone, messaging, camera, notes, calculator and so on, but it cannot be a laptop or tablet. To even try to watch video long-term will make your eyes as bad as those who spent hours watching the baseball game on a 5" Sony WatchMan TV back in the 80s.
The best analogy to remark how stupid it is to use a phone as a computer is this: Imagine replacing your fancy 4K 70" TV with a 13" Black and White CRT TV. Sure you can watch the same crap on it, but it will be a tiny little screen, no colour, and low resolution. Impractical in the modern world. Doable, sure, but very, very uncomfortable.
Heck, I was still clinging to a Nokia 5185i until 2010, because that phone worked. I had the menus memorized by heart and could use it blind. Yeah, it had a flat UI design (B&W LCD segment display) but I only had frustrations with anything like a Moto Razr. It wasn't until the iPhone 3GS that there was a perfect UI and phone to upgrade to. But like with that Nokia, I haven't found anything newer to replace the 2010 tech.
So I clinged to 98SE until late 2011 when I couldn't run modern Flash anymore (was using it on Facebook a lot at the time playing games like FarmVille) and many sites going https made the browsers all break. That was on a 'free' Compaq Deskpro I found in a dumpster (why people toss perfectly good machines away is beyond me). I then got exposed to Vista and 7 which are much nicer in the UI than XP could ever be. The only things wrong with Vista were the Wifi bug (unidentified network local access only) and slow boot times (30 minutes before you get a usable desktop). Windows 7 was peak Windows for me. Not XP. I got a system still running XP, with modern browser such as MyPal, but it's still ugly as I remember it. It looks very...well, 2001. Vista came out in 2006, but looks totally futuristic compared with anything modern.
To me a smartphone could never replace a laptop or tablet. They're too limited and impractical to use like that. Imagine trying to do your taxes or spreadsheets or multiple page Word documents on a phone and hitting the wrong gesture or button on screen and losing everything! There's a scene from the movie RV of the main character typing a report on his BlackBerry and spending all night trying to send it via email, and the frustration he experiences would mirror mine doing the same thing. A smartphone, no matter how big it gets, can not replace a tablet or laptop. They exist for different use types. Sure, a smartphone can converge radio, phone, messaging, camera, notes, calculator and so on, but it cannot be a laptop or tablet. To even try to watch video long-term will make your eyes as bad as those who spent hours watching the baseball game on a 5" Sony WatchMan TV back in the 80s.
The best analogy to remark how stupid it is to use a phone as a computer is this: Imagine replacing your fancy 4K 70" TV with a 13" Black and White CRT TV. Sure you can watch the same crap on it, but it will be a tiny little screen, no colour, and low resolution. Impractical in the modern world. Doable, sure, but very, very uncomfortable.
Heck, I was still clinging to a Nokia 5185i until 2010, because that phone worked. I had the menus memorized by heart and could use it blind. Yeah, it had a flat UI design (B&W LCD segment display) but I only had frustrations with anything like a Moto Razr. It wasn't until the iPhone 3GS that there was a perfect UI and phone to upgrade to. But like with that Nokia, I haven't found anything newer to replace the 2010 tech.
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I agree with you in what you're trying to say regarding the 13" black and white CRT, but my Orion set is a 13" color CRT and it's pretty nice as a bedstand set. I mostly use it for video games, but do occasionally hook my VCR up to it.
A 15" CRT monitor, though... yeah, that's starting to get a little small for me. Might end up selling off my E773s and replacing it with a second 19".
A 15" CRT monitor, though... yeah, that's starting to get a little small for me. Might end up selling off my E773s and replacing it with a second 19".
Retro games (SNES, PlayStation, N64) all work best on a CRT especially the 'gamer's choice' Sony Trinitrons.
I was referring to the idea of replacing a 4K TV with a 13" B&W CRT from the '60s. Sure, you could watch your stuff with dongles and adapters but it would make a very uncomfortable way to do what's possible today with far better tech. Such as a proper TV. Just as a tablet does best for media consumption, a smartphone does best for converging a camera, phone, radio, messaging devices. A laptop is best for productivity like Word, Excel, or whatever your preferred office suite is. Trying to make a smartphone replace a computer or tablet is no different and no less ridiculous than turning a 1960s CRT set into a smart TV.
I was referring to the idea of replacing a 4K TV with a 13" B&W CRT from the '60s. Sure, you could watch your stuff with dongles and adapters but it would make a very uncomfortable way to do what's possible today with far better tech. Such as a proper TV. Just as a tablet does best for media consumption, a smartphone does best for converging a camera, phone, radio, messaging devices. A laptop is best for productivity like Word, Excel, or whatever your preferred office suite is. Trying to make a smartphone replace a computer or tablet is no different and no less ridiculous than turning a 1960s CRT set into a smart TV.