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Iwavvns

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I share this concern and would like to see more people talk about it, to be honest.

Apparently ChatGPT went down for a while last week and my Twitter feed had multiple people admitting they weren't really sure what to do now, because they outsourced way too many tasks to it. Tasks that previously required original thought — which are usually pretty essential to being employable and productive.

I welcome certain features, like the new features in Mail, but AI is something we should be treating with far more caution than we are.
Agreed. And, this is happening very slowly so people don’t see it coming. I’m not saying that all of this is intentional, but it does give some credence to the saying “the road to hell is paid with good intentions”. When I was in the Navy, we were trained how to accomplish tasks with technology, but we were also trained how to accomplish those same tasks if technology were not available. I always wondered why they trained us like that, I’m now beginning to see that I was being trained to survive. One of the first things that a force will do when they want to take over someone else is to take out the infrastructure. If the population is hopelessly dependent on that infrastructure, then that population will be easy to control when that infrastructure is removed. It is OK to use technology, but don’t become hopelessly dependent on it.. everyone would benefit from learning to think for themselves.
 

bondr006

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And, even if it didn’t get new updates, that device is still capable of doing the exact same things that it did the day you bought it. My iPad 9th generation will likely last the next 20 years, as long as I can keep getting batteries for it.

As you might have guessed by now, marketing departments hate people like me.. it’s not easy to sell me my own shoes.
Much of the features that we see lately are nothing more than taking work away from our brains.. which makes our brain work less, and that is not a good thing. if we take all of the work away from our brain and put it on technology, what happens when that technology suddenly disappears through catastrophe or disaster? AI-enhanced technology is only going to create a society wherein mankind can no longer take care of itself. I saw this firsthand last year when our neighborhood lost power for most of the day, my roommates couldn’t function when their Apple devices no longer functioned. Relying too much on technology is a weakness, a weakness that anyone can easily exploit to control the population.

Apple Intelligence is nothing more than apple branded AI, and AI is nothing more than gathering information from the Internet - which was populated by people.

Do you really want to live in society where you are told what to do by machines? Because, in case you haven’t been paying attention, that is where we are slowly headed.. and people are eating it up like a chocolate eclair..
Little extreme are we? Me thinks someone needs to stop watching TV and reading so much apocalyptic sci-fi. I'll be darned if I'm going to live my life based on what ifs and conspiracy theories.
 

Iwavvns

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Little extreme are we? Me thinks someone needs to stop watching TV and reading so much apocalyptic sci-fi. I'll be darned if I'm going to live my life based on what ifs and conspiracy theories.
I don’t own a TV, I don’t watch movies.. my time is mostly taken up with historical research

I once heard that the Titanic was “unsinkable”. Do you think that more lives could have been saved if everyone wasn’t convinced that a disaster couldn’t happen? The Roman Empire was “too big to fail”. Where is that empire now? Do you remember hearing of the Texas power outage last year? How many of those people thought it couldn’t happen to them? There is always a cost for being complacent.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
 
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Webcat86

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Agreed. And, this is happening very slowly so people don’t see it coming. I’m not saying that all of this is intentional, but it does give some credence to the saying “the road to hell is paid with good intentions”. When I was in the Navy, we were trained how to accomplish tasks with technology, but we were also trained how to accomplish those same tasks if technology were not available. I always wondered why they trained us like that, I’m now beginning to see that I was being trained to survive. One of the first things that a force will do when they want to take over someone else is to take out the infrastructure. If the population is hopelessly dependent on that infrastructure, then that population will be easy to control when that infrastructure is removed. It is OK to use technology, but don’t become hopelessly dependent on it.. everyone would benefit from learning to think for themselves.
The occasional power cut is a very good thing to remind us all what we used to do before being permanently online
 

seggy

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I mean, it's a tool.

If you expected a trinket, as so many who apparently aspire to (god forbid, I tolerate as tools) Apple stuff do, then it's probably not that exciting. Try a Vision Pro.
 

bondr006

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I don’t own a TV, I don’t watch movies.. my time is mostly taken up with historical research

I once heard that the Titanic was “unsinkable”. Do you think that more lives could have been saved if everyone wasn’t convinced that a disaster couldn’t happen? The Roman Empire was “too big to fail”. Where is that empire now? Do you remember hearing of the Texas power outage last year? How many of those people thought it couldn’t happen to them?

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Rock on living in fear of the big what if. I certainly won't. Life's too short. I mean, what are you going to do about it when it happens anyway. Just have fun living, do the best you can for others, and call it a day. Living in fear just doesn't cut it.
 

Iwavvns

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Rock on living in fear of the big what if. I certainly won't. Life's too short. I mean, what are you going to do about it when it happens anyway. Just have fun living, do the best you can for others, and call it a day. Living in fear just doesn't cut it.
You’re missing the point. The whole point of having contingency plans, and learning from history, is so that I don’t end up in panic mode when disaster strikes. And, if you think disaster won’t strike, just ask the people who were living in Pompeii when Mount Vesuvius erupted. Of course, they can’t speak to us, but now we know not to live so close to an active volcano because of what we learned through history.
 
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bondr006

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You’re missing the point. The whole point of having contingency plans, and learning from history, is so that I don’t end up in panic mode when disaster strikes. And, if you think disaster won’t strike, just ask the people who were living in Pompeii when Mount Vesuvius erupted. Ohh, wait..
No, you're missing the point. Learning from history is what teaches us to not make the same mistakes again. Reading the news and staying abreast of current world events is what will prepare us for today and the future. I would hate to be the person always looking over their shoulder and living in fear of what might happen, but you do you...
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And I'll be realistic, and a tad bit skeptical;)
 
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sparksd

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Learning from history teaches us to not make the same mistakes again. Reading the news and staying abreast of current world events is what will prepare us for today and the future. I would hate to be the person always looking over there shoulder and living in fear of what might happen, but you do you... View attachment 2388667 View attachment 2388665 View attachment 2388666

And I'll be realistic, and a tad bit skeptical;)

In my eighth decade, seen and lived a lot, I don't get too worked up over what if's.
 

boss.king

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I know that the 2018 iPads Pros are missing a ton of features and functionality and won't be getting Apple Intelligence.
None of the Apple Intelligence features seem very useful in the context of how I use my iPad. On my Mac or phone, maybe, but there's nothing I'm missing out on that I would really even consider using.

Like I said, I'm riding this thing into the ground.
 

Simmias

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To be honest, I’m bored to tears with the iPad OS discourse:
“The software is holding the hardware back.” (Repeat ad nauseum for 6 years as though it’s an original take.)
“Apple cripples the iPad so they can make more money.” (Yes, Tim Cook’s devious plan to increase profits by making their products worse.)
“We need a proper file system.” (No one can actually define what this means.)

That said, THEY COULD HAVE AT LEAST GIVEN US CLAMSHELL MODE THIS YEAR 😭😂

-Signed, Someone who just worked a whole day at my completely typical corporate job on an iPad Pro 11” connected to a Pro Display XDR without a single hitch
 
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boss.king

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The concept of iPads is great.

The concept of iPad Pros is not.

I wish they would fold the features in the Pro into just the iPad and be done with it.
I kind of agree, ideally it would just be picking small, medium, or big and you’re set, but there’s also a need for a budget spec for schools, etc. Although, I guess it could just be an older version of the medium model.

I understand why they do things the way they do, but it’s made such an unwieldy mess of the iPad and Pencil lines.
 

Rafterman

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I kind of agree, ideally it would just be picking small, medium, or big and you’re set, but there’s also a need for a budget spec for schools, etc. Although, I guess it could just be an older version of the medium model.

I understand why they do things the way they do, but it’s made such an unwieldy mess of the iPad and Pencil lines.

Allow people to configure iPads like Macs - put the hardware in you are willing to pay for. Then you would just have the "iPad," ranging from $500ish to $3,000 depending on what you configure it with.
 
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0423MAC

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The iPad line is what it is at this point.

Can it be a primary computing device for the most casual of users? Very possibly, but it is a very narrow group that mostly consumes web-based content, plays casual games, wants a device you can connect a printer to and even have a few creative options at their disposal.

Music production in particular is surprisingly good on the pro models.

What really chaps my ass is that Apple has stubbornly refused to add multi profile support on the iPads. I have posted about this before, but why can't they limit it to just the pro line if they absolutely have to? Considering we just got a calculator app (which looks fantastic tbh)

Hopefully we can get multi profile support in 15 years.
 

Ctrlos

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My friend has had a Porsche 964 for the last 20 years and not once has ever described it as 'boring' despite a lack of exciting softare updates from the manufacturer in a very long time. The iconography on the dashboard hasn't changed in decades and it has never had a storage upgrade option for the trunk.

We are lucky enough to live through a time of constant technological innovation where new ideas and devices are springing up all the time but this has created an expectation that new ideas and devices should be springing up all the time. They don't have to.
 

Sheepish-Lord

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My friend has had a Porsche 964 for the last 20 years and not once has ever described it as 'boring' despite a lack of exciting softare updates from the manufacturer in a very long time. The iconography on the dashboard hasn't changed in decades and it has never had a storage upgrade option for the trunk.
Bad analogy, you can't compare cars to tech. If you buy a GT3 you get all the performance with the driver being the limitation. You buy a $2.5K iPad Pro you get the same software as the $300 iPad meaning the software is the limitation.

You've essentially proven the point a lot of folks feel and that's the iPad Pro is gimped by the software.
 
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Webcat86

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Bad analogy, you can't compare cars to tech. If you buy a GT3 you get all the performance with the driver being the limitation. You buy a $2.5K iPad Pro you get the same software as the $300 iPad meaning the software is the limitation.

You've essentially proven the point a lot of folks feel and that's the iPad Pro is gimped by the software.
Ok, show us running more demanding apps on the $300 iPad and the M4 iPP, to confirm the experience is the same.

And how is your example any different to a base MacBook Air and a fully specced MacBook Pro? It isn't. They run the same software but one of them will reach its limitations earlier than the other.
 

Ctrlos

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Bad analogy, you can't compare cars to tech. If you buy a GT3 you get all the performance with the driver being the limitation. You buy a $2.5K iPad Pro you get the same software as the $300 iPad meaning the software is the limitation.

You've essentially proven the point a lot of folks feel and that's the iPad Pro is gimped by the software.
The point was not to compare capabilities but to merely state that the Porsche is considered a vintage/classic design because it hasn't changed for ages and that people have ridiculous expectations when it comes to consumer electronics.
 

Sheepish-Lord

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Ok, show us running more demanding apps on the $300 iPad and the M4 iPP, to confirm the experience is the same.

And how is your example any different to a base MacBook Air and a fully specced MacBook Pro? It isn't. They run the same software but one of them will reach its limitations earlier than the other.
There’s plenty of videos you can watch to show the only real difference between a current gen iPad and iPad Pro when it comes to real world performance is processing time. Nothing really related to hardware because the OS can’t really multitask (puts background apps to sleep) and the hardware is still a fanless design. iPad is strictly a one-thing-at-time device.

The difference between hardware on a base MBA and MBP is vastly different because of the OS capabilities. Why does the MBP get active cooling when the MBA doesn’t…because the OS can do so much at once “pros” need it. Additionally, the large RAM configs, drive space, etc which the OS can take advantage of that the iPad can’t in similar scenarios.

The iPad is a fun device but once again the OS can’t take full advantage or else you would probably see active cooling.
 

NastyMatt

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There’s plenty of videos you can watch to show the only real difference between a current gen iPad and iPad Pro when it comes to real world performance is processing time. Nothing really related to hardware because the OS can’t really multitask (puts background apps to sleep) and the hardware is still a fanless design. iPad is strictly a one-thing-at-time device.

The difference between hardware on a base MBA and MBP is vastly different because of the OS capabilities. Why does the MBP get active cooling when the MBA doesn’t…because the OS can do so much at once “pros” need it. Additionally, the large RAM configs, drive space, etc which the OS can take advantage of that the iPad can’t in similar scenarios.

The iPad is a fun device but once again the OS can’t take full advantage or else you would probably see active cooling.
I was playing COD mobile (with a controller) last night, while it was plugged into my 34” monitor playing Greyhound (on Apple TV) with it being 21x9 (so no black bars). Ok… maybe that is not productive but it was good.

The only down side was the iPad OLED screen made my monitor look awful!!
 

Webcat86

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There’s plenty of videos you can watch to show the only real difference between a current gen iPad and iPad Pro when it comes to real world performance is processing time. Nothing really related to hardware because the OS can’t really multitask (puts background apps to sleep) and the hardware is still a fanless design. iPad is strictly a one-thing-at-time device.

The difference between hardware on a base MBA and MBP is vastly different because of the OS capabilities. Why does the MBP get active cooling when the MBA doesn’t…because the OS can do so much at once “pros” need it. Additionally, the large RAM configs, drive space, etc which the OS can take advantage of that the iPad can’t in similar scenarios.

The iPad is a fun device but once again the OS can’t take full advantage or else you would probably see active cooling.
I didn't say the OS takes full advantage in the iPad, and I agree it would be nice to see more in this regard.
 

rui no onna

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The iPad line is what it is at this point.

Can it be a primary computing device for the most casual of users? Very possibly, but it is a very narrow group that mostly consumes web-based content, plays casual games, wants a device you can connect a printer to and even have a few creative options at their disposal.

I don’t think it’s a narrow group that can get by with just an iPad. However, most of the casual users are fairly happy using just their smartphones and don’t need to spend extra on a tablet.

I know a lot of folks who don’t own a personal computer or have extremely outdated PCs because they almost never use them.


What really chaps my ass is that Apple has stubbornly refused to add multi profile support on the iPads. I have posted about this before, but why can't they limit it to just the pro line if they absolutely have to? Considering we just got a calculator app (which looks fantastic tbh)

Hopefully we can get multi profile support in 15 years.

Yeah, that’s one of the things I really wish they’d add. They added profiles to Safari but that just isn’t enough.
 
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Abazigal

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Can it be a primary computing device for the most casual of users? Very possibly, but it is a very narrow group that mostly consumes web-based content, plays casual games, wants a device you can connect a printer to and even have a few creative options at their disposal.
That strikes me as being relevant to the majority of users. I think too many people here tend to oversell what the majority of people use their PCs for (it’s very likely just for accessing the web).
 
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Webcat86

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That strikes me as being relevant to the majority of users. I think too many people here tend to oversell what the majority of people use their PCs for (it’s very likely just for accessing the web).
exactly! Most people who work with computers have them issued by the company. They go to the office, use those computers, then come home and use different computers. Those home computers are primarily used for consumption — email, games, web browsing etc.

This idea that the majority of personal computing needs require the functionality of complex tasks is pretty ludicrous.
 
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