All iPads Anyone bored to tears with iPads after WWDC 2024?

[shadowboi]

iPad steadily holds its niche – a large iPhone that cannot make cellular calls.

Technically it is not bad, but it ain’t good either. Everything it can do can be done on Mac or iPhone.

For me it is still just a slate to watch movies and play Minecraft. And since I got MBA I don’t even watch movies on my iPad anymore because Macbook is nicer for that

 

[jayryco]

Apple targets productivity and creativity and it is in these things that the iPad shines - It is a GOOD productivity device and it is a BRILLIANT creativity device.

And in my opinion it can achieve nearly any workflow a MacBook can.

 

[Corefile]

I, personally, would love macOS on iPad. For what I do professionally, and for my hobbies, running macOS natively on iPad would be a perfect fit.

The gap between the iPad OS UI to macOS style UI is what they need to jump. The underlying OS is the same so changing window manager is what's needed. I'd say if you plug in an external display to your iPhone or iPad over USB-C then it should just magically convert. It should be hard to do.

 

[MatthewUT44]

Not half as bored as I am with the conversation around iPads not being good enough.

Why can't people accept that the iPad is its own product line? It is the consumer, not Apple, that has decided the iPad is something else and then gets angry that Apple hasn't made it happen.

Certainly, there are improvements I want to see with the iPad, but ultimately it's a simple question: does it do what you need? If yes, buy it. If no, don't buy it.

What problem is a phone/tablet solving? I mean, you realise that is going in the completely opposite direction to a tablet with MacOS, right?

its okay to criticize a product

 

[MatthewUT44]

No. Will people ever get tired of posting this?

Nope! if you don't like it simply ignore the topic <3

 

[avro707]

Technically it is not bad, but it ain’t good either. Everything it can do can be done on Mac or iPhone.

That's my thoughts too. I have an iPad but don't use it very often these days.

Most things I prefer to do on a Mac desktop or laptop, but the things that need to be done on a very mobile device can be done on my phone.

its okay to criticize a product

Only in two circumstance, when it's a non-Apple product, or when it's an Intel powered Mac Pro 2019.

 

[tweaknmod]

I agree to a point.

I like and use daily and am most definitely not bored with my iPads. I find them extremely useful.

Half the problem is a substantial number of app devs (including apples own apps), treat it as a second class citizen compared to a traditional system, or worse treat it as a large phone.

The other half is as you say, apples reluctance to merge the benefits of the Mac with the benefits of the iPad for some of either line up. Its infuriating, and clearly a decision based on money.

Well said!

I think a review of how the App Store is structured and presented might help. Apps are seen as little $1-10 toys, while applications (semantics, I know) are seen as more functional and fleshed-out, and therefore worth more.

I can imagine it’s hard for a dev to invest time and resources into an app which is seen as less valuable to the public (in general) than their macOS equivalents.

A differentiation in app classes in the App Store - or even an entire sub-store - might help…

Just a thought.

 

[Webcat86]

its okay to criticize a product

What a redundant statement.

I didn't say the product shouldn't be criticised, I said this particular criticism has been done to death and overwhelmingly because of a group of users who have decided that the iPad isn't what they want it to be.

And this very thread is indicative of that. Op said "enthusiasm is long dead" for the iPad, then bought one anyway, then wants to take it back because WWDC was underwhelming. What sort of logic is that? Why buy a product you don't like? And why then blame Apple for not drastically changing that product when they gave precisely zero indication that they would?

It's ridiculous, nonsensical, and frankly deserving of the responses in this thread.

It has absolutely nothing to do with me thinking that the iPad shouldn't be criticised. It's about being balanced in that criticism — don't like the iPad? Fine, tell us why the enthusiasm is long dead and we'll listen. Tell us that you don't like iPads and then bought one anyway and then complain that it's the same product on Tuesday as it was on Monday, and you'll rightfully get some stick for it.

 

[ericwn]

You already have ridden it into the ground. Now is a great time to upgrade to a 2024 iPad Pro.

What nonsense. As if you’d know their use case and requirements.

 

[Bethanie21]

What does ‘borning’ mean? Do you mean boring? And I’d hate a foldable iPhone, it’s such a gimmick!

 

[Richard8655]

I'm never creating a post again. While some of you atleast can appriciate what im trying to say, half of you must think im some war criminal or something lol. Adios

Yeah, this is a pretty tough forum. Many will politely disagree, but unfortunately many can get pretty rude and personal. Enthusiast forums like this tend to be this way. It's happened to me, so I don't post many unorthodox opinions anymore.

Your post was controversial and elicited a lot of intense comments. But there is no right or wrong, rather just opinions. It was good to do, and the more different views here the better I think.

 

[bondr006]

So i watched WWDC and the Apple Intellegence bit and all that, having just recently bought the 11 inch iPad Pro 256 Gig with OLED, and since its still within its return window...its going back.

Heres the thing...WWDC killed any lingering enthusiam i had for iPads in general. I've been using iPads since the first generation and i got to tell you, the magic for me is long dead.

Oh don't get me wrong, they are marvels of technology, considering growing up as a kid, I was a huge Star Trek The Next Generation fan and the idea of a touch screen computer device for real i never actually thought I'd live to see the day it became real, but low and behold, the early Iphones and the first Gen Ipad proved me wrong and even though those products have evolved so much since then, they feel so...Borning.

No matter what tier of iPad you buy, you still cant get as much work done on them as a laptop or desktop...and they really feel to me after all these years like half of what could be a fantastic computer but apple's own stubborness wont let it be what it truly can be.

Like if apple just blended the Ipads and Touch Screen Technology with their mac line, you would have perfect devices. Imagine an Ipad Pro that worked like a laptop when you needed it, then you took it off the keyboard stand and it was a tablet, or a desktop simular to the Imac 4G sunflower with a adjustable rotatable OLED Touch Screen yet still came with a standard keyboard and mouse when you wanted to use it as a desktop machine then it folded down to be used as a drawing/touch interface machine for various projects.

Problem is...APPLE WONT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR STUBBORNESS with the Ipads...they NEED to sell ipads alongside Laptops, desktops and the Phones....

Imagine a iPhone pro that opens into a ipad mini for on the go use...Samsung and other companies have devices like that, its a phone when you need it that opens to a portable tablet! Yes they are expensive and not without their issues, but its possable.

I doubt apple will ever do that because they don't want to canabalize the sales of their Ipad minis....

Why have a Macbook/Ipad Pro device when you can sell two seperate devices.

Honestly, its apple's stubbornness in not putting in touch screen into their computers that just ruins the whole experence for me because now you have a tablet that apple will only let go so far, and Laptops that could be much more but they wont because they need two product lines so they sell more volume.

Ipads are borning now...so are the phones cause their is only so much you can do with them in their current form. I wasn't expecting much from WWDC but they really nurffed the Ipad Pro....

It has a M4 chip in it, no other computer they make has that...and yet, outside of the OLED Screen it does the exact same stuff the older pros did for the past 6 years.

I've tried so hard to tell myself i still love Apple products, but after this WWDC i just cant do it. They are still playing catchup with Android at this point!

I cant be the only one that feels this way. Its so fustrating cause these devices could do so much more, be so much more, yet apple doesnt let them!

More bored with all the iPad whining and complaints. DON'T BUY ONE, or at least do some research before buying one if all you can do is complain about what YOU FEEL it lacks. I mean plenty of good computers and tablets out there that cover all the needs last I looked. I've used my M1 iPP 11 exclusively as my laptop for taking care of my Real Estate business for over 2 years now, and so happy with the experience, I will never be going back.

 

[dumastudetto]

What nonsense. As if you’d know their use case and requirements.

I know that the 2018 iPads Pros are missing a ton of features and functionality and won't be getting Apple Intelligence.

 

[ericwn]

I know that the 2018 iPads Pros are missing a ton of features and functionality and won't be getting Apple Intelligence.

And that has zero to do with the use case or reality of the person you sent this too. What you probably meant was that you would upgrade, but you have a very interesting way to convey that message.

 

[Just_Kevin]

I find that the iPad does exactly what I want and need it to do. It’s a tablet, not a full blown computer. I’ve had it 24 months and use daily for work and personal stuff and still runs like new. Battery is starting to degrade some, not significantly, can still go a full day most days. No Android tablet I’ve had in the past made it to 18 months before I started to get frustrated with it. Edit to add, the Android tablets didn’t get used as heavily either.

 

[Just_Kevin]

Technically it is not bad, but it ain’t good either. Everything it can do can be done on Mac or iPhone.

Not for my use case. I went from having a cabinet full of 3-Ring Binders for each product I teach to an iPad and Apple Pencil. I can import pdf files and take notes just like I could on a hard copy. On a device about the size of a traditional notebook. Can’t do that on a phone or laptop.

 

[AlumaMac]

Agree with OP. Only reason I still have my M1 Pro is because the resale value on iPads is terrible.

 

[dumastudetto]

And that has zero to do with the use case or reality of the person you sent this too. What you probably meant was that you would upgrade, but you have a very interesting way to convey that message.

I truly believe... if you don't have an M series iPad Pro today, you should be upgrading to one. Literally everything is better about the 2024 iPads Pros versus the 2018 models.

 

[richpjr]

And in my opinion it can achieve nearly any workflow a MacBook can.

Different strokes. In my opinion it is a long way from achieving an awful lot of complicated workflows. You are one of the lucky ones in that it works for you.

 

[Elusi]

A bit underwhelmed. I keep hoping for the keyboard dock to make sense for me which would require them to hybridize the OS more and unlock some feature such as OS-level sound mixing, control over which apps that get kept in RAM etc.

But, no. Nothing on that front. Oh well. I'm fine with the MBA.

I did think they showed enough cool new pencil things for me to order an open-box Pencil 2 finally.

 

[Iwavvns]

Haha, absolutely not. It's still getting the new OS and does everything I need it to do, and there's nothing new that 2024 Pros do that justifies the price for me, especially now that I have an Apple Silicon Mac.

And, even if it didn’t get new updates, that device is still capable of doing the exact same things that it did the day you bought it. My iPad 9th generation will likely last the next 20 years, as long as I can keep getting batteries for it.

As you might have guessed by now, marketing departments hate people like me.. it’s not easy to sell me my own shoes.

 

[Webcat86]

And, even if it didn’t get new updates, that device is still capable of doing the exact same things that it did the day you bought it. My iPad 9th generation will likely last the next 20 years, as long as I can keep getting batteries for it.

As you might have guessed by now, marketing departments hate people like me.. it’s not easy to sell me my own shoes.

are you still on dial-up internet and a tube TV?

 

[Iwavvns]

I know that the 2018 iPads Pros are missing a ton of features and functionality and won't be getting Apple Intelligence.

Much of the features that we see lately are nothing more than taking work away from our brains.. which makes our brain work less, and that is not a good thing. if we take all of the work away from our brain and put it on technology, what happens when that technology suddenly disappears through catastrophe or disaster? AI-enhanced technology is only going to create a society wherein mankind can no longer take care of itself. I saw this firsthand last year when our neighborhood lost power for most of the day, my roommates couldn’t function when their Apple devices no longer functioned. Relying too much on technology is a weakness, a weakness that anyone can easily exploit to control the population.

Apple Intelligence is nothing more than apple branded AI, and AI is nothing more than gathering information from the Internet - which was populated by people.

Do you really want to live in society where you are told what to do by machines? Because, in case you haven’t been paying attention, that is where we are slowly headed.. and people are eating it up like a chocolate eclair..

 

[GMShadow]

This is where the criticisms really are justified and it's one of those things that I imagine would be different under Jobs — Apple needs to be working with these developers to get those third-party apps shining as examples of what's possible. They do this very well with the gaming.

Apple can't make Adobe not be terrible.

If you'll notice, Apple stopped inviting Adobe to product or OS launches years ago, because for years prior Adobe would send someone on stage to show how a new API or tech would actually improve their product, and then when the feature launched Adobe would make a comment about how they never had any intention of supporting it and that you were stupid for thinking they would.

Likewise, they can't make Microsoft not be terrible either.

 

[Webcat86]

Much of the features that we see lately are nothing more than taking work away from our brains.. which makes our brain work less, and that is not a good thing. if we take all of the work away from our brain and put it on technology, what happens when that technology suddenly disappears through catastrophe or disaster? AI-enhanced technology is only going to create a society wherein mankind can no longer take care of itself. I saw this firsthand last year when our neighborhood lost power for most of the day, my roommates couldn’t function when their Apple devices no longer functioned. Relying too much on technology is a weakness, a weakness that anyone can easily exploit to control the population.

Apple Intelligence is nothing more than apple branded AI, and AI is nothing more than gathering information from the Internet - which was populated by people.

Do you really want to live in society where you are told what to do by machines? Because, in case you haven’t been paying attention, that is where we are slowly headed.. and people are eating it up like a chocolate eclair..

I share this concern and would like to see more people talk about it, to be honest.

Apparently ChatGPT went down for a while last week and my Twitter feed had multiple people admitting they weren't really sure what to do now, because they outsourced way too many tasks to it. Tasks that previously required original thought — which are usually pretty essential to being employable and productive.

I welcome certain features, like the new features in Mail, but AI is something we should be treating with far more caution than we are.

Apple can't make Adobe not be terrible.

If you'll notice, Apple stopped inviting Adobe to product or OS launches years ago, because for years prior Adobe would send someone on stage to show how a new API or tech would actually improve their product, and then when the feature launched Adobe would make a comment about how they never had any intention of supporting it and that you were stupid for thinking they would.

Likewise, they can't make Microsoft not be terrible either.

True. But to hell with those guys then. Apple could, and should, court other developers to make best-in-class apps for the iPad. Abode and MS might very well feel forced to up their game too.