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Add another to the growing list of those who agree with me that they look feminine.

This is quite the hole I’m digging. …

It is. You seem to perceive femininity, or whatever, in a negative light. Half the country are female, and you would not be here without one of them. I mean, you are welcome to have an aversion to such things, but do not expect the rest of us to be on board with it or express approval of your sentiments. Trying to be masculine all the time will make your life miserable and probably a little shorter. Even if they "look feminine" (or not) they are still functional and useful.
 
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I can just see this scenario working out at Apple HQ between T.C. and the head of R&D:
Tim C: Ah...the new iMacs! What colors are you thinking and what is your projection in terms of sales in terms of men/women, old/young, professional vs casual user?

R&D: Ah...but Tim, that’s the good news I have for you. Color doesn’t matter. We can color them pink, black, green, brown, polka dots and guess what? They will all sell equally across all demographics.

Tim C: Note to self - “Cut R&D and advertising budgets! We’ve been doing this all wrong!
I just love fanfic! I hope this doesn’t offend you, but this story seems a bit dry. Might I suggest creating a bit more atmosphere and character? How about this?

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Apple Campus. The week before Easter. The Campus finally has some people back at work after getting fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

Tim C. storms into the R&D dungeon, catching everybody off-guard. He is not wearing his glasses, instead holding them in one hand that he waves around while yelling, while the other hand is tightly gripping what looks to be a handful of C. Federighi’s hair. J. Srouji hastily stops a comedy routine he’d been trying out on the staff, takes off a pair of AR-enabled Groucho glasses and tries to hide them under a sheet on his work table, then rushes to meet Tim C. In a far corner of the dungeon, you can hear J. Ternus shouting “not again!” as he takes off his shirt and tries to smother flaming equipment on a table marked “AirPower charger, Mk. 83.”

Tim C: “I’ve been looking around Apple Campus and every Mac is gray.… gray gray gray… I’m sick of it!”

J. Srouji: “Sir, this is hardware technologies and engineering… we generally don’t get into colors of Macs one way or another….”

Tim C: “I don’t want to hear it! I want ideas, NOW! I’m not going to let you off as easy as Craig….”

J. Srouji looks at the tuft of hair in Tim C.’s hand and shudders. He looks around, panicked. Not far from the makeshift theater he setup for his Marx Brothers AR routine, he spots the table the iPod touch team had been using. As usual, that “team” was doing anything EXCEPT their job. On the table was an apparatus they’d setup for dying their kids’ Easter eggs. At that moment, J. Srouji saw his only chance. He grabbed the egg carton full of freshly-dyed eggs… Blue, green, pink, orange, yellow, purple, all in slightly-washed out, pastel hues.

J. Srouji: “Oh, you mean THESE colors?”

Tim C: “Did Craig tell you I was coming? How did you get these colors picked so fast?”

J. Srouji: “……”

Tim C: “Never mind that. These are perfect, and just in time for spring!”

He dropped the handful of perfectly coiffed gray hair onto the dungeon floor, and calmly placed his glasses on his face. The entire room seemed ready to breathe a sigh of relief until a voice came from a guy nobody remembered walking in…

Random dude: “I don’t work here, was just on the tour and got lost looking for the bathroom, but…. does anybody else think those colors look, for lack of a better word, ‘feminine’?”

The room becomes eerily silent. The tension in the air is palpable as nobody dares speak or even move.

Just then, J. Ternus notices something about where the random dude is standing in the room. Having extinguished the latest flaming attempt at AirPower, he catches Tim C.‘s eye, shoots him a knowing glance, then walks over to him and hands him the all-new Apple TV Siri remote and says “Would you like to do the honors?” Tim C. smiles, calmly takes the remote, pushes the button that’s now quite easy to find simply by feel (compared to the old remote), and a previously unnoticed trap door suddenly opens beneath the random dude. He disappears, screaming, into the darkness below.

Tim C: “Love the colors, everybody. Keep up the good work!”

Scene.
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I can see many companies choosing them for their workplace, with colors based in their corporate logos and signage. What IS the traditional office workplace now ? And why should it be dominated by “masculine” blacks, greys and beige ?
Oh, I agree. My firms color is purple and I could absolutely see the buying these for the front desks, but they buy cheap PCs.

I myself am a boring person and prefer dark grey. I am glad Apple is doing color, I just find the lack of space gray a bit curious. But it’s obviously a ploy to push people to the larger model or to differentiate it.
 
I just love fanfic! I hope this doesn’t offend you, but this story seems a bit dry. Might I suggest creating a bit more atmosphere and character? How about this?

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Apple Campus. The week before Easter. The Campus finally has some people back at work after getting fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

Tim C. storms into the R&D dungeon, catching everybody off-guard. He is not wearing his glasses, instead holding them in one hand that he waves around while yelling, while the other hand is tightly gripping what looks to be a handful of C. Federighi’s hair. J. Srouji hastily stops a comedy routine he’d been trying out on the staff, takes off a pair of AR-enabled Groucho glasses and tries to hide them under a sheet on his work table, then rushes to meet Tim C. In a far corner of the dungeon, you can hear J. Ternus shouting “not again!” as he takes off his shirt and tries to smother flaming equipment on a table marked “AirPower charger, Mk. 83.”

Tim C: “I’ve been looking around Apple Campus and every Mac is gray.… gray gray gray… I’m sick of it!”

J. Srouji: “Sir, this is hardware technologies and engineering… we generally don’t get into colors of Macs one way or another….”

Tim C: “I don’t want to hear it! I want ideas, NOW! I’m not going to let you off as easy as Craig….”

J. Srouji looks at the tuft of hair in Tim C.’s hand and shudders. He looks around, panicked. Not far from the makeshift theater he setup for his Marx Brothers AR routine, he spots the table the iPod touch team had been using. As usual, that “team” was doing anything EXCEPT their job. On the table was an apparatus they’d setup for dying their kids’ Easter eggs. At that moment, J. Srouji saw his only chance. He grabbed the egg carton full of freshly-dyed eggs… Blue, green, pink, orange, yellow, purple, all in slightly-washed out, pastel hues.

J. Srouji: “Oh, you mean THESE colors?”

Tim C: “Did Craig tell you I was coming? How did you get these colors picked so fast?”

J. Srouji: “……”

Tim C: “Never mind that. These are perfect, and just in time for spring!”

He dropped the handful of perfectly coiffed gray hair onto the dungeon floor, and calmly placed his glasses on his face. The entire room seemed ready to breathe a sigh of relief until a voice came from a guy nobody remembered walking in…

Random dude: “I don’t work here, was just on the tour and got lost looking for the bathroom, but…. does anybody else think those colors look, for lack of a better word, ‘feminine’?”

The room becomes eerily silent. The tension in the air is palpable as nobody dares speak or even move.

Just then, J. Ternus notices something about where the random dude is standing in the room. Having extinguished the latest flaming attempt at AirPower, he catches Tim C.‘s eye, shoots him a knowing glance, then walks over to him and hands him the all-new Apple TV Siri remote and says “Would you like to do the honors?” Tim C. smiles, calmly takes the remote, pushes the button that’s now quite easy to find simply by feel (compared to the old remote), and a previously unnoticed trap door suddenly opens beneath the random dude. He disappears, screaming, into the darkness below.

Tim C: “Love the colors, everybody. Keep up the good work!”

Scene.
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👏. Well done!!
 
I don't think anyone can deny it's different from what we've been seeing recently from Apple from the standpoint of color.

I personally like the green. I am leaning toward buying one. I don't really think people will think I'm feminine when they visit my place and see it.

Apple has been really good at setting the stage or "theme" when it comes to design- including colors. Apple does something new and everyone else follows. It's like a copycat.

Think smartphones, computers, imessage...you see similar style designs in non-Apple products and services.

I wouldn't be surprised if these pastel-like bright colors becomes a theme across the board everywhere we look in the near future. Could it be a flop? Sure. But I really don't think it's that bad. I actually kind of like it. Hopefully that doesn't make me "feminine" to some. At the end of the day, if you like it you can buy it and enjoy it. Nobody really cares what color your computer is. If you hate it and it's not for you, maybe the silver color is a better choice, as it appears more neutral. Maybe you can put a skin on it or something. Maybe you can buy a previous generation iMac and even get a discount somewhere. Plenty of options out there. Just do you.
 
I do think the new iMacs look traditionally “feminine,” in that their front facing part is pastel, less saturated colors. It’s more warm and inviting than the pure industrial look
I do believe the colors will be appealing more to a female audience.

As for the form factor, they don‘t. Female forms and shapes are mostly associated or depicted as having curves. The new iMac though is much flatter and has more straight lines than the old one (stand and backside).

So in form factor they look more masculine to me.
 
Me, watching a bunch of you still arguing over constructions of “masculine” and “feminine” and the language of gender, as applied to industrial product design:
 

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I don't think anyone can deny it's different from what we've been seeing recently from Apple from the standpoint of color.

I personally like the green. I am leaning toward buying one. I don't really think people will think I'm feminine when they visit my place and see it.

Apple has been really good at setting the stage or "theme" when it comes to design- including colors. Apple does something new and everyone else follows. It's like a copycat.

Think smartphones, computers, imessage...you see similar style designs in non-Apple products and services.

I wouldn't be surprised if these pastel-like bright colors becomes a theme across the board everywhere we look in the near future. Could it be a flop? Sure. But I really don't think it's that bad. I actually kind of like it. Hopefully that doesn't make me "feminine" to some. At the end of the day, if you like it you can buy it and enjoy it. Nobody really cares what color your computer is. If you hate it and it's not for you, maybe the silver color is a better choice, as it appears more neutral. Maybe you can put a skin on it or something. Maybe you can buy a previous generation iMac and even get a discount somewhere. Plenty of options out there. Just do you.

pastels have actually been incredibly popular across the design spectrum the last 3 or 4 years. If anything apple is following rather than setting a trend here.
 
Yeah it seems Apple would make the new iMac essentially a large consumer product for basic activities like free time, education and office work.
The product showed some hours ago is no longer a professional machine both in marketing presentation and in hardware configuration.
The variety of colors isn't a problem.
The problem is a horrible design, limited hardware potentiality and no possibility to upgrade later by user or to repair by third party suppliers.
And if you choose the entry level iMac with 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD (estimated 150 TBW) prepare yourself to throw it into the trash can in a couple of years.
In my personal opinion it's literally a plastic toy and a waste of money.
Yes but I think you are missing the point. The iMac has now been repositioned as a family machine (albeit for an Apple family - ie the sort of people who live in massive houses, look beautiful, and have loads of money).

If you want more then you will have to pay more - when they launch the range of iMac Pro machines later in the year. You'll get your silver boxes then!
 
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Wrong. I think these iMacs look girly. And I'm sure many others do as well.
Dude .... you think if you had a space grey iMac it will make you less/more "Girly"/"Manly" ? maybe you think a red or yellow Ferrari is targeting girls as well ? or an Orange Mclaren ? colors are great ! why would you want everything to be black/grey ? crazy to me ....

Also as a side note , in what society do you live in , where computers are considered manly , and the fact they have color makes them girly ? if anything computers in general are not associated with the "manly" description of our current societies.

Maybe kids who play in world of warcraft needs to have their computer black with RGB lightning to feel like they are real ORCS!!!! but I never considered adults to be so sensitive to colors.
 
Could you point us to some err... 'masculine looking' computers?
Gaming laptops...

But I’m not getting caught up in an debate of political correctness when referring to computers so I retract the use of the word masculine...

The new iMacs look like children’s toys made by Fisher-Price
 
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Yes but I think you are missing the point. The iMac has now been repositioned as a family machine (albeit for an Apple family - ie the sort of people who live in massive houses, look beautiful, and have loads of money).

If you want more then you will have to pay more - when they launch the range of iMac Pro machines later in the year. You'll get your silver boxes then!
Yeah I hope you're right.
Anyway, I'm highly suspicious about the next high-end iMac.
Actually the chip soldered on iMac is exactly the same of Mac Mini, MBA and iPad so they have the same performance.
The maximum memory is 16 GB and with high-end iMac maybe we can expect up to 32 GB but in any case they aren't professional machines with these specs.
And about the soldered storage with 256 GB SSD you have an estimated 150 TBW; with 512 GB SSD about 300 TBW.
So if you choose the last size you can hope for a five-year period of useful life.
Even if you use cloud storage for big files, the OS for its basic functions writes a large amount of data.
With 1TB SSD or more you can hope for a decade of useful life but you have to pay the Apple tax for storage upgrade.
In 2021 these hardware limitation are simply unacceptable.
 
In terms of colours, I'm not overly keen on them to be honest but I'm glad that they offer a choice to those that do. For me it'll be the 'silver' all the way. I'm more concerned about what's on the inside. Maybe a good lesson there for all of us in a world often overly obsessed just with what things look like on the outside!
 
Actually the chip soldered on iMac is exactly the same of Mac Mini, MBA and iPad so they have the same performance.

Sure, it's an entry-level chip for entry-level machines (home user, students, business etc.). Its more than fast enough at it allows Apple to achieve economy of scale.

Anyway, I'm highly suspicious about the next high-end iMac. [...] The maximum memory is 16 GB and with high-end iMac maybe we can expect up to 32 GB but in any case they aren't professional machines with these specs.

What are you basing this on? Apple has not released any details pertaining to their prosumer/professional oriented Appel Silicon chips. You can't just look at M1 with i's limitation of 16Gb per package and extrapolate from it. The prosumer chip might be an SoC or it might be an SiP, it might use four or more LPDDR5/DDR5 chips (an 256-bit memory config would potentially allow up to 64GB with current densities AFAIK).

And about the soldered storage with 256 GB SSD you have an estimated 150 TBW; with 512 GB SSD about 300 TBW.
Again, what are you basing this on? Do you have any reliable information about the endurance of Apple SSDs?

So if you choose the last size you can hope for a five-year period of useful life.
Yes, five years of useful life sounds about right for a modern computer. Whether it will last longer will mostly depend on how lucky you are, SSD or not.

In 2021 these hardware limitation are simply unacceptable.

Which hardware limitation?
 
Which hardware limitation?

It is a hardware limitation that no components, as they fail, may be replaced by any party — be it an end-user, a repair technician, or Apple. The lifetime of the entire product is dependent on any single point of failure not occurring. Most acutely, the internal component most likely to fail for most units is the soldered SSD.
 
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I do believe the colors will be appealing more to a female audience.

As for the form factor, they don‘t. Female forms and shapes are mostly associated or depicted as having curves. The new iMac though is much flatter and has more straight lines than the old one (stand and backside).

So in form factor they look more masculine to me.
And let the fireworks begin....the apparently taboo words masculine and female were used to describe the iMacs:)
 
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Sure, it's an entry-level chip for entry-level machines (home user, students, business etc.). Its more than fast enough at it allows Apple to achieve economy of scale.



What are you basing this on? Apple has not released any details pertaining to their prosumer/professional oriented Appel Silicon chips. You can't just look at M1 with i's limitation of 16Gb per package and extrapolate from it. The prosumer chip might be an SoC or it might be an SiP, it might use four or more LPDDR5/DDR5 chips (an 256-bit memory config would potentially allow up to 64GB with current densities AFAIK).


Again, what are you basing this on? Do you have any reliable information about the endurance of Apple SSDs?


Yes, five years of useful life sounds about right for a modern computer. Whether it will last longer will mostly depend on how lucky you are, SSD or not.



Which hardware limitation?
Based on Apple policy and Apple tax about memory and storage, I don't think we will see more than 32 GB of RAM in these expected high-end iMac (we don't even know if this line will be showed).
About Apple SSD, its suppliers (Samsung, Toshiba etc.) declare that TBW for the MLC type and others suppliers (like Micron) declare even less TBW so the estimated average TBW is that I have written before.
In 2021 would you really purchase a soldered 256/512 GB SSD?
You think that a five-year period of useful life is good for a computer. Well, after the expired date of SSD you can literally throw the entire machine into the trash can because it's unusable and you can't resell it.
Pay attention to environment is also about the possibility of a circular economy.
For the answer about hardware limitation I quote the reply of the user @B S Magnet
It is a hardware limitation that no components, as they fail, may be replaced by any party — be it an end-user, a repair technician, or Apple. The lifetime of the entire product is dependent on any single point of failure not occurring. Most acutely, the internal component most likely to fail for most units is the soldered SSD.
 
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