Really? Could you point us out a link somewhere else than https://apps.apple.com/us/app/netflix/id363590051 where it can be downloaded? Thanks!
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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline
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Really? Could you point us out a link somewhere else than https://apps.apple.com/us/app/netflix/id363590051 where it can be downloaded? Thanks!
Good point.
Maybe Apple should do the same then, and give back to developers of successful apps?
Oh wait... that's exactly what they're doing with Apple Arcade!?
It is not Apple's fault that Microsoft's smart phone failed miserably due to really bad decisions like this one!
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Netflix app is free not one to be purchased. This topic is about buying apps, not free apps.
But even still, at what URL can I download and install it on an iDevice without getting it from the App Store? I just visited the Netflix website just in case I'm wrong about this and item 1 in their list for getting it on iOS devices is as follows...
Well, you could read the DMA for yourself, couldn't you?
It shouldn't come as any surprise, given how creative Apple usually gets at circumventing taxes and regulation when it doesn't suit them. Just as it is foreseeable (and kind of amusing) how some decry every little piece of government regulating competition and markets as "Communism!" - like an involuntary knee-jerk reaction (I have a hunch it's also a good indicator of which country these users grew up, live and work in).
While we are at predictions: The DMA also explicitly allows gatekeepers to take "strictly necessary and proportionate" security measures if "duly justified". I'll have little doubt that the EU and Apple could interpret these very differently - and it may end up in a court of law.
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Yes the Netflix app is free... as is the Kindle app you referenced earlier.
The CONTENT of both has fees but both apps are free... and only available for direct download from the App Store.
This legislation is about money... specifically, about allowing consumers to pay for apps and in-app purchases from places other than ONLY the Apple App Store. There is no competition at all for iOS app purchases. If you want an iOS app, you buy it from ONE SINGLE seller: Apple... who then immediately takes a sizable cut off the top for themselves.
The EU decided to facilitate Mac-like app purchasing competition. So just as one can purchase many Mac apps in the Mac App Store (cutting Apple in for a commission) or direct from the app creator or in various bundle offers for peanuts, etc. the EU law is making it possible for app makers to sell iOS apps in Mac-like app ways WITHIN the EU.
Personally, I've been a Mac user for farrrrrrrrrr longer than an iDevice user and the bulk of the apps I've purchased for many Macs over the years have been via this kind of transaction (NOT through an Apple-controlled store). No problems. No consequences. No viral bombs, no ransomware, no trojans, no bricked Macs, etc. Bank accounts have not be robbed. Home is still in my name. Etc.
This will play out the same way. We all already know this if we've ever purchased Mac apps from sources other than the Apple Mac store... which is, in itself, a relatively new creation... so perhaps only fairly new Mac owners wouldn't know they have the consumer flexility to buy Mac apps from many sources... not exclusive from only the Apple Mac app store. If they don't but are reading this, they've just learned they do... and that there are MANY great Mac apps out there if they want to do some shopping beyond the one store.
Can that flexibility go wrong? Yes. But it is typically a minimal amount of people who ever have a problem. Many- like me- have > 20 years of buying Mac apps from sources other than Apple with no issues. Within the EU, this will almost certainly be the same experience for their iDevice users. We will all see this together soon, as this article says Apple is complying with the law... so we'll easily see the disaster or no disaster in 2024.
The CONTENT of both has fees but both apps are free... and only available for direct download from the App Store.
This legislation is about money... specifically, about allowing consumers to pay for apps and in-app purchases from places other than ONLY the Apple App Store. There is no competition at all for iOS app purchases. If you want an iOS app, you buy it from ONE SINGLE seller: Apple... who then immediately takes a sizable cut off the top for themselves.
The EU decided to facilitate Mac-like app purchasing competition. So just as one can purchase many Mac apps in the Mac App Store (cutting Apple in for a commission) or direct from the app creator or in various bundle offers for peanuts, etc. the EU law is making it possible for app makers to sell iOS apps in Mac-like app ways WITHIN the EU.
Personally, I've been a Mac user for farrrrrrrrrr longer than an iDevice user and the bulk of the apps I've purchased for many Macs over the years have been via this kind of transaction (NOT through an Apple-controlled store). No problems. No consequences. No viral bombs, no ransomware, no trojans, no bricked Macs, etc. Bank accounts have not be robbed. Home is still in my name. Etc.
This will play out the same way. We all already know this if we've ever purchased Mac apps from sources other than the Apple Mac store... which is, in itself, a relatively new creation... so perhaps only fairly new Mac owners wouldn't know they have the consumer flexility to buy Mac apps from many sources... not exclusive from only the Apple Mac app store. If they don't but are reading this, they've just learned they do... and that there are MANY great Mac apps out there if they want to do some shopping beyond the one store.
Can that flexibility go wrong? Yes. But it is typically a minimal amount of people who ever have a problem. Many- like me- have > 20 years of buying Mac apps from sources other than Apple with no issues. Within the EU, this will almost certainly be the same experience for their iDevice users. We will all see this together soon, as this article says Apple is complying with the law... so we'll easily see the disaster or no disaster in 2024.
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you mean standing up for people like Microsoft/Epic to run their own stores so that they can cut Apple out of the 30% fees and increase their own profits.
Epic Games Store takes 12% - not up to 30%.
I've got no problem with Epic increasing their profits by taking a small share from Apple's pie.
I'd also have no problem with Apple decreasing their commission rate to a more competitive 15% (regardless of app/developer revenue) to preempt that.
Lower commission can and allow for lower consumer prices. Will they for every app or game? Probably not. But they'll allow for it.
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I don’t run Antivirus on my Mac. I have Office running on my Mac which was downloaded from Microsoft, works fine. Creative Cloud downloaded from Adobe works fine. Resolve from Blackmagic works fine. Affinity Suite 2 downloaded from Affinity (the AppStore version takes ages to load). My Mac is fine.
You do if the apps you want to use pull out of the App Store and are only available via sideload or third party store.
Why would they leave - as long as Apple provides fair Store rules and charges competitive commissions?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Does Microsoft & Epic make their software or does Apple?
Through their lens, they might re-word your comment to something like "instead of Apple cutting a first-in-line 30% fee right off the top- before even us, the creators of our apps- to increase their own profits..."
I don't see a way to cast the creators of apps as the "greedy" ones. It is their creations... and "as is" Apple is taking first bite of the revenue pie... a BIG bite.
While I'm generally an Apple guy- own lots of Apple stuff- I favor the creators of apps getting first bite of the profit apple in sales of their own creations. Does Apple deserve something for running a good store? Sure, something. Should that be as high as 30% right off the top? I would argue NO- that seems quite excessive to me.
However, whether one agrees or not, if a Microsoft or Epic sees up to 30% cuts as sufficiently valuable to sales of their apps, then they keep selling their apps there. If they don't feel whatever they get for that cut as worth it, then yes, maybe they opt to sell their apps direct and keep up to all that, sizable cut for themselves... the creators of those apps.
If app buyers believe Apple deserves their cut, they can keep doing transactions through the Apple store... and refuse to buy apps that are not there. Those who feel differently can simply buy the very same app- sometimes excluded from the Apple store because Apple just decides to exclude apps for whatever reason- for the same, more or less cost to that consumer.
Robust competition serves the interests of consumers. No competition enriches the lone seller.
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Just use others apps then - alternatives that are available through Apple's App Store.
Give it a year after this is introduced, and you will all be complaining it's limited to the EU.
I personally believe this is the EU flexing their muscles, and will lead to ever more concessions.
As the EU looks to reduce reliance on American IP etc, and also looks to reduce civil rights to things like privacy.
What is interesting is that the EU themselves have a protectionist market area.
Can we expect the EU to drop all its tax borders and allow anyone to simply travel through freely as they wish ?
As the EU looks to reduce reliance on American IP etc, and also looks to reduce civil rights to things like privacy.
What is interesting is that the EU themselves have a protectionist market area.
Can we expect the EU to drop all its tax borders and allow anyone to simply travel through freely as they wish ?
FYI: the Epic Games Store doesn't make a profit. So 12% is a calculated way to lose money and try to gain market share rather than a viable way to run a profitable store.
Epic Games Store still hasn't turned a profit
The Epic Games Store still isn't turning a profit.
www.eurogamer.net
"As reported by The Verge, the exec was talking during the current Epic vs Google court case. Here, Allison said while the Epic Games Store still isn't profitable, the company's focus remains on "growth". Additionally, according to emails shared during the trial, Epic had hoped to claim half of all gaming revenue for PC games."
The United States of America, their three-letter agencies and their capitalist "oh so free" online advertising and user profiling industries are the greatest threats to online/computer user privacy.
Whereas the EU has introduced one of the stronger data protection regulations in the world.
(Though I agree that their recurring surveillance law proposals are worrisome - but that comes basically from other branches of government. Law enforcement and intelligent, not competition regulators).
So you're claiming that by giving you more choice, that pesky EU is taking your choice away.
For your next trick, could you argue that down is up, or black is white.
That's the same EU that refused to treat privacy/security as a competitive feature in mobile computing.