App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline

[mrochester]

Yet capitalism and free markets can also lead to monopolies or duopolies - where consumers do not have a (or much) choice which product or service to buy and use. Where consumers are deprived of that power.

It's a failure of capitalism that isn't uncommon - that's why most governments in the world have competition law and competition regulatores.

I agree, but regulators aren’t doing anything to increase that competition here.

 

[Onelifenofear]

Real simple.

When the phone is setup the user is given the choice of Apple ecosystem or third party. Choose the later and you can Sideload and do what the hell you want… but none of the Apple stuff works. AppStore etc

Also the side load apps will have zip all access to the Apple sdk…

 

[AppliedMicro]

Sad day for EU consumers that want a one stop shop and bought into the ecosystem with open eyes.

Now it’s going to become the same Balkanized nonsense that Android is.

The App Store will go nowhere, and legitimate apps can be on the App Store. Consumers can still buy all of their apps from Apple’s trusted App Store, if they desire so.

👉 Why should any app legitimate and trustworthy app want to leave Apple‘s App Store - as long as Apple provides fair rules and charges competitive commissions?

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

We'd be fine over here. No country is stupid enough to try to attack us.

The US education system. Finest in the world.

 

[JohannesO]

What has to change for Siri and Facetime to meet EU requirements?

 

[Jim Lahey]

At this point in time there can be little remaining doubt that Apple will and likely already does comply with any and all state demands where it has, or can design, the technical capability to do so.

It’s touching that folk still think politicians look out for the best interests of the proletariat, but in my mind anyone living in a 5-eyes nation should be hearing a massive klaxon going off in their head right about now.

 

[trip1ex]

Correct! And therein is the capitalism benefit for the buyers: let robust competition pressure prices DOWN vs. say implement and even fool buyers into evangelizing one lone source of a supply of anything so that there is NO competition... which pretty much always results in that lone supplier/controller getting very, very rich.

Competition is good for consumers. It's about ALL we have in the whole buy:sell proposition to get pricing moving to favor us short of the ultimate card to play: "just say NO" (to the purchase). And for that to work well, MANY of us have to do it together.

No competition is ever good for consumers. Seller will get insanely rich though.

yep except Apple isn't exactly the lone supplier as far as purchasing goes.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

ABBYY FineReader PDF for Mac for USD 47.91 (plus tax) in 2021.
Mountain Duck for USD 8.00 in 2022.
Network Radar for USD 2.50 in 2023.

As another notable example (that I don't use personally), you can subscribe to loads of apps for a USD 9.99 SetApp subscription per Mac - a pricing model that Apple doesn't allow on their store.

I just looked up all three:

ABBYY FineReader: Direct download cost $69, App Store Cost, $69.99
Mountain Duck: Direct download cost $39, App Store Cost $39.99
Network Radar: Direct Download Cost $29.99, App Store Cost $29.99

Is this the case you're making?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

It's still not clear to me how this will work in relation to sideloading. Apple doesn't do geofencing like Android, you can access whichever app store you choose. The only real barrier is requiring a local payment method for paid apps.

Apple does geofence some of their features as required by those regions. I would imagine this would be a similar situation where geofencing would be required. Going to be a bit of a pain for those developers that want to have an app for iOS and iPadOS. I’m guessing if they buy an app for iPadOS it won’t be able to just “be available” iOS unless the developer makes it available separately for iOS.

 

[wilhoitm]

If you live in the European Union (EU) in the famous words of Marie-Antoinette, “Let Them Eat Cake!”.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

yep except Apple isn't exactly the lone supplier as far as purchasing goes.

What’s one example of an iOS app- not app content- I can buy from somewhere else and easily install in my iDevice? I presume you mean without a developer account sideload or hacking some kind of Cydia-like store onto it.

 

[thatguywill]

Good on the EU for standing up for consumers over companies/profits! 👏🏻 We (US) have completely succumbed to corporate control and profit over absolutely everything else.

I wish more people could see this

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I’m torn. On one hand, collaboration and somewhat open environments can be a huge help. On the other, it does somewhat feel like forcing a company to share all of its research, investment and effort with others.

I guess I have no opinion. I’m guessing Apple will be fine, and even if I don’t know how to feel about them being forced, maybe it will end up better for everyone in general in the long run.

It could yield a significant number of additional iPhone purchases. Especially since one of the use cases for Android was “not having to use an App Store”. If the iPhone has that, then many that are buying Samsung devices because they’re the most Apple Android devices can just buy the Apple device.

If in 5 years, Apple’s device share grows by 20% or more, putting MORE of the EU’s citizens on the iPhone and, thus, driving additional profits to Apple (while simultaneously not bringing any new hardware/software vendors to the market), then success? Though, I don’t expect the regulators had in mind “we need more folks buying iPhones!”

 

[trip1ex]

What’s one example of an iOS app I can buy from somewhere else and easily install in my iDevice? I presume you mean without a developer account sideload.

Netflix.

 

[AppliedMicro]

I just looked up all three:

ABBYY FineReader: Direct download cost $69, App Store Cost, $69.99
Mountain Duck: Direct download cost $39, App Store Cost $39.99
Network Radar: Direct Download Cost $29.99, App Store Cost $29.99

I bought them at (the quoted by me above) promotional prices - which were unavailable on Apple's App Store.

 

[gatorvet96]

You've never needed an App Store on your computer to ensure your security or privacy.

Simply NOT true. Why do you think people need to install antivirus,antimalware software onto their computer.

And by the way, Apple has done an extremely bad job at preventing malicious and fake apps in the past.

Far better than on android where piracy runs rampant.

How are so many people that love to go on about the importance of freedom so hell-bent on defending the corset Apple forces them into?

I guess too many people drank the Apple Kool-Aid.

Apple is far from perfect, but many of your statements don't look at reality.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

I bought them at (the quoted by me above) promotional prices - which were unavailable on Apple's App Store.

Sure. Gotcha

 

[wilhoitm]

However embarrassing it is, i agree with you here. Its to bad we cant regulate our own capitalistic economy. Clearly those in power are the companies that need to be regulated. (corrupt government) ......... Its well know fact you cant have capitalism with out proper regulation.

But you are missing the point! Who then regulates the corrupt Government! And don't say the people! You know the people are just sheep at the Government's beck and call. Have you see the tax bill for people in the EU?

 

[AppliedMicro]

Real simple.

When the phone is setup the user is given the choice of Apple ecosystem or third party. Choose the later and you can Sideload and do what the hell you want… but none of the Apple stuff works. AppStore etc

Also the side load apps will have zip all access to the Apple sdk…

Real simple:

Thankfully, legislators foresaw this cheap attempt at circumvention and mandated that third-party apps must be allowed access to the same content and features as Apple's own first-party apps.

 

[wilhoitm]

So basically Apple is adding instability and a lot of ways for things to break to be stubborn and lock out of side loading.

No, the EU is doing that! Don't get it twisted!

 

[trip1ex]

Give me 3 examples, so I can take a look at those.

Here's 1 example. Youtube Premium.

 

[wilhoitm]

Real simple:

Thankfully, legislators foresaw this cheap attempt at circumvention and mandated that third-party apps must be allowed access to the same content and features as Apple's own first-party apps.

What else did the "legislators" mandate? This is going to crash and burn just like Communism! Run the Game Theory and you will see it will not work out! Who mandates the "legislators" when they overstep their power?

 

[AppliedMicro]

You know the people are just sheep at the Government's beck and call. Have you see the tax bill for people in the EU?

Have you seen healthcare bills for people in the U.S.?

What's your point?

EDIT: Also, have you seen the homicide rates in the U.S. - 10 times as high as the EU's?

 

[baryon]

How does splitting the App Store into two allow sideloading of apps? Like, would there be a "side loader" app store and a "classical" app store?

 

[icanhazmac]

The App Store will go nowhere, and legitimate apps can be on the App Store. Consumers can still buy all of their apps from Apple’s trusted App Store, if they desire so.

👉 Why should any app legitimate and trustworthy app want to leave Apple‘s App Store - as long as Apple provides fair rules and charges competitive commissions?

Because the likes of Meta, Steam, Amazon, Epic, etc. will open their own mobile stores and pay devs for exclusive distribution rights.

See post #77

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