I live in the European Union and I am against destroying a safe ecosystem. The EU should not interfere in something it does not understand.
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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline
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Look, the EU has proven itself incapable of constructing a business environment to help EU companies compete in the digital realm. It now finds itself dramatically outside of the most important conversations shaping the world. It's tragic, but really falls on the EU itself and the poor choices it's made over the last several decades.
But now we have a whole group of people who think the EU KNOWS BEST how to run and manage companies who operate in the digital realm. How anyone has this confidence in the EU, given their teriible track record in fostering innovation in tech, is beyond me.
You're all free to think the EU is brilliant; I think its obvious they are not. So, best of luck to those of you who are putting your faith in the EU. The EU is legislating itself further and further away from being able to partner with big tech, which is overwhelmingly developed outside of the EU now.
This is only the babysteps that the EU will try to take. Like all government, any achievement is only the first step on a hoped for path. Having failed tech in the business sector, the EU thinks it can make a mark through heavy handed legislation instead.
Has that ever worked well in the long term?
But now we have a whole group of people who think the EU KNOWS BEST how to run and manage companies who operate in the digital realm. How anyone has this confidence in the EU, given their teriible track record in fostering innovation in tech, is beyond me.
You're all free to think the EU is brilliant; I think its obvious they are not. So, best of luck to those of you who are putting your faith in the EU. The EU is legislating itself further and further away from being able to partner with big tech, which is overwhelmingly developed outside of the EU now.
This is only the babysteps that the EU will try to take. Like all government, any achievement is only the first step on a hoped for path. Having failed tech in the business sector, the EU thinks it can make a mark through heavy handed legislation instead.
Has that ever worked well in the long term?
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What an stupid comment, why do you care? Oh sorry Tim, didnt know it was you.
It's not true. Many corporations will take their apps from the AppStore and force users to install their stores. Banks will leave the appstore and create their own separate payment systems. It will be the same mess as in Android.
Except that forcing sideloading/third party stores was never on the ballot. That's what the EU is going to find out. This is a change that wasn't spearheaded by the general population of the EU. It came from the lobbyists for billion dollar companies like Spotify, Tinder and Epic and trillion dollar companies like Microsoft.
Will this really be popular in the EU with voters? I tend to doubt it. The idea that the mobile software business is the place where prices are too high and have plenty of room for cuts is the opposite of what actually exists. Mobile is already the bargain market.
You are aware, right, that developers earn significantly more money on IOS than on any other mobile platform. This idea that developers are angry is manufactured.
Because Apple has taken a hard stance against it.
Many are not thinking as consumers or as capitalist consumers but only going with what appears to be what the corp wants... because the corp knows best in all such matters. Like all corps before Apple who had a complete lock on buying & selling, sellers always come up with very good, seemingly-logical rationale for why maintaining their big cut is an excellent deal for all involved. Some of us just swallow whatever is spun.
Now it's just a matter of time. Will the EU be destroyed by rampant viruses, trojans, malware, ransomware and bricked phones galore? Or will- like the latest iPhones- there still will be lint, minimal wobbly ports and nary a bit of the expected cottage industry of port replacement for all those broken USB-C tongues that were slung with passionate certainty when the EU forced that change from Lightning?
Those of us who think about our Mac app buying already know the outcome of this story. The rest of us get to see the real truth in 2024. Warn any loved ones in the EU to get out before the impending apocalypse or perhaps trust that maybe they know what they are doing and see what happens. Most will still be able to flee the impending doomsday once it begins to unfold. So most should survive this Revelations-level event.
Now what can I do about this ongoing lint problem? And dang it: I've invested in a 1000 USB-C port repair kiosks that don't have recurring iPhone owners stopping in for repairs nearly every day. So many were so certain that going USB-C on iPhone would end in total disaster for everyone. Where's THAT disaster?
Type C has been out less than a year. Phones are still under warranty. You literally handed Apple a new avenue of obsolescence on a silver platter. Year two the ports will fail out of warranty.
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Type C on Mac and iPads have been there for MANY years, well beyond warranty. No problems for me. And I don't hear much about all such problems for others.
In my case, my cellular iPad mini with buds stands in as my iPhone (voip app), gets used just as much as an iPhone, handled the same way, etc. No USB-C issues at all. Yes, I'm only one person and perhaps I've been very lucky. But USB-C has been heavily used on the rest of the Apple lineup for many years now and in the much greater world of PC/Android. There's still plenty of lint, I don't see USB-C repair shops for "wobbly" and "broken tongues."
In my case, my cellular iPad mini with buds stands in as my iPhone (voip app), gets used just as much as an iPhone, handled the same way, etc. No USB-C issues at all. Yes, I'm only one person and perhaps I've been very lucky. But USB-C has been heavily used on the rest of the Apple lineup for many years now and in the much greater world of PC/Android. There's still plenty of lint, I don't see USB-C repair shops for "wobbly" and "broken tongues."
The EU half will get bigger and bigger, because other countries might follow. Japan will introduce a bill this year.
That 30% fee is not very popular among smartphone owners. Do Americans really want to pay 30% more for the same app that EU citizens?
That 30% fee is not very popular among smartphone owners. Do Americans really want to pay 30% more for the same app that EU citizens?
I don't really care what developers think about this.
you can already install altserver and use emulators on your iPhone. No problem at all.
I doubt the prices will drop. The devs will just keep the 30% for themselves. Or maybe add only 20% if you download from a different store or website.
hahaha. Interesting.
Then when you said this:
you're talking about those apps that just magically appear on their own?
Actually, this is not true for the EU. It has been decided in court that software you _buy_ is yours to do whatever with. You are free to decompile or change it in whatever way you want, as long as you don't break copyright.
Just because it is in the EULA it won't hold in court. It has been decided, more than once, that you cannot enter into an agreement just by opening a package or installing software. Also, therefore, most of the stuff in EULAs are not enforceable in the EU.
This is not a real scenario. Reality Americans and EU Citizens will continue paying the same price for Apps. Epic and other scum companies will make more money and Apple will charge more in other areas to make up for the lost revenue from both the Americans and EU Citizens. Small developers simply don't have the money or resources to run their own appstore and will get raked over the coals with shoddy third party store rules and fees that will be extremely unregulated.
But man you guys really won!
F that. A corporation should be able to create the products and integrations they want. Nobody is forcing you to use Apple's iPhone, FaceTime, iMessage, or App Store. You want choice but that doesn't mean you should get everything you want when a corporation's first and foremost goal is to make money for it's shareholders.
Personally, I switched from all those competitors years ago specifically so I could have the most tightly integrated solutions possible. The more you require them to split things apart, support other standards, etc you chip away at what makes them so much better than Android in my eyes and experience.
I think you misunderstand what the EU is, or rather, isn't. For a start, it isn't a government. And people don't vote for the EU like they do their government.
That's why Apple can't stop you from jailbreaking, other than plugging the gaps that you use to jailbreak. But that's not stopping you from jailbreaking, you just need to find another gap.
" as controller of their app, they can charge whatever they want for their app, including- if they wished- MORE than it was previously offered in the App Store. Get too greedy and competitor "artists" will see an opportunity to offer similar functionality for less... so that threat of competition somewhat polices the "too greedy" scenario."
this is what will make the prices fall. that's how markets work.
They aren‘t billion or dollar companies for no reason.
They’re making tons of revenue from consumers - including in the EU.
If they can lower prices by selling without Apple‘s commission, it’s a win for consumers.
I'd be curious about this. Will it somehow be related to hardware? Or will we just be able to use a VPN?
That's a weird way of putting it but yes, because that's what free market is, isn't it? Shouldn't a business be free to decide what they want to sell or not sell (within legal bounds of course)?