Darth Tulhu
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I foresee that there is going to be an entire generation of folks that will not have touched a Mac at all.
The iPad offers a different way of being productive, not a lesser one.
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Apple Announces New iPad Pro With M4 Chip, OLED Display, and More
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The iPad offers a different way of being productive, not a lesser one.
Darth Tulhu
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Unless you're a graphic artist, art enthusiast, music hobbyist, amateur/pro film maker, etc., WITHOUT hang-ups about iPadOS.
These are just tools, folks. How you use them (or not) is up to you.
I find cleaning nano texture easier. But I am a very cleanly person and never let dirt accumulate anywhere. Whenever I take a 3-4 year old device for trade in at Apple they always can’t believe how clean the device is.
I was most excited for the nanotexture display, which is about the only reason I'd upgrade from my 4Gen Air, as I use it mostly for reading, browsing, notes, and Zoom. Then Apple killed it by greedily limiting the option to one and two gig models. You're already looking at a $1600 storage upgrade for the device. Add in $100 for the upgraded display and another $300 for the compatible Magic Keyboard and you're talking bout a $2000 11" tablet. Fully optioned, the 13" pro is $3,077, which is nearly $700 more than a similarly equipped 14" MacBook Pro that can actually run real software. Is Apple completely insane? I will pull out a moleskine and quill before I spend $2000 on an iPad.
My source is crediting LG Display as Apple's main supplier of Tandem OLED displays due to Samsung having trouble with production. Samsung can fix this in time and also be a supplier. Apple tends to have multiple suppliers for the same part.
The point is different OLED types have different sub pixel structures, and the default RGB structure Apple will be using is supposedly the best one for text. If you disagree with that point, please explain. Otherwise, why are we having this conversation?
Not going to be. There already is
M3 is an architecture for an expensive, dead-end process (1st gen 3nm). Processes going forward cannot put as many transistors on a die - the chip size is decreasing faster than the process density increases.
This is why we aren't going to see last year's iPhone Pro chip in this year's iPhones. It is also likely why the Vision Pro, which they already know will have a long time until they can offer a meaningful upgrade (gated on cost/volume of the display technology) stayed with M2.
The M3 shipped quickly after the M2 because Apple had bought out that 1st generation 3nm node, but they need to focus on process changes around more (standardized) interconnects to be able to scale up complexity on future nodes and to also do things like mixed process SoCs, and to consume things like third-party in-chip parts.
Hmm? It has several terminals, and an industry-leading filesystem (APFS)
Yep. Was hoping the thin fetish died with Jobs. Was hoping Ive finally being booted put the nail in the coffin.
It's back, and just as stupid as ever.
Yes…they are
They are simply stealing money from easy marks and gaslighting the rest of us
Apple can never win. At the same time they have created a bit of a mess releasing the M4 on an iPad first. Doesn't make a lot of sense but they needed a reason for people to buy iPads since sales have been declining so M4 might have been that strategy. Also if you think about what device might benefit the most from Ai I would guess the iPad would be it.
Think if Apple implement's an Ai better than Gemini or close to it and the device can be used hands free, translate languages on the fly fast, speech to text in all apps that works really well, Bye, bye Siri and hello to something that actually works. I think the idea Apple may have is to showcase AI features the iPad will be the best market segment to do it and it could boost sales a lot with M4 and AI tricks.
I have a strong feeling this is where Apple is going and it is a good idea. It feels really odd to see M4 in iPad first but I think this is an anomaly due to the emergence and popularity of AI. It will allow Apple to showcase AI features in the best Tablet with OLED and M4 which should sell a lot of iPad Pro's.
If Apple succeeds with a decent AI assistant and showcases them with these new iPads and the speed of M4 it will also boost sales of new laptops. Apple's goal is to have a yearly chip release and possibly even faster as it boosts sales of new devices as it makes devices age faster since the tech is evolving much faster generation over generation.
1k for the 11" Oled base model seems reasonable to me. Upgrades are probably crazy prohibitively expensive but this seems like the iPad we have all been waiting for. Personally all the crying about running MacOS on an iPad is useless. I would rather have a way over powered device than an underpowered one and I know m4 is like nuclear option for an iPad relative to iPadOS but again it just improves the overall experience and allows Apple a ton of headroom for future updates making the iPad possibly run better for longer which is a benefit for everyone. I don't ever see a tablet ever replacing a laptop so I think Apple's strategy is sound. I think the usefulness of an M4 iPad could certainly be questioned when M1 is still overkill for iPadOS. But again if you have an older iPad and are looking to buy a new one the extra base cost is going to pause a lot of people but Apple has provided enough extra hardware features the cost seems justified.
Think if Apple implement's an Ai better than Gemini or close to it and the device can be used hands free, translate languages on the fly fast, speech to text in all apps that works really well, Bye, bye Siri and hello to something that actually works. I think the idea Apple may have is to showcase AI features the iPad will be the best market segment to do it and it could boost sales a lot with M4 and AI tricks.
I have a strong feeling this is where Apple is going and it is a good idea. It feels really odd to see M4 in iPad first but I think this is an anomaly due to the emergence and popularity of AI. It will allow Apple to showcase AI features in the best Tablet with OLED and M4 which should sell a lot of iPad Pro's.
If Apple succeeds with a decent AI assistant and showcases them with these new iPads and the speed of M4 it will also boost sales of new laptops. Apple's goal is to have a yearly chip release and possibly even faster as it boosts sales of new devices as it makes devices age faster since the tech is evolving much faster generation over generation.
1k for the 11" Oled base model seems reasonable to me. Upgrades are probably crazy prohibitively expensive but this seems like the iPad we have all been waiting for. Personally all the crying about running MacOS on an iPad is useless. I would rather have a way over powered device than an underpowered one and I know m4 is like nuclear option for an iPad relative to iPadOS but again it just improves the overall experience and allows Apple a ton of headroom for future updates making the iPad possibly run better for longer which is a benefit for everyone. I don't ever see a tablet ever replacing a laptop so I think Apple's strategy is sound. I think the usefulness of an M4 iPad could certainly be questioned when M1 is still overkill for iPadOS. But again if you have an older iPad and are looking to buy a new one the extra base cost is going to pause a lot of people but Apple has provided enough extra hardware features the cost seems justified.
Even a thick bezel will bend when you are in a car crash on the expressway. It still works, and thankfully the bent battery hasn't exploded yet!
I've never seen any evidence of this.
What would be that "software problem"?
And do you own an iPad...and which one?
Surprise!
So wait 6 months before you buy. How is this a "concern"? Wait 6 months and then just don't buy it.
I use some apps that work very nicely with it. The biggest problem is that the iPad will always be limited in its use-cases because so much software is subscription only.
Why do we need a terminal? And the file system works fine enough on my 2021 iPad Pro.
There are TWO reasons why I won't get Logic for iPad: Subscription, and no way to load and use 3rd party VST instruments and effects.
Come on, you KNEW you'd be taking a chance on planned obsolescence the moment you decided to buy any iPad that didn't say "AI" all over the box.
Not for you.
This is an excellent point! "Air" is the THICKER model of the two!
It could have an image that extends with full color and full touch 2 inches BEYOND the edge, and with full super-double-extra-HDMI-OLED even visible on the BACK of the unit, and people would still complain about the bezel. And bending. And iPad OS. And bending.
What the hell, what is "crippled OS"? So when are you buying yours?
So, the new iPad Pros are just like MacBook Airs but:
- Have a better CPU.
- Have a better OLED screen,
- which is also tactile
- and supports Apple Pencil
- and has a nanotextured option.
- Have FaceID, which MBAirs don't.
- Have a good quality back-side camera with flash and LiDAR, which MBAirs don't.
- Have a cellular option, which... well, you get the idea.
- Can be attached to a Macbook-class keyboard+touchpad OR not.
- Have the same base RAM and SSD as a MBAir and can get to 16GB/2TB.
- Support an external screen.
- Are very quite similar in price to a MBAir, despite all the above.
I'm probably missing some features here or there but... what is Apple waiting for to give users an option to use a full-fledged MacOS on iPad Pros? If anything, they are BETTER than MBAirs at almost everything when you add a Magic Keyboard. Not running the MacOS interface when attached to a keyboard and trackpad has been just a marketing decision for some time now, but this time it's more obvious than ever that a new iPad Pro is a better computer than a Macbook Air, all around.
Maybe that's what's coming at WWDC? (One can dream).
- Have a better CPU.
- Have a better OLED screen,
- which is also tactile
- and supports Apple Pencil
- and has a nanotextured option.
- Have FaceID, which MBAirs don't.
- Have a good quality back-side camera with flash and LiDAR, which MBAirs don't.
- Have a cellular option, which... well, you get the idea.
- Can be attached to a Macbook-class keyboard+touchpad OR not.
- Have the same base RAM and SSD as a MBAir and can get to 16GB/2TB.
- Support an external screen.
- Are very quite similar in price to a MBAir, despite all the above.
I'm probably missing some features here or there but... what is Apple waiting for to give users an option to use a full-fledged MacOS on iPad Pros? If anything, they are BETTER than MBAirs at almost everything when you add a Magic Keyboard. Not running the MacOS interface when attached to a keyboard and trackpad has been just a marketing decision for some time now, but this time it's more obvious than ever that a new iPad Pro is a better computer than a Macbook Air, all around.
Maybe that's what's coming at WWDC? (One can dream).
LOL - no way. Just the TV folder on my media server is over 6TB. I've got 32TB of disk on that box.
We have been for a while. Apple prices were reasonable a decade ago. I mean, they were reasonable IF you bought the smallest disk and RAM and upgraded them yourself.
Now everything they sell is a ripoff. I haven't bought anything but used in many years.
So I just priced one out with all the bells and whistles, plus pro pencil, pro keyboard, 2 TB memory, and 5G. Just under $3,100 for all that stuff, not including AppleCare.
I'll probably order one in June or July. By that time, we'll have heard if there are any production problems or notable bugs.
I'll order sooner if my bent 2021 unit flames out before then.
I probably won't order the Apple keyboard, especially if Logitech or other accessory makers can offer a case with a keyboard that includes some sort of a retention mechanism to keep the Apple Pencil from flying off during car accidents. The magnet is nice, but not strong enough to hold on during a car accident.
Yes, that's my new benchmark.
I'll probably order one in June or July. By that time, we'll have heard if there are any production problems or notable bugs.
I'll order sooner if my bent 2021 unit flames out before then.
I probably won't order the Apple keyboard, especially if Logitech or other accessory makers can offer a case with a keyboard that includes some sort of a retention mechanism to keep the Apple Pencil from flying off during car accidents. The magnet is nice, but not strong enough to hold on during a car accident.
Yes, that's my new benchmark.
If the M4 iPad Pro could run MacOS I would buy one in a heart beat. I could then run my go to photo editing software on both.
Same
These prices would all be tolerable (mostly) if one could go all in on one device for both iPadOS and macOS
Thankfully, there's still some semblance of bezel.
Besides novelty, what's a significant functional benefit of "zero" or as small as possible bezels?
Whether in terms of handling the iPad or using a case/protector, zero bezels makes as much sense as filling a hot bowl of soup to the very top edge of the bowl. Carrying it across the room to the table or just dipping in that first spoonful is so much fun.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
You must not have watched the event video. The double-OLED screen needs the added processing power of the M4 chip.
I didn't know we have camera continuity. That's awesome if true. I'll be researching that this week!
"If you wait, you'll wait forever."
You're welcome. But it's obviously not true. I waited before buying an MBP, and it turns out I only waited until Apple started taking the platform seriously. So I only waited 10 years or so.
Mine will be $3100 before tax and Applecare. I plan to use some of my NVDA money on it. That's the best way to buy something...use money you earned from something else. Because AAPL has been a terrible buy lately.
You make some good observations, thank you. But I really DON'T want to have a dual-boot iPad. Or Mac. Yuck!
I agree. I'll pop some popcorn later this month and watch the review videos on it before I decide which one to order for mine.
Thank you; that's a really good way to phrase it.
Until they need to get a real job with real deliverables. Sure, there are some companies that will let you use an iPad for your working environment. But the great majority will use Windows machines or Macs. And it's because that's what they know how to support.
Well THANK YOU for calling me an "easy mark". At least I'm supposedly not being gaslit.
This right here is the only good reason I've heard for wanting iPad to run MacOS. Nobody else gives an example, they just say "bad OS" or "software problems". I don't know what any of that means!
I NEED a bezel. It doesn't need to be 4" wide, but it should be there. Way way too often, I pick up my 2021 iPad and my fingers activate something on the screen, completely unintended. It's painfully inelegant and always requires that I do something additional to cancel out some horrible thing that almost happened when I tried to pick up my iPad.