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iFarmer

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Dec 12, 2012
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You should spend a day watching some of the internal chat rooms. New advisors on this job are clueless. Not just the kind of clueless where you're feeling out a new job, but the kind of clueless where I wonder how you managed to reply to the offer email without asking for help.

Haha, noticed this recently myself, poor dears.
 

xquarkofborgx

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Jul 10, 2013
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The job does have its positives too, like any job does, but I'm surprised by how many people really, really want it. It's nothing special, man. I promise.

Go to peoples houses and install cable for a day. Guarantee you will think you have something special after that. I haven't started yet but am truly grateful to be able to work from home and work for Apple. I bust ass everyday showing empathy to customers in their homes, I am sure it is way harder than over the phone. When you are in a customers home it is a whole new ballgame. I am truly happy I applied for this job no matter what anyone says.
 

TheHibernian

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Feb 20, 2013
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Try being the person that SELLS the person cable and then have an incompetent technician pick up the job and "ninja-knock" (where a tech runs up to the door, knocks quickly, then drives off saying not home so they still get partial payment for their time to avoid doing a complex job).
Kinda like when the AT&T store tells somebody to call Apple and get a free iPhone because he was having a hard time accessing the app store, when anybody at Apple knows damn well that we're not giving you a free phone because you can't access the app store.

Or where they sell a customer a campaign that doesnt exist... Or where they contact dispatch to do things they should be doing themselves because they are lazy....
Like when a call director sends you an obviously ineligible for tech support case and classifies it as non-technical, because he/she didn't have the guts to do the job right, so now you get to tell this person who has been "transferred to tech support" that it will cost $19 if they want you to take four minutes and show them how to restore from an iTunes backup.

xqwhatever's point about going into someone's house is well taken, but again I will suggest that people would be well advised to know what they're getting into. Those angry customers that you sometimes encounter while installing cable - they're the only ones who will be calling you. Those happy customers that you sometimes encounter while installing cable - you'll never hear a peep from them.

It's not that the customers are all rude or belligerent. Most of them are actually fairly friendly. It's that you're always starting from a point of disappointment or frustration. Even the morons who forget their Apple ID passwords and can't manage to reset them seem to think that they're owed something.

So when I call to tell you my phone's wifi blows, and you know damned well that my phone's wifi blows, but your job requires you to pretend that a software restore will fix the issue, and you also know that I know that you're just blowing smoke up my ass - at that point I'll welcome your feedback on just how special the job is. 'Cause from where I'm sitting, it's just a job. It's not a terrible job and it's not a great job. It's just a job.
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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The job does have its positives too, like any job does, but I'm surprised by how many people really, really want it. It's nothing special, man. I promise.

I can understand why people would want this job but I'd give it up in a heartbeat to be back in a server room. Without question, this is the absolute worst technology related job I've ever had.
 

Roomers

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Jun 27, 2013
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So when I call to tell you my phone's wifi blows, and you know damned well that my phone's wifi blows, but your job requires you to pretend that a software restore will fix the issue

A friend recently had this experience--a software restore being required for what was obviously flaky hardware. Why pretend this? What am I missing?
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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A friend recently had this experience--a software restore being required for what was obviously flaky hardware. Why pretend this? What am I missing?

We pretty much have to do a factory restore on most any device prior to setting it up for repair(assuming it powers on). I tend to skip this step with stuff that is obviously hardware related, e.g. speaker or unresponsive display. WiFi issues are not always that cut and dry though. Many of the cases I've had ended up being a router issue, not a device issue.

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So I saw your name on the list of winners for those goofy summer fest puzzles... they send out anything interesting?
 

April Knight

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Like when a call director sends you an obviously ineligible for tech support case and classifies it as non-technical, because he/she didn't have the guts to do the job right....
Is there a way to submit feedback about this sort of thing? This is like a T1 sending an easy issue up to a T2 because they didn't feel like handling a call, and I imagine THAT has repercussions.
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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Is there a way to submit feedback about this sort of thing? This is like a T1 sending an easy issue up to a T2 because they didn't feel like handling a call, and I imagine THAT has repercussions.

A lot of people use the peer feedback that's built in to the logging software but it seems to be ineffective at best. However, if a T1 rep continues to escalate easy stuff, he or she will be called on the carpet for it at some point.
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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Eventually you'll just get good at your job and won't need T2 unless it is something mandatory. Once your here for awhile no call is new. Been there done that.

Once in a while I get something weird that comes in but for most of the calls... SSDD.
 

kclarkdaughter

macrumors newbie
Jul 30, 2013
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. 'Cause from where I'm sitting, it's just a job. It's not a terrible job and it's not a great job. It's just a job.

I like you. You're real. I'm starting on August 26 in iOS, and I feel like there's so much hype to work for Apple that people start to have unrealistic expectations, thus the high turnover rate.

I come from a social work background, and for the last seven years have worked with people who live in poverty and suffer from severe mental illness. Part of my job was obtaining different community/government services for them, and when things didn't go according to plan, listening to them threaten me and call me all kinds of pretty names. I had to go into some extremely unsafe neighborhoods, into homes that were infested with lice, bedbugs, fleas, etc.

Apple will definitely be a step up from that and I'm grateful for it. But, as with anything, a job is a job is a job. It's about level of expectation, energy put into it, and keeping all things in perspective.

I'm feeling chatty this morning. So..sorry about the lengthy post! Just wanted to say that I think you share great perspective and provide a level of realism that is needed.
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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I like you. You're real. I'm starting on August 26 in iOS, and I feel like there's so much hype to work for Apple that people start to have unrealistic expectations, thus the high turnover rate.

I come from a social work background, and for the last seven years have worked with people who live in poverty and suffer from severe mental illness. Part of my job was obtaining different community/government services for them, and when things didn't go according to plan, listening to them threaten me and call me all kinds of pretty names. I had to go into some extremely unsafe neighborhoods, into homes that were infested with lice, bedbugs, fleas, etc.

Apple will definitely be a step up from that and I'm grateful for it. But, as with anything, a job is a job is a job. It's about level of expectation, energy put into it, and keeping all things in perspective.

I'm feeling chatty this morning. So..sorry about the lengthy post! Just wanted to say that I think you share great perspective and provide a level of realism that is needed.

I think you'll do fine, the customers you'll run across can be difficult at times but most are reasonable. Once you get through the learning curve the job is neither difficult or stressful... it is however, a customer service job and the hardest part for me is dealing with consumers rather than technical challenges. In the end... it's just a job and Apple is just another huge tech company. There is a staggering amount of hype and kool-aid drinking that goes on, however. And for a pragmatist/realist like me, that takes some getting used to.
 

AngryGerbil

macrumors 6502a
Aug 26, 2012
630
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I feel the same way about retail.... Glad I'm out. I pray I enjoy the job and can remain a good father. But like you I won't quit till I can walk in another, I have tendency to get comfortable.

Actually, most days I'm OK with doing this AHA stuff but once in a while I'll get a string of calls that make me ask,"Why am I doing this to myself?". 50 minutes on a call with an 82 year old woman that has never used an iPad or computer before and I was ready to gulp down a handful of valiums.
 

CowboyJedi

macrumors newbie
Jun 17, 2013
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Pensacola, FL
High five! Training buddies! You were told it was CPU too, right?



Mine doesn't. Just full time at home advisor. My recruiter told me it would be CPU, but that was subject to change at any time.

Sorry for the delay in response. Yes CPU. In fact it just got here...WTH cant openit until Monday! ARRRRRRGHHHHH!!! lol

Good to meet you.

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Just got my introduction email from my Team Manager and am starting to get a little more excited to start my training on Monday!

Me too. iMac just got dropped off by FedEx about 10 minutes ago...seriously..hardest box I have never opened....I am going to hide it out of site so it does not tempt me! LOL
 

TheHibernian

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Feb 20, 2013
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So you have to factory reset devices even when it's a hardware issue like when the iPhone thinks headphones are plugged in when they clearly aren't and compressed air just not doing it.
Yes, because it could theoretically be a software glitch causing the problem. For a lot of people, you can spin it as getting all the data imported and backed up in case a repair is needed. From that point a restore is only one more click. For some cases though, it's stupid.
 

AngryGerbil

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Aug 26, 2012
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So you have to factory reset devices even when it's a hardware issue like when the iPhone thinks headphones are plugged in when they clearly aren't and compressed air just not doing it.

Some people do... I personally wouldn't do a restore for that unless they're right next to their computer. Restores are always worth a shot...
 

AngryGerbil

macrumors 6502a
Aug 26, 2012
630
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Just wondered if anybody else saw this...

http://www.wahm.com/forum/telecommu...ne-worked-apple-home-advisor.html#post3119572

Scroll down a bit to find the evaluation of the AHA job from someone who did it for two years. She lays out both pluses and minuses.

You experienced folks--is it true about needing five good surveys to make up for one bad one?

That's actually pretty close to the mark. And yeah... one bad survey and you're in a hole that's hard to climb out of. The best defense is to get as many surveys as you can.
 
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