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They are inefficient and don’t have good ranges before they need time consuming charges. And they aren’t green.

False. I just took an 1,100 mile road trip in my Model X... didn't have to stop and charge for close to 270ish miles at a time... each stop was about 25 minutes which was enough for my family to use the restroom stretch our legs and grab a snack. The trip only took me maybe 30-40 minutes more than it would take me with a gas car in the past.

Oh and by the way the whole thing cost me about $60 in super charging, whereas it would have been easily over $300 in gas.
 
I guess Apple's lawyers couldn't successfully negotiate a license with the estate of Richard Scarry:

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There's no reason Apple needs to own the car, they need to own the interface. They likely learned enough to know how to offer the integrations that will help keep their devices relevant (CarKey, CarPlay upgrades, etc.). The money is going to be in the other things you can do if your car drives itself. If Apple can get you on an Apple device, or using Apple services, they make money. If Google gets you on a Google device, browsing the web, etc., they make money. They never needed the car, they want your extra free time and eyeballs.
 
Not the time or place for a debate - but if you are talking about EVs in general - you may be right, but if you talk about Teslas - then you're dead wrong. But that's not an EV vs Gas car debate, it's just bad EVs vs Gas car debate. As a guy with 2 in the garage, driven 30k in road trips from Texas, California, to Tennessee - I would never drive a non-EV ever again.

  1. In the city, I get 300+ miles of range. I charge once a week because I drive 50m a day, and even for days I drive 150-200m in a day for visiting places around Colorado it's been great.
  2. On the highway, I drive for 3-4 hours, stop and get a drink/go to bathroom and I'm ready to go for the next 3-4 hours. I'm not 15 years old and can sit in a car for 8-10 hours without cramping. So this is perfect.
  3. Cold weather - I get heat in seconds compared to having to warm up a gas car for 20-30m and then get some heat. Norway (much colder than most of the US) is primarily Teslas.
  4. No maintenance except for tires and washer fluid. First set of tires was disappointing…replaced at 16k. Second set so far is good at 44k miles.
  5. Lower overall cost. I've said money on insurance, fuel, maintenance…etc. By thousands per car per year.
  6. Not really EVs…but Teslas: Most American made car made. Safest car. Tesla Model Y secures 2024 IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ award despite tougher metrics.
  7. I don't really care about the green part, but factually they are greener than ICE cars. Especially if you charge it at home on solar.
These are MY facts I can prove with all data I collect from own personal car for the last 2 years. 30,000 miles in road trips. 20,000 miles in local driving. Two Teslas I own. Both my adult sons got one.
What type are those new tires? Or did you perhaps change your driving habits?

Because from what I've read all EVs just chew through tires like a puppy.
 
The Mercedes EQS is a beautiful vehicle with a level of craftsmanship and detail you could never receive from Tesla.

I always assumed that's the route Apple would take with their vehicles, even if they were rumored to be partnering with a less luxury/more budget-focused carmaker. But cars are so much more expensive than phones, and the ROI for "status devices" in a product-category where consumers keep those products for years (if not decades) is completely at odds with Apple's other products.

And that's without mentioning how much more regulation there is in the automotive industry, the worse profit-margins, and the general responsibility that manufacturers have to support those vehicles (for years) should any problems arise.
And expensive as hell.
 
So, Apple cancels potentially something innovative and unique, but we hear about how they are EXPLORING, “smart rings”, “HomePods with screens”, “AirPods with cameras”, and “smart glasses that do not even have screens”?? I predict that in the coming decades Apple is going to be SEVERELY behind in many technological categories. It has already begun with other companies (XReal, Waymo, Tesla, Lenovo, Samsung, ChatGPT, Google, etc.) who have RELEASED compelling and bleeding edge technologies. I truly wonder how long Tim Cook has before he has to retire or is ousted.
 
Car Play in 17.4 does seem to be very intuitive. From Auto settings, climate, cameras…etc.

Car manufacturers will end up paying Apple to license CarPlay.

Plus it’s a lot cheaper to built on to iOS than an entire car will cost $100,000 out the gate. (Before taxes).

Unless Apple wants to put a bid for Lucid.
 
I believe precisely none of this. Apple has decided to pretend to cancel the product to buy themselves more time. There is no way in hell they cancel this. No way, José.
I can see this being cancelled.

Apple likely wanted to partner with existing manufactures or some other platform for repairs and servicing. Personally I view servicing as the biggest barrier to the automotive industry. Why buy a car if there are no service centers?

For me, the nearest Polestar service center is a Volvo dealer 80-90 miles away.
The nearest Rivian service is unknown.
Tesla is also 80-90 miles away.

Apple was likely unable to work out any servicing contracts with existing, nationwide businesses. Let's not consider the cost of production, where would they build this? They'd have to build out a factory and that's incredibly heavy on up front cost.

Apple have invested many billions of dollars into this and will continue to do so as they refine their self-driving software and street mapping systems.
I really don't think it was the tech, but the physical and material needs and support. Like you, I'd love to see Apple Car living on through software such as CarPlay and even a stack for self driving; the actual car is definitely cancelled.
 
Good.

Now they can focus on MacOS and make it more usable. My pet peeve. Mail --> about a decade behind other mail clients. Address Book --> Can we get an easy and decent envelope printing method? Network --> Simpler UI. Scanning (Image Capture) --> It looks like it is stuck in 1990.
 
They are inefficient and don’t have good ranges before they need time consuming charges. And they aren’t green.

You probably got a bunch of notifications already but over their life time EV's are farrrr more efficient and better for the enviroment then the most modern ICE vehicle. After so many decades, most ICE engine can barely hit 40% fuel efficiency if they are lucky. Compared to EV's that are starting at 70% efficiency.

Sure an EV right of the lot has contributed way more to the detriment of the environment but over a decade it comes out far ahead.
 
Has to be a lot of work done and data collected on self driving by this point in the project, maybe if we're all lucky apple will opensource some of that work for various OSS robotics/etc projects to incorporate so it isnt wasted work
 
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Thank God!

We do most certainly not need any more electric cars or electric car brands.

And definitely not if it's just about the same as every other product out there.
And with a finite resource such as oil and gas, what do you propose would be the solution for powering vehicles? We don’t need to even get into the topic of the environmental aspects, just simply a feasible energy source to replace oil and gas when it runs out. But hey, that’s the next generations problem, RIGHT?
 
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Not the time or place for a debate - but if you are talking about EVs in general - you may be right, but if you talk about Teslas - then you're dead wrong. But that's not an EV vs Gas car debate, it's just bad EVs vs Gas car debate. As a guy with 2 in the garage, driven 30k in road trips from Texas, California, to Tennessee - I would never drive a non-EV ever again.

  1. In the city, I get 300+ miles of range. I charge once a week because I drive 50m a day, and even for days I drive 150-200m in a day for visiting places around Colorado it's been great.
  2. On the highway, I drive for 3-4 hours, stop and get a drink/go to bathroom and I'm ready to go for the next 3-4 hours. I'm not 15 years old and can sit in a car for 8-10 hours without cramping. So this is perfect.
  3. Cold weather - I get heat in seconds compared to having to warm up a gas car for 20-30m and then get some heat. Norway (much colder than most of the US) is primarily Teslas.
  4. No maintenance except for tires and washer fluid. First set of tires was disappointing…replaced at 16k. Second set so far is good at 44k miles.
  5. Lower overall cost. I've said money on insurance, fuel, maintenance…etc. By thousands per car per year.
  6. Not really EVs…but Teslas: Most American made car made. Safest car. Tesla Model Y secures 2024 IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ award despite tougher metrics.
  7. I don't really care about the green part, but factually they are greener than ICE cars. Especially if you charge it at home on solar.
These are MY facts I can prove with all data I collect from own personal car for the last 2 years. 30,000 miles in road trips. 20,000 miles in local driving. Two Teslas I own. Both my adult sons got one.
Yeah, mostly love mine for all the same reasons. Did a 15,000 mile across the US when I retired and had no problems at all. Really enjoyed it, especially the acceleration. I'm not a speedy driver, but sure is nice to have those few times you want it.

Was interested to see if Apple could make one, but it never really seemed logical to me.
 
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Such a bummer... was really looking forward to this. Maybe they will change their minds and restart development on it one day.
Once Tim Cook is gone. He prefers Apple to release a HomePod with a screen and AirPods with cameras, let’s not forget VR goggles!
 
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