So what you're saying is that all these people who are attracted to the same sex, driven by one of the most potent of all human instincts, are inherently disadvantaged because they're, by design, more apt to sin?
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So what you're saying is that all these people who are attracted to the same sex, driven by one of the most potent of all human instincts, are inherently disadvantaged because they're, by design, more apt to sin?
So religious rights are not a human right in your region? Horrifying.
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If you accept the inspiration of the Scripture then there it must be assumed that what Peter taught in Scripture came from God/Jesus. If you don't accept the inspiration of Scripture then that is another discussion.
I've written repeatedly in this forum where the Scripture says homosexuality is a sin (Lev 20), where Jesus affirms the OT Law (Matt 5) noted that there are ceremonial, judicial/civil and moral laws in the OT, noted that the ceremonial and judicial 1) only applied to the Jews (this is a very basic Jewish and Christian doctrine). and 2) shown how in Acts 15 it is was strictly forbidden to force the Gentiles (all non-jews) from being held to the ceremonial and judicial laws. Moreover, gentiles were explicitly told in Acts 15 to abstain from sexual immorality, of which homosexuality would have been inescapably understood to be included based on the context of Acts 15.
Jesus did not approve of homosexuality. This is what Scripture demands. It isn't rocket science. It is basic logic in reading. If anyone doesn't like how a logically necessary reading of Scripture condemns something they approve, I'll be praying for them. I don't know what else to do.
It's one of those "when one right clashes against another right, which is right is right" situations.
I say both cancel each other out. Particularly angry gay people can't forbid a person from believing what they want to believe, and religious people can't use their beliefs to prevent a gay person from living the life they want to lead. Everyone has to shut up and begrudgingly agree to disagree.
We all have our crosses to bear in this fallen world. Some deal with alcoholism, some with lying, others adultery. But just because something is hard to do the right thing doesn't make failing to do it any less wrong, cowardly, and irresponsible.
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This, I would have to agree, is probably the best situation we could hope for as Christians by this stage. The earlier remark about human rights trumping religious rights, however, strikes me as a hint of what is to come: religious freedoms will be erroded in the name of "rational" science, medicine, and psychology, as if such disciplines existed in a moral vacuum and could be impartial.
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God will figure that one out. You don't have to worry about it.
Yeah, but being gay in a religious world denies people the right to love another person. This isn't mere alcoholism. This is God denying some people the right to enjoy one of His greatest gifts to the world, and compelling them to act against His wishes on a base, emotional level, beyond their control.
It's like giving some people eyes to see with, and telling them their vision is a sin.
It depends on how you look at it. Religious rights are ultimately one part of Human rights as a whole.
First off, Renzatic, let me say thank you for putting your arguments in a thoughtful and polite manner. These are excellent and valid questions. It is very, very refreshing.
The same argument can be made that God makes it extremely hard on heterosexuals as well: forcing them to abstain until marriage and then remaining faithful even if the other spouse decides to not have sex with him or her or must work in a far away country, etc. Not everyone gets life as hard or easy as the next person. We can complain about life being tough (I know I often do), but at the end of the day, it is the reality we must deal with. When I see God, I expect I'll be one of the first asking, "Why did it have to be so hard?" I am sure either the answer will be obvious when I see God or the question won't matter. And like I said, hard or not, the right thing is the right thing and God get's to dictate what that is (assuming you believe in Him).
I am still curious to understand how two loving consent adult wanted to live and share a live together is impacting your daily life? Whether it is 2 man or 2 woman.
The thing you're missing is that this isn't mere hardship. It's programming people to like a certain thing, then denying them entirely the right to act upon it.
These people, by decree from God, are not allowed to love the people God made them want to love.
Where does he say that it impacts his life? He just believes that it's not the right thing to do. He also didn't say that two men/women "sharing a live together" is wrong. Christians condem the homosexual act, not merely living together. They think it's wrong and they have a right to think so.
"Religious rights" means you can pray to whatever flying spaghetti monster you want to in your own home. It doesn't mean you get to use said fairy tale beliefs to restrict the rights of others.. that's the bottom line.
Who the **** is Jesus anyways? He's about as real as the cow who jumped over the moon.... although this mythical "Jesus" character did say "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR."
Sex doesn't equal love. Christians only have an issue with the sex part.
I love my best friends, but that doesn't mean I **** them.
Just like a mother loves her child, but (hopefully) doesn't **** it.
you have to live under a rock to think they are not consuming their relationship.
It is my right to critique their belief in the same way they can critique me. Religious beliefs is not a "carte blanche" they give them the right to do whatever they want. The fact remains the same, regardless of their beliefs, its is discriminatory behavior. I am trying to understand where their fear of homosexuality comes from. We are talking here about people that are members of their church. We are talking about people that have the same religious beliefs.
No, it isn't rocket science, it's outdated, religious dogma.
Ready to come back to me yet?
I find it tragic you still believe what someone may or may not have said a couple of thousand years ago should be the way we live our lives today, to the letter, despite the constant development of human understanding of the world and changing cultural and scientific landscapes.
The Westboro Baptist Church is just talking/trolling. They don't actually harm anyone.
You're right, they should hide who they are because bigots think it's "ewwy". Truth is, no one wants your acceptance, you're not important. They just want equal legal rights, and now they're getting them. No thanks to folks like you. Congrats for being sucky.
More importantly, why?
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It happens every day. In fact , you could have a gay son or daughter, and not know it til puberty.
What do you think of that?
You know what I mean. It's one of the perks of a romantic relationship and all. Everyone want companionship like that. A person to share your feelings with physically, emotionally, and dare I say...spiritually. The Bible even celebrates it.
...and some people are punished for seeking it.
You certainly have in this thread. You're welcome to stop shoving at any time now.
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