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Please make the new 20" 1920x1200 (if such panels are available). After getting used to the sharpness of 1680x1050 on a 17" MacBook Pro, it's hard to go back to a large pixel pitch like 1920x1200 on a 24". Until they can make affordable 23", 24" and 30" panels with the same pixel pitch as the 17", please at least give us a 20" or 22" with 1920x1200.

I don't think they will do this only because it would be pretty tiny text and images on a screen that small with a resolution that high. Until they come up with a resolution independent OS, they will stick with the norm.

I was very young then and was not an Apple enthusiast so I don't know what happened. How did it all go down???

Well. The Apple Studio Displays took a while to be updated as well, and each iteration cancelled out the previous model. First we got 15, 17, 20 then 15 was axed and it was 17, 20, 22. Then the 23" hi definition panel came to replace the 22" for the most part. Then 17" was axed and shortly after came the Apple Cinemas. As far as I remember.
 
I don't understand posters wanting monitors larger than 30". It seems to me that what we need is displays with higher DPI, not displays that are physically larger and less able to fit in your workspace.
 
I don't understand posters wanting monitors larger than 30". It seems to me that what we need is displays with higher DPI, not displays that are physically larger and less able to fit in your workspace.

Because these posters are basically looking for something to replace their HDTV with, not knowing that their HDTV would do just fine.

They also fail to understand where the improvements in displays needs to be in. Like the 24" 16 bit HP for instance... we all should be barking up that tree.
 
And Blu-Ray. How can they still not support Blu-Ray? Windows has had it for, what, years?

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Hmm...sorry but I think Blu-ray is already old technology and got little interest around the world.
I got :apple:TV and enjoy download HD movies from there despite fact that is only 750 mode. But even then I dont mind to watch normal quality DVD's.
Besides:
"..Right now, Blu-ray is relatively safe because broadband speeds aren't nearly where they should be and HD media downloads are plagued by many of the same issues affecting Blu-ray. But that won't be true for too much longer."
Its happening already like I said for :apple:TV and removing optical drive from Macbook Air.
Also cost of portable flash drives is going down fast. Now you can get one of 2 gig for $2. Its probably next thing where you will store HD movies on.
Really....forget Blu-ray....:apple: is too smart for this.
 
The Mini is alive!!! Long live the Mini!

I love that machine! IF the specs are what they are, then I would be happy getting one of these, together with a LED display, that would really make a nice and powerful machine for everyday use and then some :)
:) :apple:
 
Im currently at the Regent Street store and tried to pick one up but they're all out. Grrr....guess no display for me after all. Bah!

EDIT: They have some serious bandwith here and ISP seems to be AT&T...in the UK. Odd.

 
Apple is going to replace it with a new 20" glossy screen with a cheap TN pannel at the same price point. This will double Apple's margins on the monitor. Of course they will sell fewer screens but with double the margin the total profit is larger.

This seems to be the way Apple is headed lately: Cheap products at the same price.

Yeah the unibody aluminium laptops are a prime example of that. And LED backlit displays...
 
I think Apple will likely offer new Cinema Display models with these specs:

1) 20", 24" and 30" sizes
2) LED backlighting on all models
3) Full eight-bit color display
4) 1680x1050 resolution for 20", 1920x1200 resolution for 24", 2560x1600 resolution for 30" models
5) Both DVI-D and Mini DisplayPort connectors with full HDCP support
 
How has apple let it get this bad..... ?

Every product other than their laptops is now out of date by a considerable margin, and thus over priced by default. Desktops sales plummeted last quarter, and this quarter they must be practically non existent.

Poor planning ? Who knows... I dont remember mac-land being this out of whack since the G4 days when it stalled at 400Mhz ish for like 2yrs !

I blame their new focus on gadgets. The iPod was too successful, now that seems to be where all the energy is, as well as the type of computers the demographic that buys iPods would most likely buy, laptops. I honestly miss the 90's and early 2000's Apple. They offered many types of computers, focused on education and graphics (more respectable than the Apple that focuses on wealthy mall shoppers and hipsters). They weren't doing as well though, even if the company was better for us as the customers. They're doing well by selling over-priced, outdated hardware to mall shoppers and hipsters. Hard to defend what Apple is doing lately. Looking forward to a Jobs replacement. I'm grateful about the changes that he brought early on, but I want to see someone who is interested in providing more choice and pushing Macs/OS X in more professional (respectable) markets again.
 
All the ones i've looked at are either jacking up the prices or selling older...crappier revisions

ebay, in CT, I know I talked to the seller and got a quote for 500 20" and 600 for the 23"

Two weeks ago there were 3 20" acd's for sale less than a month old still under warranty that went for 346 to 378, I know one of them was in Jersey and the guy said it was never opened was sitting in the closet and he forgot about it, how the heck you forget about a 600 dollar display I do not know but he sold it a buy it now price in less than 30 minutes. Just have to look and be patient. All I know is the Apple store is taking mine back today minus re-stocking fee.

On eBay there is this one that is still under warranty
 
ebay, in CT, I know I talked to the seller and got a quote for 500 20" and 600 for the 23"

Two weeks ago there were 3 20" acd's for sale less than a month old still under warranty that went for 346 to 378, I know one of them was in Jersey and the guy said it was never opened was sitting in the closet and he forgot about it, how the heck you forget about a 600 dollar display I do not know but he sold it a buy it now price in less than 30 minutes. Just have to look and be patient. All I know is the Apple store is taking mine back today minus re-stocking fee.

On eBay there is this one that is still under warranty

Why are you returning it?
 
Of course you feel that way; a 65" Plasma costs real money.

If you had real money, then you'd understand Blu-ray.

I have real money. And Apple ain't getting a single penny of it until they do Blu-ray. And matte screens.

The used iMac 24" (with MATTE screen) I just bought (NOT from the Apple Store) does me just fine.

:apple:

You're right - I don't have real money. I have a 2 year old and a one week old. Any extra money I have goes into college savings funds for them and for buying diapers. I'm actually pretty amazed you made that statement; it's one of the more arrogant things I've heard in my life time. But enjoy your Blu Ray - I hope it does as well as the other technology you put your worth in about 15 years ago (Laser Disc).

I guess If I had the time in a day to warrant a 65" Plasma TV I guess my life would like a little bit different. But enjoy yours - sounds like you've arrived.
 
How has apple let it get this bad..... ?

Every product other than their laptops is now out of date by a considerable margin, and thus over priced by default. Desktops sales plummeted last quarter, and this quarter they must be practically non existent.

Poor planning ? Who knows... I dont remember mac-land being this out of whack since the G4 days when it stalled at 400Mhz ish for like 2yrs !

Seriously... hide the mini from the web page. Having that computer up there non updated after sooooo long is like an embarrassment to the company.

Other than the Mac Mini, how do you get off saying this? "out of date by a considerable margin"--for you to make that statement you have to have something to compare to. Are you saying the Mac line is out of date compared to PC's? You can't possibly be serious. You go find me a PC desktop running Windows Vista and tell me it performs better than a 24" iMac with 4 gigs of RAM. Find me one thing it can do that the Mac can't, maybe save Blu Ray playback. And let me ask you an honest question: if you had to choose a new computer running OSX 10.5 or Vista, what would you choose? And when you answer OSX I would then ask you WHY?? WHY? Because it's light years ahead of Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates standing in a shoe store wasting money on a one week failed advertising campaign that nobody understood. But tell that to the scuba diver off the coast of nowhereland who's a "PC".

I'm sick and tired of these comments about the line being out of date--maybe they don't need to be updated so fast anyway because they actually made a decent product worth holding on to. Do you buy a Toyota and then complain that 13 months later there isn't a newer version with 1.5 more horsepower and .002384 MPG gas improvement?
 
3) If you're banging your head on a wall because you're frustrated they haven't updated, then you're not really a Mac user yet. You're still a closet believer in PC 'mega giga'. You have to let go of that to get into the inner circle of the cult.

Sorry, I don't wanna be there :)
Incidentally, that reminds of the first Apple fanboi I've met. Going on and on about how he's soooo creative and doing all kinds of artsy crap and what not, and designing stuff on his wonderful machine all the time, you know. So I offered to build him a kick-ass rig (at the time): a 1.4Ghz Celeron with 3/4 GB RAM, and he explains that his Apple would be superior to this, obviously, duh. And he shows me his wunderbox: a freaking IIc ferfuxake, that couldn't get out of its own way.
You go ahead and have fun in your dream world, and if Apple keeps losing the plot like they did before, well, there's the whole wide world of Linux on machines that are every which way the equal and better of anything Apple offers, hardware-wise, for a fraction of the price.
 
You won't be giving Apple much money in the next 20 years, then.

Perfect. As I'm the tip of the pro content creator iceberg, used gear from private parties that does what I need it to do is cost effective for me, and we'll see how that works out for Apple and you.

:apple:
 
HDCP correct ?

Isn't it true that we will never be able to play Blu-Ray movies on our Macs until we have HDCP capable graphics cards and displays ?

Let's hope all the new displays have HDCP. :D
 
Hmm...sorry but I think Blu-ray is already old technology and got little interest around the world.
I got :apple:TV and enjoy download HD movies from there despite fact that is only 750 mode. But even then I dont mind to watch normal quality DVD's.
Besides:
"..Right now, Blu-ray is relatively safe because broadband speeds aren't nearly where they should be and HD media downloads are plagued by many of the same issues affecting Blu-ray. But that won't be true for too much longer."
Its happening already like I said for :apple:TV and removing optical drive from Macbook Air.
Also cost of portable flash drives is going down fast. Now you can get one of 2 gig for $2. Its probably next thing where you will store HD movies on.
Really....forget Blu-ray....:apple: is too smart for this.


You are living in a fantasy land if you think Blu-Ray is heading to a grave any time soon. Living in the UK you should be fully aware that the average broadband speed is 2Mb. Now the last time I checked Apple offered selective HD downloads at 720p, which is heavily compressed, and are roughly 2Gb in size which is relatively large considering the usage limits imposed by ISPs. ISPs are struggling now, at the very beginning of digital content distribution, so what is going to happen in several years when it becomes more popular. Also, some of us want 1080p content and don't want the heavily compressed garbage being offered to us for the same price as the physical medium, which you guessed it, offers more picture detail.

Like it or not Blu-ray is here to stay for the foreseeable, it may be the last optical format, but it is here to stay.
 
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"Patiently waiting" for iMac updates? I'm hanging off the edge of my seat for them!
 
Like it or not Blu-ray is here to stay for the foreseeable, it may be the last optical format, but it is here to stay.

It is because of network bandwidth issues with downloadable HD movies that is keeping the Blu-ray format alive. Besides, when the picture quality is outstanding on a Blu-ray disc with its 1080p 24 frames per second video (go see any recent Pixar animated movie mastered onto Blu-ray format and be prepared to watch your jaw drop with its astonishing clarity), even downloadable HD movies look poor in comparison. :)
 
Make a mini DisplayPort 20" monitor? Just makes it more compelling to buy an Apple laptop; this works well for people who bought a MacBook, but don't want to spend another $900 on the 24" when they could spend the difference on a 15" or 17". With a 20", it's affordable enough to convince MacBook owners to buy it without breaking the bank and without cutting into higher models with lower profit margins. Don't forget, they expect to make money when you buy AppleCare, etc. on the monitors.

this is true. Apple has never really had a very affordable average run of the mill monitor to pair with it's portables. They can create and market one but they just choose not to.

Paying $900 even for a 24" IPS LED panel may not be ideal for many.

The fact that it's glossy turns me off of it, and I don't take in the glossy myths, just don't want a glossy display. If Apple were to ever create a mini display port 20" PVA panel monitor for the Macbook, Mac Mini, etc users then they would most likely fly off the shelves, but I am sure that the current one is doing the same, so Apple won't bite.
 
It is because of network bandwidth issues with downloadable HD movies that is keeping the Blu-ray format alive. Besides, when the picture quality is outstanding on a Blu-ray disc with its 1080p 24 frames per second video (go see any recent Pixar animated movie mastered onto Blu-ray format and be prepared to watch your jaw drop with its astonishing clarity), even downloadable HD movies look poor in comparison. :)

I wholeheartedly agree... why people profess that the lossy compressed video garbage that Apple is releasing from their store is by any means a worthy evolutionary step on from the quality offered by Blu-Ray is beyond me.

Once the infrastructure of the the internet can support 50Mb+ speeds worldwide and we can download content which isn't so compressed, then maybe that will be the end of optical media. Until that day, get your finger out of your ass Apple and add Blu-Ray as a BTO to your product lines!
 
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