Yes, I have been eyeing lots of NEC displays and some higher end ones made by Eizo and LaCiE.
Or I may just keep looking for a good used price on 23" ACDs and such.
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Apple Discontinues 20" Cinema Display, Product Refreshes Coming?
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Yes, I have been eyeing lots of NEC displays and some higher end ones made by Eizo and LaCiE.
Or I may just keep looking for a good used price on 23" ACDs and such.
I'm switching - - to Dell.
Since Apple are completely ignoring their customers who prefer a matte screen, they're losing my business. I hate to do this, but they simply don't offer a screen product I like. I can't believe that it's finally come to this. The 30-inch doesn't fit in my workspace.
Since Apple are completely ignoring their customers who prefer a matte screen, they're losing my business. I hate to do this, but they simply don't offer a screen product I like. I can't believe that it's finally come to this. The 30-inch doesn't fit in my workspace.
MacMini refreshes have been known to just turn up in the wild before.
As the product is pushed through so many retail channels Apple has held off the press release but started shipping updates to stores. I understand once the press release goes out they have to discount or take back any inventory of the old stock. But on the other side can't let the stock by off the shelves for to long either. So if they can hold off as long as possible.
If that is the case this time well we'll have to wait and see.
It could also be well a mockup.
The only iMac parts that aren't notebook in origin are the display and hard drive. For months there has been discussion that the iMac can't go quad core because notebook quad core chips are too expensive and even the low power desktop ones are too hot for such a thin enclosure.
If the iMac doesn't go quad core, however, their so-called desktop line becomes an even bigger joke than it is today. As I stated earlier the reason to buy a desktop in the first place is to get more power and storage capacity than is possible in a notebook. The current iMac has a faster CPU than most laptops, but the GPU is ancient and even though they use 3.5" hard drives they offer no more stock storage than you'd get with a PC laptop. If you could easily get to the hard drive to put in a larger one it wouldn't matter too much, but to upgrade the HD in an iMac means taking off the glass cover, removing the LCD panel and digging around inside.
To the person who replied to my "the iMac is a 2008 era notebook" comment, you obviously didn't get the point. A 2008 era notebook doesn't begin to compare with a 2008 era desktop in performance/dollar. $1000 in a PC desktop compares favorably with the $2800 Mac Pro. The iMac isn't even in that race.
Apple doesn't sell a true desktop computer with significantly higher specs per dollar than a notebook. That's why people are buying MacBooks or coming here and bitching.
Dream: (1) merge the mini and the AppleTV into a single product with optional external optical drive and HDMI output - most minis are already running as headless servers or attached to TVs; (2) replace the mini with a mini tower.
Apple should look at what Dell, Acer, HP, etc. sell in the $499-999 range, equip their mini-tower with the same basic specs and options and sell it for $749-1499. Psystar, PearC and even most private hackintosh projects would disappear overnight because notebook sales have proven that Apple customers are willing to pay a 50% price premium to get a real Apple computer with MacOS X.
Of course that's just a dream. If the next iMac has a quad core CPU, a modern GPU, FireWire 800 and an accessible hard drive that'll probably be enough to persuade me. Glossy displays tend to over-saturate colors, but my family snapshots don't have to be perfect. I'd like it to have eSATA because it's both faster and less expensive than FW800, but that's about as likely as Apple making a mini tower.
Getting back to the topic, I hope this means new LED backlit iMacs and Cinema displays are just around the corner.
If you read the article in question, the arguments presented by the two "analysts" aren't even coherent. One claims that in this economy "nobody is buying anything" yet also states that Macbook sales are "skyrocketing." But iMac sales are tanking. Hmm, could this have less to do with the economy than the fact that current Macbooks are new and current iMacs are old?
Then the other "analyst" states that form factor upgrades draw the most sales but still advises that Apple should wait a whole year before making form factor upgrades! How does that make sense - do the opposite of what would draw the most sales?
All in all the arguments presented here completely lack internal logic.
All the recent rumours, plus the severely out of date desktop range would suggest an imminent 'desktop' media event with release of Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro and a new range of displays.
Hopefully then it will make sense what the hell they were doing releasing a 'MacBook only' 24" LED display.
Hopefully then it will make sense what the hell they were doing releasing a 'MacBook only' 24" LED display.
'Apple Tax'
The displays are the one place I lose arguments with my friends that the so-called 'Apple Tax' does not exist.
For a company that has a history of being cognoscente of price tiers, $800 for the entry level display is crazy. Somebody needs to tell Apple that, as they say in the restaurant business, they are leaving money on the table. Not everyone is in the design industry and needs resolution and color accuracy to the nth degree. I would have loved to have strolled out of the Apple Store with a 24' monitor. Instead, I had to get a (albeit perfectly acceptable performing) HP from Newegg for less half the cost of Apple's 24' display. Mine also can pivot into portrait!
Just checkout the 'post your setup' section in the forums. I bet you will see as many HP and Dell displays being used as a second, or even first, display (and these are, like me, hardcore Applephiles).
What up, Apple?
The displays are the one place I lose arguments with my friends that the so-called 'Apple Tax' does not exist.
For a company that has a history of being cognoscente of price tiers, $800 for the entry level display is crazy. Somebody needs to tell Apple that, as they say in the restaurant business, they are leaving money on the table. Not everyone is in the design industry and needs resolution and color accuracy to the nth degree. I would have loved to have strolled out of the Apple Store with a 24' monitor. Instead, I had to get a (albeit perfectly acceptable performing) HP from Newegg for less half the cost of Apple's 24' display. Mine also can pivot into portrait!
Just checkout the 'post your setup' section in the forums. I bet you will see as many HP and Dell displays being used as a second, or even first, display (and these are, like me, hardcore Applephiles).
What up, Apple?
Yes, I agree -- the writer did try to stitch together a variety of thoughts and ideas which did not result in a coherent argument. Not that this unusual in the least. Probably better than half of the tech articles I read are constructed in a similar fashion -- the writer has a predisposition, little real knowledge, picks up on a few fragments of what others are saying, repeats some sort of trite conventional wisdom, or a combination of these.
For devil's advocate purposes though, I do see the general point that a company might shy away from releasing an important product into a very bad economy. They may only get one chance for it to make the impact they believe it can have. If the product doesn't sell well because of economic conditions, the real reasons may not matter. It will still be seen as a flop.
I've been a Mac user since the IIci days.
Here are a few rules of thumb.
1) Analysts are always wrong. Period.
2) Apple updates their hardware less frequently, so they'll occasionally have the absolute best, but most often, it lags behind. That's OK though, because the machine is more fun, productive, and will have a better resale value.
3) If you're banging your head on a wall because you're frustrated they haven't updated, then you're not really a Mac user yet. You're still a closet believer in PC 'mega giga'. You have to let go of that to get into the inner circle of the cult.
I hope that helps.
Here are a few rules of thumb.
1) Analysts are always wrong. Period.
2) Apple updates their hardware less frequently, so they'll occasionally have the absolute best, but most often, it lags behind. That's OK though, because the machine is more fun, productive, and will have a better resale value.
3) If you're banging your head on a wall because you're frustrated they haven't updated, then you're not really a Mac user yet. You're still a closet believer in PC 'mega giga'. You have to let go of that to get into the inner circle of the cult.
I hope that helps.
I love the new 24" LED Cinema Display, but I feel somewhat left out in the cold because I have been waiting for Apple to refresh the Cinema Display line for like 3 freaking years and now they refresh it....well, no, just part of it lol. Where are the rest Apple??? For crying out loud you honestly won't redesign all the Cinema Displays in less than 5 years?!?!?!?!?!? WOW!!!
Yeah, at my authorized reseller we haven't sold one in about a month, they better update em soon, people are waiting on this puppy. who wants to throw down 2 grand on a display then have an update 1 week later? not me
I love the new 24" LED Cinema Display, but I feel somewhat left out in the cold because I have been waiting for Apple to refresh the Cinema Display line for like 3 freaking years and now they refresh it....well, no, just part of it lol. Where are the rest Apple??? For crying out loud you honestly won't redesign all the Cinema Displays in less than 5 years?!?!?!?!?!? WOW!!!
if you remember it was very similar with the plastic cinemas (15, 17, 20, 23) for years
Okay, I am a notebook user only so I am biased and I'll concede that point, but maybe the point is that notebooks have come a long long way. I'm typing on a brand new 2.4ghz MB Pro with 4gigs of Ram...tell me what the average $1000 desktop can do that I cannot on this laptop? It's a challenge but I'm also asking honestly. I mean, what are the huge advantages of the desktop here--if any?
2, 3, 5 years ago the differences would be many--I'll give you that, but right now, specs aside, what are the real differences in what I can do using a $1000 Dell desktop vs. my MB Pro?
Of course you feel that way; a 65" Plasma costs real money.
If you had real money, then you'd understand Blu-ray.
I have real money. And Apple ain't getting a single penny of it until they do Blu-ray. And matte screens.
The used iMac 24" (with MATTE screen) I just bought (NOT from the Apple Store) does me just fine.
Please make the new 20" 1920x1200
Please make the new 20" 1920x1200 (if such panels are available). After getting used to the sharpness of 1680x1050 on a 17" MacBook Pro, it's hard to go back to a large pixel pitch like 1920x1200 on a 24". Until they can make affordable 23", 24" and 30" panels with the same pixel pitch as the 17", please at least give us a 20" or 22" with 1920x1200.
Please make the new 20" 1920x1200 (if such panels are available). After getting used to the sharpness of 1680x1050 on a 17" MacBook Pro, it's hard to go back to a large pixel pitch like 1920x1200 on a 24". Until they can make affordable 23", 24" and 30" panels with the same pixel pitch as the 17", please at least give us a 20" or 22" with 1920x1200.
Make a mini DisplayPort 20" monitor? Just makes it more compelling to buy an Apple laptop; this works well for people who bought a MacBook, but don't want to spend another $900 on the 24" when they could spend the difference on a 15" or 17". With a 20", it's affordable enough to convince MacBook owners to buy it without breaking the bank and without cutting into higher models with lower profit margins. Don't forget, they expect to make money when you buy AppleCare, etc. on the monitors.