Apple dissapoints once again with the MacBooks!

[Eidorian]

Get a refurbished 1.83 GHz MacBook Pro and stop complaining? It's only US$1599 now. You get a bigger screen and video power.

2.0 GHz Core Duo (MacBook) vs. Radeon X1600 (MacBook Pro)

 

[balamw]

But I was comparing ultraportable laptops by other vendors with similar specs and the Apple still came in significantly cheaper (most of them had GMA950 too)... That's great and I'm sure sales will boom; regardless of onboard chip...

I agree that sales will probably be pretty good, but "ultraportable" it ain't, unless there's a new definition of that for notebooks.

At 5.2 lbs and 12.78" wide it is 0.6 lbs heavier than the 12" PB and is as wide as the old 14.1 iBook, and is only 0.7 lbs lighter.

With the potential heat issues and diminished battery life, it's not enough to make me want to consider replacing my iBook G4. I'll wait for Merom or beyond...

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[BWhaler]

For the love of God, some people are just trying to be negative.

The flaws (and there are many) in your argument:

1. The Pro line comes with a bigger screen
2. The Pro line comes with a dedicated graphics chip and 128 - 256 MB of memory.

If you don't understand why people will pay more--a lot more--then you're really not trying hard.

Also, in case you're still in the dark:

3. Dual DVi link
4. Lighted Keyboard
5. /34 expansion card

But frankly there is a bigger flaw than the fact that you don't understand the needs of the Pro market.

You are actually complaining about the fact that Apple is offering a ton of computer at a consumer price.

Sorry, but this whole argument and thread is stupid. Ironically, I am sure if the MacBook's had only a 1.33 single core chip, you'd be complaining about that.

Seriously, enjoy the moment and Apple bringing value to consumers. One day when you have Pro level needs, you'll understand why the rest of us spend 3 grand on a MacBook Pro.

 

[zoran]

Your thread title made it sound like you had a problem with the new MacBooks. I think that's what got people confused. Take a little more care naming your thread and people will be less likely to misunderstand you.

You are prolly right, thanx for reading carefylly my views!

 

[zoran]

One day when you have Pro level needs, you'll understand why the rest of us spend 3 grand on a MacBook Pro.

And sooner than u think (expected in August) u will see in the market the upgraded MacBookPro with a 64bit cpu and Leopard (prolly) beeing 3x-4x faster than the fastest 2.16Ghz MBPro u prolly have right now and only within a period of 3months. Thats what im complaining about and it doenst have to do with beeing nagative, weve seen this happen before with the iMac intel transition.
Seems your memory isnt doing too well. People seem to forget, history is there so we learn, do not forget guys!

 

[zoran]

Hello.

I fail to see your dissapointment. Anyone and everyone knows about the Merom coming, and a lot of people are just waiting for it to be put in the MBP's (or maybe dual Meroms??? ), me included. I wouldn't complain about that?

Wouldnt u complain about seeing Apple using what ever its got available to sell and at sutch a high price? And thats just not it, seeing after less than 3-4 months to make replacements/upgrades with 3-4x faster machines with the same money? Of course this is very ok if u havent bought anything and u just wait for the better (Merom MBPros) but imagine if u already have the MBPro and Apple releases after 3months a 3-4x faster machine at the same price! Happened with the iMacs before, why not happen again?

 

[emotion]

And sooner than u think (expected in August) u will see in the market the upgraded MacBookPro with a 64bit cpu and Leopard (prolly) beeing 3x-4x faster than the fastest 2.16Ghz MBPro u prolly have right now and only within a period of 3months. Thats what im complaining about and it doenst have to do with beeing nagative, weve seen this happen before with the iMac intel transition.
Seems your memory isnt doing too well. People seem to forget, history is there so we learn, do not forget guys!

This is what happens in the 'real' computer world. There are constant upgrades to the spec. No-one bats an eyelid when Dell or Compaq do this.

No sense in moaning about it.

 

[zoran]

No sense in moaning about it.

If we dont moan or whine or shout or let them know we dont agree, things will worsen through the years. We already see how things are now, does anyone remember back in the 90s how often things would change?
Look for instance Adobe today, every year she releases version of its apps, heck who needs a new version every year? By the time u get to learn one version the next is out. And im only making an example with the application industry, hardware industry is worse, and all these MacBookPro buyers are making it worse! Im feel sorry for them but guys like those are encouriaging these rythms that occure at the speed of light.
Hold your horses guys!

 

[emotion]

If we dont moan or whine or shout or let them know we dont agree, things will worsen through the years. We already see how things are now, does anyone remember back in the 90s how often things would change?
Look for instance Adobe today, every year she releases version of its apps, heck who needs a new version every year? By the time u get to learn one version the next is out. And im only making an example with the application industry, hardware industry is worse, and all these MacBookPro buyers are making it worse! Im feel sorry for them but guys like those are encouriaging these rythms that occure at the speed of light.
Hold your horses guys!

You just don't get it do you? It's *great* that Apple's hardware specs (I'm not talking shoddy Adobe software) are moving as quickly as the pc world.

Or would you rather they update the specs once every 18 months?

Sheesh.

 

[TexBiker]

You want progress to slow down? Hell, I'd be happy if processor speeds doubled every Tuesday. I want new software releases on AT LEAST a yearly basis, if not sooner. I want memory chip technology to advance as quickly as possible. I want bigger, faster hard drives every month. I just bought a 2ghz 20" iMac with 2GB RAM and 256MB video, but I'd be thrilled to see a more powerful version come out next week. It means there are people out there working to make things better.

If R&D on these technologies didn't take place at a rapid pace, we'd all be playing Oregon Trail 9 on our $3500 Apple IIj with 256k RAM and wondering if we'll ever see that fancy new "VGA" monitor that's rumored to be available 1Q 2009.

Not to mention all the threads with people whining about how these new 3.5" floppy disks aren't really "floppy."

 

[kugino]

Im very displeased to see the MacBook line out with CoreDuo, certainly not because that it has sutch a powerfull cpu and costs so little, but for another reason, why?
Ok... if the Macbook uses the same cpu as the Pro series where does that leave us? Well it leaves us to a major upgrade of the Pro series, and my best guess whould be Merom (or what ever is the new 64bit laptop cpu called, yes im talking about theone that Intel prepares in August). So in other words the Pro series just became now are certainly not worth their cost, even worse when to think about that they will be upgraded before the end of summer when Merom is out. Heckwho would even buy the Pro series since the difference between them and MacBooks are in some cases more than 1000-1500 and their hardware differences are now dimished more than ever!

This whole situation (of the new coming of the MacBook series that surely identifies the upgrade of the pro series soon) is not something we havent encountered from Apple before, does anyone remember the rapid change between the iMacG5 (2nd version) with the new intel iMac! Well thats gonna happen once more u guys, be prepared.

dude, how old are you? or is English your second language? learn how to spell! at least check your spelling in the title of the thread!

 

[Infinity]

Quite a strange thing to complain about really. Seems like Apple is full of dissapointments according to some. I for one am not dissapointed at this, it just opens up more choices for decent machines depending on your finances.

 

[zoran]

dude, how old are you? or is English your second language? learn how to spell! at least check your spelling in the title of the thread!

English is my third language!

 

[zoran]

You want progress to slow down? Hell, I'd be happy if processor speeds doubled every Tuesday."

Im not intrested in spending 2500$ for MBPro having duo core and then after 3months see the new MBPro beeing 3-4-5x faster with Merom, its as simple as that. Think about it. I want to get a computer that can last as long as possible, very simple again.

 

[zoran]

Quite a strange thing to complain about really. Seems like Apple is full of dissapointments according to some. I for one am not dissapointed at this, it just opens up more choices for decent machines depending on your finances.

Exactly... depending on your finances, that means that u have to have a lot of money to keep up with technology nowadays. Its a one way only, cause a fast machine will not last since the software becomes more greedy too. All are going too fast. Guys its only common sense.

 

[emotion]

Im not intrested in spending 2500$ for MBPro having duo core and then after 3months see the new MBPro beeing 3-4-5x faster with Merom, its as simple as that. Think about it. I want to get a computer that can last as long as possible, very simple again.

Don't buy one then.

Merom isn't going to make _that_ much difference you know. It's not like the jump from G4 to Intel.

 

[zoran]

Don't buy one then.

Merom isn't going to make _that_ much difference you know. It's not like the jump from G4 to Intel.

Dont buy one, wow thanx for the tip man. Im trying to make a difference here and stand up and say something about this technological rolercoaster we are passengers on and everyone thinks im just wining. Well theres more to this thread than the title guys so open your eyes and lets speak up for sutch things.

 

[Capt Underpants]

And sooner than u think (expected in August) u will see in the market the upgraded MacBookPro with a 64bit cpu and Leopard (prolly) beeing 3x-4x faster than the fastest 2.16Ghz MBPro u prolly have right now and only within a period of 3months. Thats what im complaining about and it doenst have to do with beeing nagative, weve seen this happen before with the iMac intel transition.
Seems your memory isnt doing too well. People seem to forget, history is there so we learn, do not forget guys!

Get your facts straight. Merom will have 20% better performance while keeping the same power draw, definitely not the 300-400% gain that you claim. You can read up on Intel's Next Gen in this article.

 

[zoran]

Get your facts straight. Merom will have 20% better performance while keeping the same power draw, definitely not the 300-400% gain that you claim. You can read up on Intel's Next Gen in this article.

Well for your information a laptops speed isnt only cpu and ram wise, have u ever heard of 7200rpm HDs? Also note that Merom is 64bit plus the fact it will work like a charm on Leopard...
Thank you!

 

[andiwm2003]

Im very displeased to see the MacBook line out with CoreDuo, certainly not because that it has sutch a powerfull cpu and costs so little, but for another reason, why?
Ok... if the Macbook uses the same cpu as the Pro series where does that leave us? Well it leaves us to a major upgrade of the Pro series, and my best guess whould be Merom (or what ever is the new 64bit laptop cpu called, yes im talking about theone that Intel prepares in August). So in other words the Pro series just became now are certainly not worth their cost, even worse when to think about that they will be upgraded before the end of summer when Merom is out. Heckwho would even buy the Pro series since the difference between them and MacBooks are in some cases more than 1000-1500 and their hardware differences are now dimished more than ever!

This whole situation (of the new coming of the MacBook series that surely identifies the upgrade of the pro series soon) is not something we havent encountered from Apple before, does anyone remember the rapid change between the iMacG5 (2nd version) with the new intel iMac! Well thats gonna happen once more u guys, be prepared.

aehm, everthing you write seems actually positive too me.

faster update cycles: very good

low end macs catch up with high end macs soon: good, because that leads to even faster update cycles or price drops.

finally the ridiculously high prices for used macs will come down: good.

i don't see your problem. i'm very satisfied with apple.

 

[emotion]

Im trying to make a difference here and stand up and say something about this technological rolercoaster we are passengers on and everyone thinks im just wining. Well theres more to this thread than the title guys so open your eyes and lets speak up for sutch things.

Ever heard of King Canute?

You must be really new to the world of computing. Technology moves on really fast (ok Apple haven't moved as fast as the the leading edge, things have changed....for the better). If that upsets you then that's a shame.

 

[zoran]

aehm, everthing you write seems actually positive too me.
faster update cycles: very good
low end macs catch up with high end macs soon: good, because that leads to even faster update cycles or price drops.
finally the ridiculously high prices for used macs will come down: good.
i don't see your problem. i'm very satisfied with apple.

1. what mac do u have now?
2. how mutch did u get it
3. will u buy one soon? which?

 

[emotion]

1. what mac do u have now?
2. how mutch did u get it
3. will u buy one soon? which?

I know this isn't directed at me but I'll bite.

1. 2x 12" powerbooks (one 867 from work and my own 1.33GHz)
2. 867 from work, the 1.33 about £1100
3. New one in the new year/spring (or maybe the autumn when/if the small mbp arrives). Three years of heavy use for 1100 quid. Very very good value I'd say and the thing still does everything I want it too.

So Zoran. Your point?

 

[milo]

Exactly... depending on your finances, that means that u have to have a lot of money to keep up with technology nowadays. Its a one way only, cause a fast machine will not last since the software becomes more greedy too. All are going too fast. Guys its only common sense.

So who says you always have to have the latest and greatest? You buy a machine, it does the job. Even if way faster machines come out, you can still usually get at least three years (and often more) out of a new mac. The faster a machine is the more it WILL last.

Now is the BEST time we've ever seen to buy a mac. Improvement is good. If you're afraid of it, just buy a machine and put your hands over your ears ( a nice loud "LA LA LA" might help).

 

[andiwm2003]

1. what mac do u have now? 2 year old PB G4 1.5GHz

2. how mutch did u get it? almost $3000

3. will u buy one soon? which?
macbook or mac mini to start intel transition. then a powermac when a rev. comes out that satisfies my needs.

the last point is the important one:

when i bought my PB 2 years ago i also wanted a powermac or an imac. but apple never really came up with a significantly faster model that i liked. always just small speed bumps. so i bought nothing.

now apple brings significant upgrades every 6 month and with merom, yonah, maybe quadcores this trend will continue for the next years. so i can choose between many models, if i don't find anything i just wait for a few month and i will get what i want.

for example: i wanted a mac mini for a while but they couldn't play H.264 videos fast enough so i couldn't get one. now i can choose between a mac mini, a macbook or wait for the next revision of the mac mini with most likely a 2GHz core duo. or i can wait 6 month and the macbook will most likely have a better intel graphics chip. so within the next 6 month i will get whatever i want.