Apple dissapoints once again with the MacBooks!

[zoran]

I know it happened before and that's why I don't feel sorry for the people who just "need" the "bestest" Rev A. MBP. It's ok to wait imho.

Dont feel sorry? Yeah you are 50% right on this but shouldnt Apple protect its customers and not make them feel sorry by machines she provides? She has the other 50% to blame here, and i would give her actually 70%, cause the consumer is an "ill" person he is vunerable and guys we are all "ill" lets fight this illness as best we can!

 

[Counterfit]

I'm going to break one of my rules here, and post after only seeing the first page.

Anyways: How can Apple disappoint again with the MacBooks, when they were just released?

Dont feel sorry? Yeah you are 50% right on this but shouldnt Apple protect its customers and not make them feel sorry by machines she provides? She has the other 50% to blame here, and i would give her actually 70%, cause the consumer is an "ill" person he is vunerable and guys we are all "ill" lets fight this illness as best we can!

Why are you referring to Apple using a gender-specific pronoun? And what the **** did that post even mean?

 

[kugino]

as far as i can tell (and i don't understand 1/2 of the OP's posts) the OP is complaining because he bought a MBP and the new MBs are almost as good for half the price...is that correct?

geez, what a whiner. everyone knew the macbooks were going to be introduced...everyone knew the general specs...why is this guy pissed off at apple for giving us even more than was expected? (at least in terms of processor speed)...why? because his machine isn't worth as much now...give me a &#)*$& break!

 

[zoran]

as far as i can tell (and i don't understand 1/2 of the OP's posts) the OP is complaining because he bought a MBP and the new MBs are almost as good for half the price...is that correct?

geez, what a whiner. everyone knew the macbooks were going to be introduced...everyone knew the general specs...why is this guy pissed off at apple for giving us even more than was expected? (at least in terms of processor speed)...why? because his machine isn't worth as much now...give me a &#)*$& break!

Still missing the point, also reading some posts might help u in that the title i gave isnt very correct. Read and see my full views on the matter. And to set things straight, i dont have a MBPro nor MacBook

 

[TexBiker]

The OP apparently has this misguided notion that technology is moving too fast.

I don't understand how or why you feel that the release of faster, more powerful computers somehow renders your current computer useless or obsolete. If it does the job for which you purchased it, then it's still just as good as the day you bought it. Who cares if a newer model comes out in a few weeks or months? It doesn't mean your current PC will cease to function. Rapid advancements in technology ultimately lead to more performance at a lower cost. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

No matter what you buy...TV, toaster, automobile, telephone...a more advanced model will be available in the near future. That's the nature of progress. If your ego gets bruised when your PC is no longer at the top of the food chain, then the problem lies with you...not with Apple.

 

[zoran]

The OP apparently has this misguided notion that technology is moving too fast.

I don't understand how or why you feel that the release of faster, more powerful computers somehow renders your current computer useless or obsolete. If it does the job for which you purchased it, then it's still just as good as the day you bought it. Who cares if a newer model comes out in a few weeks or months? It doesn't mean your current PC will cease to function. Rapid advancements in technology ultimately lead to more performance at a lower cost. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

No matter what you buy...TV, toaster, automobile, telephone...a more advanced model will be available in the near future. That's the nature of progress. If your ego gets bruised when your PC is no longer at the top of the food chain, then the problem lies with you...not with Apple.

Ok this thread has taken long enough and im tired of repeating the same things to each and everyone thats oposed to me.
TexBiker:
1. would you have purchased an iMacG5 (2nd version) if u knew that in 2months the intel iMac would be out and at the same price?
2. would you have purchased the MacBookPro In May if u knew that Apple will make almost as fast MacBooks in the same month and it would cost u half the money?
3. would u buy the MBpro if u knew that in August MBpros will upgrade with moer powerfull cpus, less consuming etc. still at the same price?

these questions stand to everyone in this thread! And im out i dont want to answer anything else...tired!
Wake up u guys and realise what im saying!
Thanx for reading and putting up with my ideas!

 

[TexBiker]

Ok this thread has taken long enough and im tired of repeating the same things to each and everyone thats oposed to me.
TexBiker:
1. would you have purchased an iMacG5 (2nd version) if u knew that in 2months the intel iMac would be out and at the same price?
2. would you have purchased the MacBookPro In May if u knew that Apple will make almost as fast MacBooks in the same month and it would cost u half the money?
3. would u buy the MBpro if u knew that in August MBpros will upgrade with moer powerfull cpus, less consuming etc. still at the same price?

1. If the G5 would do everything I needed to do at the time, then yes. There will always be a newer, faster edition for the same (or lower) price in a few months. That's the best aspect of the computer industry, IMO.

2. Same answer as above. I buy what I need, when I need it. I couldn't care less what else gets released later or how much it costs.

3. Same answer as above. If you keep waiting for the "next one", you'll never buy anything.

 

[notjustjay]

1. would you have purchased an iMacG5 (2nd version) if u knew that in 2months the intel iMac would be out and at the same price?
2. would you have purchased the MacBookPro In May if u knew that Apple will make almost as fast MacBooks in the same month and it would cost u half the money?
3. would u buy the MBpro if u knew that in August MBpros will upgrade with moer powerfull cpus, less consuming etc. still at the same price?

And my answers still stand, as I had posted previously. The answer to all three of your questions is "It depends".

All of your questions are based on the assumption that "I know" that in 2 months Apple would release something much better at the same price or less. To some extent that's not a credible assumption, as most people can't "know" exactly when Apple releases things, although nowadays it's easier to predict since we can just look at the Intel roadmap. Plus, people here are always arguing and predicting, so it's easier to get a sense of when things might get upgraded. That said...

Scenario 1: If I NEED a Mac to get a job done, NOW, then I will buy one. I will buy the best I can get, with all the features I need, at the best price I can find.

Scenario 2: If I do not NEED a Mac, but instead simply WANT a Mac, then I will weigh my options and decide accordingly. I will look at the roadmap and read the rumors and speculation. If everyone is talking about an imminent release of the MacBook, or intel iMac, or whatever, then I will WAIT A WHILE and see what happens. When I can no longer wait (I NEED this thing soon because a client needs a job done or my old Mac is broken), the situation turns into scenario 1, and I buy whatever I have to buy.

When possible I try to time my purchases so that I get a decent amount of "cutting edge" time before the latest and greatest is released. So, if I knew a new machine was due next month, then no, I wouldn't buy the old one (unless I NEED it, Scenario 1)... but if it's not due for 6 months, then sure, why not.

Zoran, with your logic, why would you ever buy a computer at all? Whatever you buy today, will be obsoleted in a week, in a month, in 3 months. Think of what you'll be able to buy in a year from now, for the same price.

It's all about what you NEED and not just what you WANT.

 

[26139]

More fun stats...

Originally Posted by zoran
Dont feel sorry? Yeah you are 50% right on this but shouldnt Apple protect its customers and not make them feel sorry by machines she provides? She has the other 50% to blame here, and i would give her actually 70%, cause the consumer is an "ill" person he is vunerable and guys we are all "ill" lets fight this illness as best we can!

I think 20% of the people agree with 30% of what you say 47% of the time.

 

[jefhatfield]

i finally got to try out a macbook at the apple store in stanford shopping center

it's thin and sleek
it's lightweight
the keyboard is very sturdy
the display is very nice
the price is right

one con, according to the salespeople:

it has integrated graphics, and not dedicated graphics, so it won't run adobe software as well as ibooks ran adobe software from the same period of their reign from 1999-2006 when ibooks had dedicated graphics which worked well with photoshop, illustrator, and pagemaker

i have a rev a ibook, 300 mhz G3 processor, with just a 4 mb dedicated ati graphics card, and it ran the then current photoshop (5.5), illustrator (8), and pagemaker just fine

the problem with integrated graphics, even if a lot of ram, even fast ram, is shared with the main motherboard, is that extra time the computer uses to address ram through the system bus to the adobe app that makes things bog up

one lady at the apple store wanted a small, low cost laptop for adobe apps, and the salespeople suggested the 12" inch ibook because of its superior performance with adobe apps...but for anybody else, it makes way more sense to buy a macbook since the vast majority of computer users will not be running around in photoshop

even if you own photoshop, like i do, and other adobe apps, i have never sat down and learned this very huge and difficult program to do anything close to its capability...so for what i do with photoshop, which is very, very modest, i think i could still get by with the macbook, integrated graphics and all

 

[26139]

I dunno...

For NOW the macbook won't run adobe apps natively, so a fair comparison will have to wait.

I did hear that the intel minis (integrated vram) did a much better than expected job with video ram intensive apps. Any truth to this?

Oh, and if you are using graphic design or video apps often, you probably would be quite disappointed with the screen size/resolution of most small laptops anyway. InDesign runs just great on my 12", 1.5ghz powerbook, but I nearly ALWAYS use an external monitor.

 

[jefhatfield]

For NOW the macbook won't run adobe apps natively, so a fair comparison will have to wait.

the apple sales guy said that when the adobe apps go native, it may help a little for the macbook, but the main point was that the laptop has integrated graphics and that was the disappointment for adobe fans who use macs

also some gamers may not be happy that the macbook has integrated graphics

again, for me, i think the macbook would suit me just fine...and the price is right

 

[bigandy]

Well for your information a laptops speed isnt only cpu and ram wise, have u ever heard of 7200rpm HDs? Also note that Merom is 64bit plus the fact it will work like a charm on Leopard...
Thank you!

7200RPM HDDs - everyone starts complaining about pish battery life

64bit chips - there is minimal to zero consumer advantage of this alone, so stop using it as an excuse

Leopard - so you think the current Macs wont work like a charm?

What?

 

[blitzydog]

If you wanna be playing Doom3 or making 300dpi 80x50inch posters in photoshop, the Macbook may not be the right choice, but for ****'s sake, cut it a little slack! The 950 is NOT a complete piece of junk. You guys make it out to seem like it can't even run Doom -1-! Seriously folks, quit the crap. It's a very very decent GPU and can do most things quite nicely - just not the high end graphics stuff. It's far superior than the 9200 and 9550 found in the G4 iBooks - NO QUESTION.

 

[bigandy]

Couple that with a 10.4" ws and separate dvd and now we're talking

talking about what?

the failing eyesight of everyone that's trying to read what they've written on MR on this because the text is so bloody small?

 

[bigandy]

If you wanna be playing Doom3 or making 300dpi 80x50inch posters in photoshop, the Macbook may not be the right choice, but for ****'s sake, cut it a little slack! The 950 is NOT a complete piece of junk. You guys make it out to seem like it can't even run Doom -1-! Seriously folks, quit the crap. It's a very very decent GPU and can do most things quite nicely - just not the high end graphics stuff. It's far superior than the 9200 and 9550 found in the G4 iBooks - NO QUESTION.

well said that man.

i'm starting to get really angry at everyone just constantly complaining about the IIG..

 

[bigandy]

It's a sad world we live in, when computers can be upgraded regularly, new car models come out every year, TVs get cheaper and cheaper, and so on.

but one thing will always stay true:

new models will come out. your existing ones will depreciate in value, whichever area you're buying in (computers, TVs, cars, etc). deal with it.

 

[jefhatfield]

It's far superior than the 9200 and 9550 found in the G4 iBooks - NO QUESTION.

that would be nice...but how do you know that? i am not challenging you since i was just a student and not a practicing computer engineer, and i only took one graphics class in college (which was over my head ) but i would tend to believe the apple genius at the genius bar more than you...unless their motivation is to sell macbook pros to any and all people who utter the word "adobe"

and i am not saying all apple genius bar employees know everything about everything

i would like to see some real world benchmarks on adobe apps with the macbook now, and when the adobe apps go native...and then compare them to how they ran with the ibooks running cs 2...to get somewhat of an idea

 

[Eidorian]

http://www.macworld.com/2006/05/firstlooks/macbookbench/index.php

 

[emotion]

talking about what?

the failing eyesight of everyone that's trying to read what they've written on MR on this because the text is so bloody small?

No one says that about PDAs etc.

With Expose it's amazing how small a screen you actually need.

In any case I'm quite happy with my 12" Powerbook (my main machine) and it's relatively low spec screen. A move to a smaller screen with a better resolution and brightness appeals to me and many others.

If you have failing eye sight buy a bigger machine grandad.

 

[jefhatfield]

http://www.macworld.com/2006/05/firstlooks/macbookbench/index.php

thanks for the link...very interesting stuff

my guess, but it's still hard to know, is that when the adobe suite goes native for the macbook, the macbook adobe suite benchmark (2:38 -2:53) will greatly speed up from its slow mark and perhaps beat the ibook adobe suite benchmark (1:49)

that being said, the macbook is still far superior to the ibook

 

[sparks9]

You are a whiner.

This is the end of this thread.

 

[emotion]

7200RPM HDDs - everyone starts complaining about pish battery life

7200 drives (well when i looked for the powerbook) don't consume much more (if any more) energy and produce similar heat as their 5400 counterparts.

64bit chips - there is minimal to zero consumer advantage of this alone, so stop using it as an excuse

Leopard - so you think the current Macs wont work like a charm?

I completely agree on these two points.

 

[jdechko]

A lot of people have voiced some good opinions here and I just thought I'd say my piece.

I'd be pissed if I'd have purchased the low end MBP only to have it bumped a week later. I'd also be pissed if I'd paid $300 for the upgrade to have it thrown in for free a week later.

The thing we all need to realize is that we **should** be buying a computer that suits our present needs. If we truly shop that way, when the upgrades come around in 2 weeks, we can get over it, knowing that we bought what we needed. I think too many people (here and other places) buy things (iPods, Cell phones--God I hate the RAZR now, computers, etc) as status symbols, rather than to fulfill a need. The consumer mindset has shifted to the latter way of thinking.

I have a "Fat" iPod, but it still plays music just fine. My old wintel laptop does the trick still, so I haven't upgraded yet. But when I do, I'll evaluate my needs and I'll buy the fastest computer (desktop) that I can afford that fits those needs.

 

[mwpeters8182]

Isn't most of the processing done in the Adobe apps CPU, rather than GFX card intensive? I know there's the Quartz stuff, but the general graphics acceleration on the mac minis in X seems to be adequate.

I'm looking forward to picking up a MacBook. I'd love the Pro, as I think it still provides a lot more features, but I just can't afford it.

As far as the genius bar goes, I've found that I've known more than them a bunch of stuff when I've been there, but then again, I'm an engineer. Since I started going to a different apple store for help, the crew has been much better, and far less condescending.