Apple dissapoints once again with the MacBooks!

[zoran]

I rest my case, but... lets all take a good look at the sales of intelMacs until August 2006 and then compare them to the sales after August. I think most of you agree with me in not purchasing an intel mac just yet (not if you need it of course) just because Apple hasnt made things steady yet.
Also i dont see anyone of the opositioners that support the fact to purchase if they need, to have purchased an intelMac, especially a MBPro, hehe i wonder why! Plz tell us.
Also all opositioners have older G4 machines,i wonder why again!

 

[TexBiker]

Also i dont see anyone of the opositioners that support the fact to purchase if they need, to have purchased an intelMac, especially a MBPro, hehe i wonder why! Plz tell us.
Also all opositioners have older G4 machines,i wonder why again!

You need to read a bit more carefully. As I stated in a previous post, I just purchased a new Intel iMac (20", 2.0Ghz, 2GB Ram, 256MB vid) this month. It's perfect for my current needs.

If Apple introduced a new one with twice the power and speed for less money next week, it wouldn't change the capabilities of my current machine.

 

[zoran]

If Apple introduced a new one with twice the power and speed for less money next week, it wouldn't change the capabilities of my current machine.

The capabilities are u serious? Ha ha nothing can change them. The negative of the advance of technology is only that it makes your machine to last less and beeing speedy for a shorter period. Of course im putting aside the positives only cause its not the issue here.
Anyway so the advance of technology isnt responsible for reducing capibilities like u said but it seems to me that u have a very wrong perception about what is the negative effect technology makes on your machine.

On the other matter who else has an intelMac around? Also know this, the intelv iMac is a very good buy, the G5iMac isnt, if u had a G5 you would be feeling sorry believe me!

 

[kugino]

Still missing the point, also reading some posts might help u in that the title i gave isnt very correct. Read and see my full views on the matter. And to set things straight, i dont have a MBPro nor MacBook

Zzzzzzzz....

 

[nxent]

Im very displeased to see the MacBook line out with CoreDuo, certainly not because that it has sutch a powerfull cpu and costs so little, but for another reason, why?
Ok... if the Macbook uses the same cpu as the Pro series where does that leave us? Well it leaves us to a major upgrade of the Pro series, and my best guess whould be Merom (or what ever is the new 64bit laptop cpu called, yes im talking about theone that Intel prepares in August). So in other words the Pro series just became now are certainly not worth their cost, even worse when to think about that they will be upgraded before the end of summer when Merom is out. Heckwho would even buy the Pro series since the difference between them and MacBooks are in some cases more than 1000-1500 and their hardware differences are now dimished more than ever!

This whole situation (of the new coming of the MacBook series that surely identifies the upgrade of the pro series soon) is not something we havent encountered from Apple before, does anyone remember the rapid change between the iMacG5 (2nd version) with the new intel iMac! Well thats gonna happen once more u guys, be prepared.

well, i'm not dissappointed at all. granted, it does lessen the selling point of the macbook pro. but look at the fact that the macbooks have an onboard intel graphics card.. whereas the macbook pros sport an ATI X1600. the gpu alone could cover that entire price difference. i'm interested in seeing the performance difference between the macbooks and the macbook pros...

 

[TexBiker]

Anyway so the advance of technology isnt responsible for reducing capibilities like u said but it seems to me that u have a very wrong perception about what is the negative effect technology makes on your machine.

That's simply your opinion and I disagree.

I'm perfectly aware of the effect new technology has on my equipment. These effects have been the same for 20+ years. Every computer (along with nearly every other consumer product we buy) is subject to becoming obsolete over time as newer models are introduced. You see this as a negative, but I see it as a positive since it means we're always moving forward. If I needed a more powerful computer in the near future, I'm sure one will be available.

It would be a far worse fate indeed if my 6yr old PC was still top-of-the-line.

 

[zoran]

That's simply your opinion and I disagree.

I'm perfectly aware of the effect new technology has on my equipment. These effects have been the same for 20+ years. Every computer (along with nearly every other consumer product we buy) is subject to becoming obsolete over time as newer models are introduced. You see this as a negative, but I see it as a positive since it means we're always moving forward. If I needed a more powerful computer in the near future, I'm sure one will be available.

It would be a far worse fate indeed if my 6yr old PC was still top-of-the-line.

U are so narow minded, the effect that technology has on the world of course is positive, but what effect it has on your wallet is a different thing. Right now everyone that has purchased the G5iMac surelly got angry with the arrival of the intel iMac. Same with the MacBookPro. Its so simple accept it for your sake. For eg. Macbook pros this moment are not worth it. Gee isnt here anyone that can agree with me? Im alone in this world... but thats what makes me special!

 

[zap2]

2. would you have purchased the MacBookPro In May if u knew that Apple will make almost as fast MacBooks in the same month and it would cost u half the money?

BUt it not, the MacBook Pro Smokes the MacBook even the 1.83Ghz MBP are still better then the MacBook.

 

[zoran]

BUt it not, the MacBook Pro Smokes the MacBook even the 1.83Ghz MBP are still better then the MacBook.

Only in the graphics department! Only

 

[zap2]

U are so narow minded, the effect that technology has on the world of course is positive, but what effect it has on your wallet is a different thing. Right now everyone that has purchased the G5iMac surelly got angry with the arrival of the intel iMac. Same with the MacBookPro. Its so simple accept it for your sake. For eg. Macbook pros this moment are not worth it. Gee isnt here anyone that can agree with me? Im alone in this world... but thats what makes me special!

You one of those people who thinks buying a computer is always the wrong time? Jesus you are narrow minded, anyone who looks at this computer and the next new one, only that is narrow minded. If someone need a PPC only App and got a 15'' PowerBook our they wrong.. NO, now they have more $$ for the next Mac, also they need what the NEED NOW!

Gosh i'm sorry but i need to rant!

 

[zoran]

You one of those people who thinks buying a computer is always the wrong time? Jesus you are narrow minded, anyone who looks at this computer and the next new one, only that is narrow minded. If someone need a PPC only App and got a 15'' PowerBook our they wrong.. NO, now they have more $$ for the next Mac, also they need what the NEED NOW!

Gosh i'm sorry but i need to rant!

Im only judging facts and our conversation would have already ended if u would give a bit more thought to them! They are undisputed facts, im not mentioning them again, period. Have a nice spending life that will please Apples (and not only) "leeches". Suck him dry ladies!!!! cheers!

 

[zap2]

Only in the graphics department! Only

Nope.. the 170Mhz difference will not make the MacBook that much better. The MacBook Pro has a

1) Better GPU(which is a HUGE DEAL for games and such)
2) Bigger and Better Resolution Screen
3) Backligh on keyboard
4)More Display support(Supports 2 models and the 30'')
5)Bigger Hard Drive(on the stock model or at max specs a faster one)
6)ExpressCard/34

Need more?

 

[zap2]

Im only judging facts and our conversation would have already ended if u would give a bit more thought to them! They are undisputed facts, im not mentioning them again, period. Have a nice spending life that will please Apples (and not only) "leeches". Suck him dry ladies!!!! cheers!

still using my iMac G5 and it does all i need plus more.. really my iBook G4 does everything i need. My brothers iMac does what he needs it to. The computer world moves like that, and i can't see it as a bad thing

 

[zoran]

Nope.. the 170Mhz difference will not make the MacBook that much better. The MacBook Pro has a

1) Better GPU(which is a HUGE DEAL for games and such)
2) Bigger and Better Resolution Screen
3) Backligh on keyboard
4)More Display support(Supports 2 models and the 30'')
5)Bigger Hard Drive(on the stock model or at max specs a faster one)
6)ExpressCard/34

Need more?

1. very little difference
2. doesnt make it faster
3. doesnt make it faster
4. doesnt make it faster
5. very very little difference
6. doesnt make it faster

yes of course i need more if i have to pay 1500 to work faster on heavy apps (thats what the Pro series is about isnt it?)

 

[mwpeters8182]

No, the pro series is about doing more. This doesn't necessarily mean faster. Apple isn't going to put celerons in their machines, as they're charging a premium as is. And really, $1000 isn't nearly as cheap as the entry level Dells, Gateways, HPs, Compaqs, etc.

For a graphics professional, a larger screen is paramount. For someone who does 3d work, they need the GPU - there's an IMMENSE difference there. The card slot works well for those who travel and need to use their cell phone to connect to the internet (yet another necessity for professionals).

However, for a number cruncher who needs some basic 3D capabilities like myself, the MacBook is fine.

 

[TexBiker]

U are so narow minded, the effect that technology has on the world of course is positive, but what effect it has on your wallet is a different thing.

Once again, if you actually read my posts you'd see that I already answered that question previously. I couldn't care less about the money. It's simply not a factor for me. I buy what I need, when I need it. Most of the Macintosh buyers I know feel the same way. If I cared about the cost, I'd buy a Dell for 25% of the cost. I could go the rest of my life waiting a couple of months to save a few bucks, but then I'd never buy anything. And I'm the narrow-minded one here? Tell me, are you pot or kettle?

Right now everyone that has purchased the G5iMac surelly got angry with the arrival of the intel iMac. Same with the MacBookPro. Its so simple accept it for your sake.

This thread is full of people who own the older models and you're the only one who seems angry about it.

For eg. Macbook pros this moment are not worth it. Gee isnt here anyone that can agree with me? Im alone in this world... but thats what makes me special!

You seem to think that your opinions are actually facts. There are many people who think the MBP is worth the price. Simply because you disagree doesn't mean they're wrong.

 

[bigandy]

No one says that about PDAs etc.

because nobody uses them for browsing proper websites (that i know of, anyway); nobody uses them for iLife style apps; and, to my point there, nobody uses them for full blown wordprocessing. if they did i'd ask them what they were smoking and where i could procure some...

If you have failing eye sight buy a bigger machine grandad.

yeah, cheers. i'm 24.

 

[zoran]

Check my poll out everybody, but be sincere, we must communicate a precise/true msg to Apple, here is our chance to do so!

 

[JOE40]

Viva Le Differance !

MB vs. MB Pro

Backlit keyboard with ambient light sensors
Expresss Card Slot
Sudden Motion Sensor

15.4-inch (diagonal), 1440 x 900 resolution, TFT widescreen MB Pro
13.3-inch (diagonal) glossy TFT widescreen display, 1280 x 800 resolution MB
(MBPro Glossy originally not offered at launch)

ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 w/128 or 256MB GDDR3 SDRAM & dual-link DVI MB Pro
Intel GMA 950 graphics processor w/64MB DDR2 SDRAM shared w/main Mem MB

DVI to VGA adapter included on MBPro for External Video, option on MB

Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display MBPro

Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 x 1200 pixels on an external display MB

AppleCare MBPro = $349
AppleCare MB = $249

 

[MRU]

I understand the benefits of the MacBookPro, but to me the MacBook offers me as much for my needs.

I'll have it hooked up to an ACD 20" for day to day work and when I need to go on the road to meet clients about designs etc, the macbook will be a fine machine to do this.

I had a powerbook 15" upto March this year, never ever used the Express slot, higer res isnt important as as I say I hook it up to my 20" while working, HardDrive space not important as everything I store on external fast HDD, and backlight keyboard is a novelty that wears off, most of the time I had mine turned off..

I do consider myself a pro (I'm a graphic designer) and for all my needs, Creative Suite 2, Corel Painter IX.5, Freeway Pro 4, Quark etc.... a MacBook with 2gb of Ram provides me as much speed and use as a MacBook Pro.

None of the apps I use are GPU intensive, only CPU..

I think it's pretty unfair to just say its not for pro use, when for people like myself it will be as much a pro machine as any macbookpro or powerbook.

Games are not important to me, I can use my 360 for that anyway....

 

[ManchesterTrix]

1. would you have purchased an iMacG5 (2nd version) if u knew that in 2months the intel iMac would be out and at the same price?

Probably not, because I have no use for an iMac, Intel or G5.

2. would you have purchased the MacBookPro In May if u knew that Apple will make almost as fast MacBooks in the same month and it would cost u half the money?

Yes, because the MBP has features the Macbook doesn't.

3. would u buy the MBpro if u knew that in August MBpros will upgrade with moer powerfull cpus, less consuming etc. still at the same price?

Yes. I did exactly that. Because I needed a computer, and the MBP provided what I needed at a I price I found accepatable. That's how things work in the adult world.

 

[Play Ultimate]

Technology changes at lightning speed, it is a fact of modern life. I remember once seeing it written that if automobile technology evolved as fast as computer technology did, then we could all be driving flying cars that get a million miles to the gallon, and we would throw them away when we reached our destination because it would be cheaper to buy a new car for the return trip home than to pay to park the old one.

Or something along those lines.

Anyway, the point is this: If I decide that I NEED a computer today, I will shop around and buy one that does what I need, at a dollar amount I am happy with. A few months down the line, that same dollar amount will buy substantially more power. This is a GIVEN. But that doesn't change the fact that (a) the machine I bought is STILL powerful enough to do what I bought it to do (it did not magically become slower), and (b) regardless of current market value, I was STILL happy to pay that dollar amount when I bought the machine. And, the difference between what you paid then, and what you would pay today, is the cost of all the useful work your computer has already done between then and now!

Unless your needs have dramatically changed (and Microsoft and the gaming industry appear to promote this by constantly releasing new software that "requires" faster and faster machines), your computer is still doing what you paid for it to do. You will "get your money's worth" (as Zoran stated it) as long as your computer continues to do what you bought it for.

If you are seriously upset that you "should have waited" or you are jealous that your buddy paid less than you did, I submit that you are either being juvenile, or you didn't really "need" the computer you bought in the first place.

I have a 12" Powerbook, and I paid over $3000 Cdn for it. I am SO EXCITED that sometime this year for well under $3000 I could buy a 15" MacBookPro which is going to blow my laptop's performance out of the water. But do I NEED to? ... no, not really. My 12" is doing what I need it to do, and until that changes, I am still getting my money's worth.

Thank you. I agree 100%.

Additionally, the point of Zoran, and too many others that hang out here, is that they want to have the cutting edge computer system. With the move to Intel chips, the cutting edge system is getting better every day. Heck, I can see at least chip upgrade in the MacBook before year-end. If that matters, then wait. Or buy what you need today and be happy that it will still do the job in a year.
I see new hammers, screw drivers, and other tools for sale all the time at Home Depot. But I think my 5 year old hammer can still do the job just fine. A computer is nothing more than another tool.

 

[zap2]

yes of course i need more if i have to pay 1500 to work faster on heavy apps (thats what the Pro series is about isnt it?)

1) Better GPU(which is a HUGE DEAL for games and such)
2) Bigger and Better Resolution Screen
3) Backligh on keyboard
4)More Display support(Supports 2 models and the 30'')
5)Bigger Hard Drive(on the stock model or at max specs a faster one)
6)ExpressCard/34



1) Makes a huge difference for a Pro who needs a 30'' Screen or 2 screens or games
2) Better screen makes it easier to use and more space to do stuff and its 15'' which makes it cost more for every computer maker
3)BackLight helps people work in dark places and its nice to use
4)More displays mean more places to work, making things go faster
5)Bigger and faster HD matter, as they are the bottle neck of some Mac/PC
6) Card helps adds that Pros need


The extras of MBP make it better then the MB. Also the MBP do not get forced into a glossy screen

 

[amin]

On the other matter who else has an intelMac around? Also know this, the intelv iMac is a very good buy, the G5iMac isnt, if u had a G5 you would be feeling sorry believe me!

I bought a 15" G4 Powerbook in 2005, and I love it. I have no regrets whatsoever. The new MacBooks are very appealing to me, but my G4 is no less satisfying now than it was when I cracked the box. It will easily serve me until the MBs are on a third revision, the MBPs are onto Merom processors, and both come with Leopard. I think I bought at the perfect time.

As for the difference between the pro and consumer lines, the features which set them apart have been somewhat subtle for a long time. Back when I had a 12" G4 PB, the rev of the 12" iBook that came 2 months after my purchase had some very similar specs. People who need the pro features understand, and others don't. Some are also willing to pay a premium for thin form, lit keyboards, ability to use EVDO/HSPDA cards, and the like.

 

[jefhatfield]

it's been a long time since we can be happy with both the consumer and professional mac laptops...the price is right and maybe a tad bit high on the pro end, but it beats the pc side hands down

apple inc should do well with the macbook and macbook pro