my SE absolutely runs better the past year (ios 10 AND 11) than it did when i first got it...
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my SE absolutely runs better the past year (ios 10 AND 11) than it did when i first got it...
3DT stutter is still there on 11.1 Beta 2 and while scrolling down widgets after swiping left from home screen there are pauses at times. Battery life is not as good as iOS 10. I only get like 7 hours of battery life after moderate use.
You have forgotten how smooth iOS 10 is. It’s on my iPad and it’s much much smoother than iOS 11
I really want to post a youtube video but feel it would be deleted by the mods so just Google the clip "Round and Round" by Ratt ... something for us 80s kids....
My point is that even tests don't convince anyone here, either the clips showing alleged slowdowns nor the testing done by some websites on just this question that allegedly prove the opposite.
Plus it's true that perception seems to play a big role in these things even if a test "proves" something.
My point is that even tests don't convince anyone here, either the clips showing alleged slowdowns nor the testing done by some websites on just this question that allegedly prove the opposite.
Plus it's true that perception seems to play a big role in these things even if a test "proves" something.
Agreed, and even the iPhone 8 has that issue. It’s just how they programmed the animation, it makes no sense.
3DT stutter is not there. Don't assume my friend that everyone sees what you see. Battery life on my devices (everything from an iPhone 6 to iPhone 7 and 7 Plus to iPad Pro 9.7 and 2017 iPad) all have equal or better battery life than iOS 10. For comparison sake the iPhone 6, iPhone 7 and iPad Pro 9.7 are running iOS 11.0.2 while the iPhone 7 Plus and 2017 iPad are running iOS 11.1 Beta 2. In all cases performance is fluid, stability solid and of course making use of new iOS features and security updates. In other words iOS 11 is stable and ready to use. Keeping in mind that beta releases contain logging and other background processes that may affect performance and stability please don't bash what you don't have any clue about. iOS 11 is like all software in that it will mature with every release. By the way in an earlier post you compared an iPhone to a mid range Android device. I take it you run one side by side so that you can make such scientific observations?
As another poster (sorry I don't remember who) said earlier, just because something shows up on youtube, even multiple times, means nothing. Imagine if we were to rely simply on what is presented on youtube as gospel truth. I hope we humans are more intelligent than that!
For me iOS has just become a bad, bloated product that doesn’t really run very well on any device. The argument that “it’s x.0 so it doesn’t matter all will be okay by x.3” doesn’t apply - I’ve paid my money NOW, I’ve got the product you sold me NOW. Apple didn’t let me pay half the price so I’m not accepting a half finished product. As for the “some have different experiences” argument. No people have the same experience - some don’t notice, some don’t care, others don’t perceive it as a problem. None of that means it isn’t happening. And as for the “people said the same about iOS 10/9/8 etc.” - 1) iOS 11 is worse. Complaints were only made against people’s standards at the time and 2) so what? Should we not aspire to have something better?
And you don’t need to look far for proof of the OP’s argument - macOS does 3 things very well that iOS needs to copy. 1) it generally runs well on products for 5-7 years (my rMacBook Pro mid-2014 still runs like a new computer on High Sierra, where as iOS 11 has all but crippled my barely year-old iPhone 7), 2) for at least the first 3-4 years new versions even make your Mac better, and most importantly 3) it has update cycles that focus SOLELY on refinement and performance (High Sierra, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion) - I would highly welcome an major iOS release that did that - no new features just completely streamlined the OS performance.
The fact they can do these things with one OS and not the other shows it’s deliberate. If they had the same problems on both you could maybe argue “that’s how it is” - but we know it’s not.
And you don’t need to look far for proof of the OP’s argument - macOS does 3 things very well that iOS needs to copy. 1) it generally runs well on products for 5-7 years (my rMacBook Pro mid-2014 still runs like a new computer on High Sierra, where as iOS 11 has all but crippled my barely year-old iPhone 7), 2) for at least the first 3-4 years new versions even make your Mac better, and most importantly 3) it has update cycles that focus SOLELY on refinement and performance (High Sierra, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion) - I would highly welcome an major iOS release that did that - no new features just completely streamlined the OS performance.
The fact they can do these things with one OS and not the other shows it’s deliberate. If they had the same problems on both you could maybe argue “that’s how it is” - but we know it’s not.
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and yet not everyone's experience. why is that so hard for some people to grasp? my ios 11 experience is great; like ios 10, with a few new features. you said 'for me', making this about your experience, than say it 'doesn't really run well on any device"... yet that's not true. or do you own one of every single ios device, and none work well?
this thread is unbelievable (and yet, lol, so believable...).
and yet not everyone's experience. why is that so hard for some people to grasp? my ios 11 experience is great; like ios 10, with a few new features. you said 'for me', making this about your experience, than say it 'doesn't really run well on any device"... yet that's not true. or do you own one of every single ios device, and none work well?
this thread is unbelievable (and yet, lol, so believable...).
No - you still have the same iOS 11 experience (lags, 3D Touch lag, design flaws), but it doesn’t bother you/ you don’t notice it - so you perceive it as great. For you having those problems but being able to ignore them is good enough, and that’s fine. As I said doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
but i am NOT having the same experience. i don't experience lag, design flaws (there's no 3D touch on the SE). my experience on ios 11 is much like ios 10 was...
the only universal truths are... universal. everything else is your individual experience.
And here you are again defending Apple’s another bad software release.
But yet you are here complaining about iOS again rather (along with quite a few other well known trolls around here) than switching OSes after "anther bad software release", so this argument can just keep continue going in circles really to no end.
This is about as stupid an argument back and forth as continuing to bash your head on the wall not expecting it to hurt next time.
There is no right answer. If iOS is "so bad" then leave; flat out go buy an Android device and move on. You and the others will be much happier (so you think grass is greener).
Complaining on MR over and over telling people they're full of it for not having issues that they aren't having isn't going to solve any debate. And clearly FAR from a significant portion of people here by the poll are having issues with iOS11; it's not just 1 person not having issues but far more than the majority.
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I couldn't have said it better myself! I hope the radons, dans and aeros all read this and go and grab one of those overpowered pixels or other mid-ranged Androids! Truly I just don't understand all the whining about iOS. In some cases it's been years of ongoing whining. You would almost suspect that they earn some sort of commission to submit their continued and unfounded whining.
This poll is irrelevant as it only asks whether there is a difference between betas and GM and there isn’t and the poll shows it.
The performance and battery life is not on the level of iOS 10. I have it in front of me on a device.
As far as switching to Android goes, I am considering it but I will still buy iOS devices as they are the only ecosystem with a Watch and a tablet.
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Apple is always right! If you are having any issues it’s your own fault for expecting a $969 device to give performance worth $969 and it’s time to switch to Android.
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Its exactly the same on Android, but that does not mean its ok. Ppl are complaining about the perfomance of the original pixel on Oreo 8. It it on purpose from Apple and Google? I dont know, but I dont like it. I want a mobile OS that is desiged around perfomance. I dont even need animations in my OS, i just want it to feel snappy and not lag. As said before, this is eaily done on both the pc and mac side, no reason why it cant be done on a mobile OS.
You can downgrade any time you want on Android to any release. This nullifies the claim that Google slows down devices on purpose.
am not defending anything, and... it's not a bad software release for everyone. what part of that don't you get? you're having issues with it? i hear that. i'm not; can you hear that?
Do people really complain about the performance of the original Pixel on android Oreo 8.0?
I don't have an original Pixel but on the nexus 6p, android 8.0 is running great for a 2-year-old device. Surprisingly even smoother than the iPhone 8 on iOS 11 (of course in general tasks like animations, scrolling.., not including games)
iOS has layered complex animations and bokeh effects throughout the OS and this strains even the newer hardware. Android doesn’t use these effects and hence feels smoother.
It *may*not be a bad software release for everyone. But for a company like Apple that used to release software that's very polished compared to the current software, I think it's still not acceptable. It should have been a decent software for anyone. At least for devices that are 2 years old and newer.
It's true that iOS uses those demanding effects throughout the os, but I think iPhones are a lot more powerful than the top android flagships in terms of raw power.
Edit: I have an iPhone 6s that is able to run Modern Combat 5 very smoothly, mostly at 60fps. There's no way that iOS's basic tasks like scrolling the Notification Center can be more demanding than that game.
It is certainly an optimization issue.
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