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iPhone Apple DOES Slow Down Older iPhones [MERGED]

For those who participated in the beta, did it run better that the GM?(differences in speed/battery)

  • Yes, betas were better.

    Votes: 54 24.8%

  • No, same performance, or GM is better.

    Votes: 164 75.2%
  • Total voters
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Mcmeowmers

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adham7897 said:
The GM is slower than OLDER betas every year. Happened to me on iOS 10..
Can't be a coincidence.
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I agree too. I had some betas on my 5 in the past and experienced the same thing.
However, the final release of iOS 11 was faster than any other beta on my 6
 
JohnnyW2K1

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KGB7 said:
All I’m saying, is that there is no factual evidence that Apple is slowing down iPhones on purpose.
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How can there ever be factual evidence that Apple has slowed down old devices on purpose? Even if we had the source code, showing an algorithm that would in effect slow down older devices specifically, the programmer could say it was a mistake.

The absence of hard evidence of motive doesn’t mean something isn’t true.

Likewise, it’s also wrong to say that there’s hard evidence to prove they’re NOT doing slowing older phones on purpose.

All we know for sure is that older phones get slower. The question is why.

What frightens me is that many people on here (like yourself) claim they’re 100% sure in one direction, and then think they’re being reasonable and logical by saying so.

Apple has every reason in the world to slow down older devices. The counter argument that they wouldn’t deliberately sabotage devices they no longer sell, as it would negatively affect their brand, is proven false by the fact that this already happens, and their brand seems fine.

Likewise the idea that the entire system needs to run slower on older phones so you can have new features like animated emojis doesn’t hold water. Adding Siri to MacOS doesn’t make Mail perform worse when fetching emails. They’re unrelated.

Finally Apple will do plenty of internal testing across all supported devices. They’re well aware of all slow downs... but they don’t fix them. How can that not be considered “on purpose”?
 
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JohnnyW2K1 said:
How can there ever be factual evidence that Apple has slowed down old devices on purpose? Even if we had the source code, showing an algorithm that would in effect slow down older devices specifically, the programmer could say it was a mistake.

The absence of hard evidence of motive doesn’t mean something isn’t true.

Likewise, it’s also wrong to say that there’s hard evidence to prove they’re NOT doing slowing older phones on purpose.

All we know for sure is that older phones get slower. The question is why.

What frightens me is that many people on here (like yourself) claim they’re 100% sure in one direction, and then think they’re being reasonable and logical by saying so.

Apple has every reason in the world to slow down older devices. The counter argument that they wouldn’t deliberately sabotage devices they no longer sell, as it would negatively affect their brand, is proven false by the fact that this already happens, and their brand seems fine.

Likewise the idea that the entire system needs to run slower on older phones so you can have new features like animated emojis doesn’t hold water. Adding Siri to MacOS doesn’t make Mail perform worse when fetching emails. They’re unrelated.

Finally Apple will do plenty of internal testing across all supported devices. They’re well aware of all slow downs... but they don’t fix them. How can that not be considered “on purpose”?
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Occam's razor: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Hanlon's razor: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
 
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fisherking

fisherking

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JohnnyW2K1 said:
How can there ever be factual evidence that Apple has slowed down old devices on purpose? Even if we had the source code, showing an algorithm that would in effect slow down older devices specifically, the programmer could say it was a mistake.

The absence of hard evidence of motive doesn’t mean something isn’t true.

Likewise, it’s also wrong to say that there’s hard evidence to prove they’re NOT doing slowing older phones on purpose.

All we know for sure is that older phones get slower. The question is why.

What frightens me is that many people on here (like yourself) claim they’re 100% sure in one direction, and then think they’re being reasonable and logical by saying so.

Apple has every reason in the world to slow down older devices. The counter argument that they wouldn’t deliberately sabotage devices they no longer sell, as it would negatively affect their brand, is proven false by the fact that this already happens, and their brand seems fine.

Likewise the idea that the entire system needs to run slower on older phones so you can have new features like animated emojis doesn’t hold water. Adding Siri to MacOS doesn’t make Mail perform worse when fetching emails. They’re unrelated.

Finally Apple will do plenty of internal testing across all supported devices. They’re well aware of all slow downs... but they don’t fix them. How can that not be considered “on purpose”?
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you really need to give it a rest. "all we know for sure"? we don't know for sure.

"The absence of hard evidence of motive doesn’t mean something isn’t true."
and, as you seem to get, it doesn't mean it is true. again, a theory is not a fact.

not everyone agrees with your observations. i know my SE seems much the same as it was on ios 10, just has... some newer functionality. so, we're not all observing the same things.

what's the end of this? that we all agree with you? look at the poll numbers...
 
akash.nu

akash.nu

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JohnnyW2K1 said:
How can there ever be factual evidence that Apple has slowed down old devices on purpose? Even if we had the source code, showing an algorithm that would in effect slow down older devices specifically, the programmer could say it was a mistake.

The absence of hard evidence of motive doesn’t mean something isn’t true.

Likewise, it’s also wrong to say that there’s hard evidence to prove they’re NOT doing slowing older phones on purpose.

All we know for sure is that older phones get slower. The question is why.

What frightens me is that many people on here (like yourself) claim they’re 100% sure in one direction, and then think they’re being reasonable and logical by saying so.

Apple has every reason in the world to slow down older devices. The counter argument that they wouldn’t deliberately sabotage devices they no longer sell, as it would negatively affect their brand, is proven false by the fact that this already happens, and their brand seems fine.

Likewise the idea that the entire system needs to run slower on older phones so you can have new features like animated emojis doesn’t hold water. Adding Siri to MacOS doesn’t make Mail perform worse when fetching emails. They’re unrelated.

Finally Apple will do plenty of internal testing across all supported devices. They’re well aware of all slow downs... but they don’t fix them. How can that not be considered “on purpose”?
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By this logic, nobody will ever have to buy any new device until the hardware actually fails. How about you try running the latest version of Windows on a 20 years old machine? I thought this was understood in general population. Clearly not.
 
akash.nu

akash.nu

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canesalato said:
How could anybody find “the line”? iOS is not open source!
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How did people find out about detailed information about only availability of Face ID & that the iPhone X will not have Touch ID at all? Yeah from snippets of code within iOS.
 
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Radon87000

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KGB7 said:
It’s a magic trick, until someone finds the code that purposely slows down the iPhone.

Is Santa real too?
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You don’t need to find it. They execute it by not optimising for older devices
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akash.nu said:
Lucky you, but isn’t it still slower than a latest gaming rig? Don’t say - no - please.
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It’s slower than a gaming PC but it’s perfectly serviceable while a iOS device from 5 years ago can’t be.
 
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akash.nu said:
By this logic, nobody will ever have to buy any new device until the hardware actually fails. How about you try running the latest version of Windows on a 20 years old machine? I thought this was understood in general population. Clearly not.
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Nothing I’ve written implies this logic at all. Go back and try again.

Also, just because you asked:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/295...-windows-10-the-answer-will-surprise-you.html

“My experience with this 9-year-old box shocked me: It ran super-smooth and was surprisingly responsive just navigating Windows 10’s menu system.”
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akash.nu said:
Lucky you, but isn’t it still slower than a latest gaming rig? Don’t say - no - please.
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We’re talking about core operating system functions, remember? You brought it up? Nobody said anything about being beimg able to run GTAV on a Voodoo 3DFX card.
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akash.nu said:
How did people find out about detailed information about only availability of Face ID & that the iPhone X will not have Touch ID at all? Yeah from snippets of code within iOS.
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You should really stop posting. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
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fisherking said:
you really need to give it a rest. "all we know for sure"? we don't know for sure.
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So you’re arguing that iOS doesn’t slow down on old devices with newer versions? That’s a new one. Are you really saying that??

fisherking said:
not everyone agrees with your observations. i know my SE seems much the same as it was on ios 10, just has... some newer functionality. so, we're not all observing the same things.
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Mate, I’ve already said my SE runs fast, too. I’ve literally agreed with you on this point. Why are you creating arguments where none exist?
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fisherking said:
OneMike said: Ok, well I disagree.



and that's how it's done.
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You might want to try practicing what you preach.
 
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akash.nu said:
How did people find out about detailed information about only availability of Face ID & that the iPhone X will not have Touch ID at all? Yeah from snippets of code within iOS.
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Sorry. I think you are really confused about that...
 
akash.nu

akash.nu

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JohnnyW2K1 said:
Oh brother. Searching compiled files for uncompressed strings is nothing to do with having access to the source code.
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I know that. Nobody will ever have source code of any proprietary software for that matter. I’m just saying it’s not impossible to find info.
 
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