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Apple has lost it's luster.
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I’m a longtime android user and first time iPhone user with the 8+ and X.
I can honestly say the 8+ has been the best and smoothest experience I have ever had on a phone. It’s not the best at everything, but it’s solid and dependable. Android has several benefits that an iPhone is nowhere close to meeting:
•Better battery life
•Actual midrange and budget choices that don’t mean buying a 2-3 year old iPhone
•Much better notification system
•Fast charging default, even for $300 phones
•Customization options
There are also many ways in which android can not even come close to Apple:
•80% of android phones are $200 pieces of crap
•Security concerns
•Nearly all phones will lag within a year to 18 months
•If you don’t like the Samsung gear smartwatch you’re pretty much out of luck
•2 year support is the norm. Some manufacturers have very slow update process
•Awful customer service for a lot of brands
At the end of the day, iPhones are the better phone for most people, but an android phone is usually a much better deal. The upcoming oneplus 6T will be the fastest (or damn close) android phone available. 6.4” oled screen, the fastest charging solution around, the best android skin, a massive community and its under $600 new. A lot of people who blindly say android is “trash” or a dumpster fire are in denial or have no experience with a flagship phone from 2017 or even 2016. iPhones are smoother and more polished, but to call android trash in a blanket statement shows you’re either clueless or wouldn’t ever give props to any android. Nothing wrong with that.
I can honestly say the 8+ has been the best and smoothest experience I have ever had on a phone. It’s not the best at everything, but it’s solid and dependable. Android has several benefits that an iPhone is nowhere close to meeting:
•Better battery life
•Actual midrange and budget choices that don’t mean buying a 2-3 year old iPhone
•Much better notification system
•Fast charging default, even for $300 phones
•Customization options
There are also many ways in which android can not even come close to Apple:
•80% of android phones are $200 pieces of crap
•Security concerns
•Nearly all phones will lag within a year to 18 months
•If you don’t like the Samsung gear smartwatch you’re pretty much out of luck
•2 year support is the norm. Some manufacturers have very slow update process
•Awful customer service for a lot of brands
At the end of the day, iPhones are the better phone for most people, but an android phone is usually a much better deal. The upcoming oneplus 6T will be the fastest (or damn close) android phone available. 6.4” oled screen, the fastest charging solution around, the best android skin, a massive community and its under $600 new. A lot of people who blindly say android is “trash” or a dumpster fire are in denial or have no experience with a flagship phone from 2017 or even 2016. iPhones are smoother and more polished, but to call android trash in a blanket statement shows you’re either clueless or wouldn’t ever give props to any android. Nothing wrong with that.
Why would a user that prefers midrange android buy and iPhone 8+ and an X.
Wouldn’t a one plus have sufficed?
My wife has an x and loves it. I had planned to wait til this year to buy an X Plus, but she was so pleased with her x (coming from galaxy s8) that I caved and got myself an Apple Watch and an 8+. While the 8+ is the best phone I’ve ever used, it kind of sucks that the X Plus (I won’t call it a max) is so much more expensive. $799 for my 8+ didn’t bug me, but $1250 for the 256 is a bit much for me to stomach. I’ll get 90% of the experience with a $5XX 6T. If I buy another iPhone it won’t be until 5G drops. Probably 2020 or 2021. I’m not cheap or broke, but I’m frugal in a sense that I won’t pay $1250 for a phone. I paid $999 for my wife’s x, but when it comes to spending money on myself it’s harder. No doubt the X Max will be the best phone ever made, but I’ll get close to as much enjoyment for half the price with a 6T. I might cave again, but that’s my plan now.
You should get what you want, it’s just weird comparing a midrange phone to the iPhone Xs.
how did you get yours for 799?
my 256gb 8+ cost about 949 so a 256gb iPhone xs max at 1249 makes sense, with the upgraded components;
6.5. Inch oled edge to edge display
3D facial biometrics
7nm processor
Stainless steel chassis
Gigabit lte/4x4mimo
Upgraded cameras
Upgraded speakers
Bigger battery
More ram
Ip68, etc etc
I feel Apple is more than justified adding an extra 300 dollars over the original iPhone 8 Plus for the added components.
Don’t feel one plus is comparable though.
But to each their own.
Isn’t one plus dropping the headphone jack on the 6t?
I got the 64gb for $799. I’d get the 256 this time. Yeah, no more headphone jack according to the ceo of oneplus. No matter, since my music is all stored on my lg v20 with its amazing hifi dac. Spotify lets you store up to 10,000 songs now. That would more than take up a 64gb iPhone, so I use an old android phone. 256 would allow me to keep them on my iPhone and not need a second phone.
As for comparing midrange android phones to the new iPhones, it was more so for other customers. If someone walks into Tmobile and wants a brand new iPhone, they will be out at least $799 if they want a 2018 iPhone. Obviously way more if they want the X. Android is sort of like a console game and an iPhone is like a pc game. Every app is better on iOS, and is then ported to android. The experience all around is more smooth and enjoyable, but not everyone wants to pay premium prices. Android is closer to iOS now than it has ever been, but the divide will never be completely closed due to how open android is and how the vast majority of phones are throwaway priced garbage.
Oneplus makes nice phones. If I were to ever switch to Android, if it stopped being such a dumpster fire of crap apps, eventual lag, and more important to me security/update nightmare. Oneplus would be at the top of the running for sure with the larger Pixel.
Water resistance was a big letdown; as was a glass back with no wireless charging in the 6. For a company who's slogan is never settle. Couldn't care less about the headphone jack or not.
And the 6T is rumored to start at $569, so they too keep bumping up the price each year quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see an over $600 starting Oneplus next year. But it's also rumored to launch with Android 8.1 which is surprising and incredibly disappointing. Google and the manufacturers have such an update mess they MUST deal with before I'd even think about going over.
But if Apple raises prices against next year I will keep my XS Max or figure something else out. This is the max I will pay at this point for a phone.
Water resistance was a big letdown; as was a glass back with no wireless charging in the 6. For a company who's slogan is never settle. Couldn't care less about the headphone jack or not.
And the 6T is rumored to start at $569, so they too keep bumping up the price each year quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see an over $600 starting Oneplus next year. But it's also rumored to launch with Android 8.1 which is surprising and incredibly disappointing. Google and the manufacturers have such an update mess they MUST deal with before I'd even think about going over.
But if Apple raises prices against next year I will keep my XS Max or figure something else out. This is the max I will pay at this point for a phone.
You have to pay to play.
Apple uses nvme not that cheap ufs crap that android oems love, they charge the same prices as Apple for cheaper components.
Uh huh. hifi dacs on a phone were never a usp.
And headphone jacks are being phased out by budget android devices hoping to emulate the iPhone.
Yeah that doesn’t happen as very often, going in for a premium iPhone and walking out with a budget android.
iOS users love the ecosystem.
I don’t see that happening, not even with teenagers.
If they want iOS and iMessage they are going to walk out with a cheaper iOS device not a budget android.
I think the colorful iPhone xr will take away sales from budget android device especially if the carrier is going to subsidize payments.
The problem with android users that dip their toes in apples ecosystem is they don’t really understand why consumers favor Apple, they think hardware makes a difference.
iCloud, Apple Music, handoff, continuity FaceTime, and iMessage are all usps that need to be experienced to understand.
Android openess is great for geeks - yet an open ecosystem is total chaos as well. There's never going to be a universal Android that's the Android OS you run on all phones (single release and single update source), with the same exact UI, the way iOS is a single release for all iPhones. The most maddening thing to me has been the lack of openess in Carplay - thank goodness Apple finally saw the light and is about to rectify this.
Doesn't seem like there's any killer features on the hardware side anymore to force a choice - its just open vs. closed, chaos vs. controlled, Android vs iOS. And for the average person on the street, they'll go with iOS if they can afford the price of entry cause its just easier for non-geeks, and Android will continue to appeal to the low end market that Apple doesn't want to cater to.
Oh - and one more thing - the high-end Android handsets aren't cheap anymore either - you want cheap, you will get a cheap alternative but its no real big bargain if you're shopping for an S9/Note 9 type phone.
Doesn't seem like there's any killer features on the hardware side anymore to force a choice - its just open vs. closed, chaos vs. controlled, Android vs iOS. And for the average person on the street, they'll go with iOS if they can afford the price of entry cause its just easier for non-geeks, and Android will continue to appeal to the low end market that Apple doesn't want to cater to.
Oh - and one more thing - the high-end Android handsets aren't cheap anymore either - you want cheap, you will get a cheap alternative but its no real big bargain if you're shopping for an S9/Note 9 type phone.
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I agree, what "killer" hardware feature does any 2018 Android device have?
iphone has: Big screen, check. OLED, check. Fast, check. Decent 4gb RAM, check. Secure face login, check. NFC/tap to pay, check. Dual OIS cameras, check.
Maybe software, the openness, as pointed out. But I see no "luster" lost as the hardware is as good if arguably not better (especially 7nm CPU) than Android OEMs.
The software can ALWAYS improve in the meantime without changing hardware.
Meanwhile Android is a dumpster fire of software. Non-existent OS updates and security, crap apps, lagfest after time (even on stock Android Pixel), and requiring huge amount of RAM and big battery just to run half decently (hence why you see 6-8gb RAM and 3000-3500+mah batteries as a minimum on flagships)
iphone has: Big screen, check. OLED, check. Fast, check. Decent 4gb RAM, check. Secure face login, check. NFC/tap to pay, check. Dual OIS cameras, check.
Maybe software, the openness, as pointed out. But I see no "luster" lost as the hardware is as good if arguably not better (especially 7nm CPU) than Android OEMs.
The software can ALWAYS improve in the meantime without changing hardware.
Meanwhile Android is a dumpster fire of software. Non-existent OS updates and security, crap apps, lagfest after time (even on stock Android Pixel), and requiring huge amount of RAM and big battery just to run half decently (hence why you see 6-8gb RAM and 3000-3500+mah batteries as a minimum on flagships)
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Fair enough. But there's one major difference between iPhone & OnePlus and that's Operating System. OnePlus is Android and iOS is far better than Android when it comes to stability and reliability. That's my experience after using Android for more than 5 years and iOS for around 4 years.
Other than that, it's a very fair decision!
My advice, go for iPhone XR. It's a very well packaged iPhone and you get iOS too.
I was seriously considering switching back. Until Samsung seemed to have cleaned up their act moving from Bloatwiz to Samsung Experience, i.e. BloatWiz 2.0, and they've cleaned their act up on their battery degradation issues. Then, they put an incredible package together on the Note 9.
Meanwhile, Apple raised their prices over and over, and then switched to inferior Intel modems, which is a 100% absolute lawbreaker for me, as actually having service is more important than just about anything else except maybe battery.
Also, a headphone jack is nice. Some of the apps aren't as smooth as on iPhone, but they're perfectly usable. And I can customize my phone however I want.
And will sell your data and privacy too which is a no for me
Switching from one platform to another would take a lot of time and depending on your investment with one or the other, the expense of replacing programs.
So as a result people stay with their respective platform and criticize the other. Nothing new really. Those who have had experience with both OS's tend to fall into two groups. Those who tried it once years ago and have concluded it is no good so they criticize an OS that has changed substantially since they last used it, or those who really gave it a shot and decided they preferred one OS system over the other. I say both have plusses and minuses, but we tend to cheer for the team we are standing next to.
For me personally, I use all Apple products, but agree the luster has dulled. I am not as convinced as I once was, and do look at other devices and OS's with an open mind.
So as a result people stay with their respective platform and criticize the other. Nothing new really. Those who have had experience with both OS's tend to fall into two groups. Those who tried it once years ago and have concluded it is no good so they criticize an OS that has changed substantially since they last used it, or those who really gave it a shot and decided they preferred one OS system over the other. I say both have plusses and minuses, but we tend to cheer for the team we are standing next to.
For me personally, I use all Apple products, but agree the luster has dulled. I am not as convinced as I once was, and do look at other devices and OS's with an open mind.
Apple to me has NOT lost it's luster. And this comes from someone who didn't even own an Apple product until nine months ago. Played a lot with them in high school/college (but those were Apple IIe).
I am ever the skeptic. NEVER buys a product on first look, NEVER ever bought an item from the old phone call solicitation schemes/methods. If I buy a product of ANY cost, it is researched repeatedly - and on the highest items of value (like vehicles) it's akin to a CIA/MI-6 sort of operation. Gather intelligence, investigate, do trials, be a painindeazz to forums the world over and to salespeople local. Work the "back and forth" of trial over time and getting info from others. Read. Read. Read.
Over time, things become evident as they apply to my use, and while I won't say "Apple is the best" as a blanket statement, I will say that for my use, both functionally as a device, and over time, Apple is clearly the best FOR ME. And it isn't even close when the totality is considered.
The three big things that make Apple the juggernaut on phones is that 1) superior software hardware integration, 2) general product quality, 3) software/security updates delivered uniformly and in a pretty responsive manner (yeah, I know, debatable in some instances, but if your text goes buggy in software and your mfgr/carrier has no fix, phone is done). Those three things make for "The Basics" that I consider important in a general sense. Particularly the updates being delivered uniformly and good for as long as Apple's updated software will run on your phone - the androids tend to quit updating after a couple of years, and with something as private as your phone, not updating it for security holes etc isn't an acceptable solution.
I am the guy who is the first to throw the "X brand is for fashion statement only" and other such barbs when I think the product is substandard. I live in a place that's almost entirely based on how the package looks regardless of whether or not it's hollow inside, and where "hollow inside" is often considered "elite". That said, I won't shame a product that becomes popular for being too shiny, or gains popularity from a certain segment. I don't care. Does it work? And since it's a phone, does it do it everyday, because it's my phone? Does it do it easily? I bought the Apple phone I own now (8 Plus, seemed like a phone I could live with) out of necessity/emergency, and bought one, just because I told myself for a while that I wanted to try them - and also knowing they have good resale. I took that phone on a holiday trip where that phone became HUGELY important (ticket trades blowing up and other meeting and business issues) and was sold on it within 48 hours. I had literally owned it for four days, and had to shoehorn two hours aside to get it set up before I left, but when I consider how easy that all was I know well why I pre-ordered for our second phone this week.
I'm not a "phone geek"/customizer - I seek to do what most productive people with a phone would want to do with it. I have no emotional side in the Android/iOS wars other than to find what works for me. It tends to bite in in the rear when I buy anything on that basis. My phone is much like my car - a UTILITY item and not a "fashion statement". It gets me to work and A>B. When I bought initial brand Car A and had service headaches with it on the basis of where it was made, rather than what the anecdotal and research reports stated, well I did it to myself. Afterwards I bought the brand I should have bought in the first place (it starts with T) and have never lost a vehicle to mechanical failure in 22 years of continuous ownership. There are cars with better ergonomics, better "road and track" drive quality (performance), and more "sexy" brands to be sure, but the reliability and being still pretty good in needed areas all around is enough for me.
Apple is a similar product. Performs well, quality build, has a good service record generally, and continues to hum along and change the game - even though it seems not in "leaps and bounds" anymore. But you're looking at devices, and not the bigger picture, which shows us that the device we know as a "PC" or Mac" is being migrated into your hand, more and more. It doesn't mean that cameras are obsolete, nor your desktop computer, or the Postal Service, or your bank teller/ATM, or your heart monitor. BUT - more of that moves into your hand - each and every day. THAT's the "news". It is Apple's job to move the public into that environment and make it as easy as possible to do it. That's where Apple RULES the market. Might the specific people find what's better for them elsewhere? Sure. But when Apple has that dominating of a presence against all other brands, they are doing something right for both ends - the techie/power user AND the more normal user.
For me, the latest example of Apple's gargantuan force in this year's announce wasn't the flagship at all. It's the Xr. That phone is going to CRUSH in popularity and be the hottest item under the tree. Why? Because it brings enough "new" to the table for the "normal user": Full screen, a larger format that's still sleek, choice of colors (that "product red" is HOT) and an all around phone that will be very good for most people and be a noticeable upgrade. People will buy a "third down the line phone" just because they will WANT IT. Sure the LCD isn't any better than an 8 Plus - but an 8 Plus still looks pretty good in the bigger picture. Apple will sell a bazillion of these, and while those of us wanting envelope pushing, next new earth shaking change, it's the "oh that guy, too bad it's......." that will be stomping in the market like an 800 lb. gorilla and making the beancounters party like no tomorrow. And it isn't a slouch, with A12 chip, and at $799 with a 128GB drive, it's Apple's way of bringing a baseball bat loaded with lead to the market.
Apple hasn't lost it's luster - at all. Their biggest challenge is that they have to be all things to more people. It's managing that which is their big challenge. If we had to earn a living by predicting what Apple will do next (and furthermore it's impact on the future of the company/what it says about the company) we would all be broke by now, and especially on internet forums where every day sans Steve Jobs had Apple one step away from that rhetorical downstairs place from which it would never emerge. History has proven different. If Apple goes down in any serious way anytime in two decades (I would guess) you will be worried about much, much more than Apple. You won't care about Apple in that instance. Which goes to show the degree of risk to "Apple" losing anything save for a few critics. Apple isn't going after just more phone sales, they're going after Google (own maps, probably own search, own music, own email wouldn't surprise - at least more of what Google does). It's wayyyyy beyond the specific device. But they are still pretty good at that device thing, too.
I am ever the skeptic. NEVER buys a product on first look, NEVER ever bought an item from the old phone call solicitation schemes/methods. If I buy a product of ANY cost, it is researched repeatedly - and on the highest items of value (like vehicles) it's akin to a CIA/MI-6 sort of operation. Gather intelligence, investigate, do trials, be a painindeazz to forums the world over and to salespeople local. Work the "back and forth" of trial over time and getting info from others. Read. Read. Read.
Over time, things become evident as they apply to my use, and while I won't say "Apple is the best" as a blanket statement, I will say that for my use, both functionally as a device, and over time, Apple is clearly the best FOR ME. And it isn't even close when the totality is considered.
The three big things that make Apple the juggernaut on phones is that 1) superior software hardware integration, 2) general product quality, 3) software/security updates delivered uniformly and in a pretty responsive manner (yeah, I know, debatable in some instances, but if your text goes buggy in software and your mfgr/carrier has no fix, phone is done). Those three things make for "The Basics" that I consider important in a general sense. Particularly the updates being delivered uniformly and good for as long as Apple's updated software will run on your phone - the androids tend to quit updating after a couple of years, and with something as private as your phone, not updating it for security holes etc isn't an acceptable solution.
I am the guy who is the first to throw the "X brand is for fashion statement only" and other such barbs when I think the product is substandard. I live in a place that's almost entirely based on how the package looks regardless of whether or not it's hollow inside, and where "hollow inside" is often considered "elite". That said, I won't shame a product that becomes popular for being too shiny, or gains popularity from a certain segment. I don't care. Does it work? And since it's a phone, does it do it everyday, because it's my phone? Does it do it easily? I bought the Apple phone I own now (8 Plus, seemed like a phone I could live with) out of necessity/emergency, and bought one, just because I told myself for a while that I wanted to try them - and also knowing they have good resale. I took that phone on a holiday trip where that phone became HUGELY important (ticket trades blowing up and other meeting and business issues) and was sold on it within 48 hours. I had literally owned it for four days, and had to shoehorn two hours aside to get it set up before I left, but when I consider how easy that all was I know well why I pre-ordered for our second phone this week.
I'm not a "phone geek"/customizer - I seek to do what most productive people with a phone would want to do with it. I have no emotional side in the Android/iOS wars other than to find what works for me. It tends to bite in in the rear when I buy anything on that basis. My phone is much like my car - a UTILITY item and not a "fashion statement". It gets me to work and A>B. When I bought initial brand Car A and had service headaches with it on the basis of where it was made, rather than what the anecdotal and research reports stated, well I did it to myself. Afterwards I bought the brand I should have bought in the first place (it starts with T) and have never lost a vehicle to mechanical failure in 22 years of continuous ownership. There are cars with better ergonomics, better "road and track" drive quality (performance), and more "sexy" brands to be sure, but the reliability and being still pretty good in needed areas all around is enough for me.
Apple is a similar product. Performs well, quality build, has a good service record generally, and continues to hum along and change the game - even though it seems not in "leaps and bounds" anymore. But you're looking at devices, and not the bigger picture, which shows us that the device we know as a "PC" or Mac" is being migrated into your hand, more and more. It doesn't mean that cameras are obsolete, nor your desktop computer, or the Postal Service, or your bank teller/ATM, or your heart monitor. BUT - more of that moves into your hand - each and every day. THAT's the "news". It is Apple's job to move the public into that environment and make it as easy as possible to do it. That's where Apple RULES the market. Might the specific people find what's better for them elsewhere? Sure. But when Apple has that dominating of a presence against all other brands, they are doing something right for both ends - the techie/power user AND the more normal user.
For me, the latest example of Apple's gargantuan force in this year's announce wasn't the flagship at all. It's the Xr. That phone is going to CRUSH in popularity and be the hottest item under the tree. Why? Because it brings enough "new" to the table for the "normal user": Full screen, a larger format that's still sleek, choice of colors (that "product red" is HOT) and an all around phone that will be very good for most people and be a noticeable upgrade. People will buy a "third down the line phone" just because they will WANT IT. Sure the LCD isn't any better than an 8 Plus - but an 8 Plus still looks pretty good in the bigger picture. Apple will sell a bazillion of these, and while those of us wanting envelope pushing, next new earth shaking change, it's the "oh that guy, too bad it's......." that will be stomping in the market like an 800 lb. gorilla and making the beancounters party like no tomorrow. And it isn't a slouch, with A12 chip, and at $799 with a 128GB drive, it's Apple's way of bringing a baseball bat loaded with lead to the market.
Apple hasn't lost it's luster - at all. Their biggest challenge is that they have to be all things to more people. It's managing that which is their big challenge. If we had to earn a living by predicting what Apple will do next (and furthermore it's impact on the future of the company/what it says about the company) we would all be broke by now, and especially on internet forums where every day sans Steve Jobs had Apple one step away from that rhetorical downstairs place from which it would never emerge. History has proven different. If Apple goes down in any serious way anytime in two decades (I would guess) you will be worried about much, much more than Apple. You won't care about Apple in that instance. Which goes to show the degree of risk to "Apple" losing anything save for a few critics. Apple isn't going after just more phone sales, they're going after Google (own maps, probably own search, own music, own email wouldn't surprise - at least more of what Google does). It's wayyyyy beyond the specific device. But they are still pretty good at that device thing, too.
No, you're wrong. Does the same thing as apple. Makes phone cslls, texrs, contacts, web stuff, ...
I don't think Apple's phones can "texrs". But what Apple devices do, they do it more securely.
There’s always more any manufacturer can add to their devices - and they will, just, eventually.
As for the current crop of iPhones, there’s actually some serious tech in them. But the reason there’s more than one manufacturer is that most of them do things slightly differently.
There are Android phones I like - technology wise. But there’s one main reason I stay with Apple and that’s the software and of course it’s tight integration with the hardware.
To a lesser, but no less important degree as well I suppose, are the services which are also generally very well integrated.
I do have Android devices, so I’m not biased really, I use both ecosystems. But at the end of the day, it’s Apple who I trust to be my daily driver.
As for the current crop of iPhones, there’s actually some serious tech in them. But the reason there’s more than one manufacturer is that most of them do things slightly differently.
There are Android phones I like - technology wise. But there’s one main reason I stay with Apple and that’s the software and of course it’s tight integration with the hardware.
To a lesser, but no less important degree as well I suppose, are the services which are also generally very well integrated.
I do have Android devices, so I’m not biased really, I use both ecosystems. But at the end of the day, it’s Apple who I trust to be my daily driver.
Yup, they are really clowns, agree on that
I have moved on too, I do that all the time, every year. Has nothing to do with phones however.
My iPhone SE still works fine. I don’t need the newest etc. I need a phone. I have a great one.
Small and very nice in my hand
That is considerably to their disadvantage.
It's hard to agree with you since your experience was limited to Apple products from decades ago, and you just changed over 9 months ago. Your comments make sense, but my experience with both OS's has been different.
I think their products are great, but my perspective is coming form using Apple products since the early 90's. I feel over time their luster has dimmed. Especially in recent years with their trend towards incremental updates, ever rising prices, bugs and hardware issues. Some of their decisions related to storage options, included accessories, and leaving some products (Mac mini, Macbook Air, Mac Pro) to gather dust gives the impression money is first, customer second. Does not instill confidence. I use more than just their phones, and their decisions I feel are based more on profits and shareholders then giving the user the true Apple experience we experienced in years past.
As far as support and updates, I have had to sell several Apple products in recent years because the hardware was either no longer supported, or updating made the product unbearably slow and unusable.
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Can you give me any examples where your data was sold? To whom? What happened as a result?
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Yes, it is. I consider privacy far more important than user experience, industrial design, convenience or even outright capability. .
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