Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[d5aqoëp]

Only 1 day for 11.1 Beta 2 to drop and let's see if Apple has really made any changes to home button response code in last 2 weeks. Past few days, there was too much negative buzz regarding PO on tech websites that Apple had to take help of FutureMark to test something and prove something else.

 

[Radon87000]

Hopefully now with the public uproar in forums and news dailies Apple takes note. iOS 11 issues made news on my local news channels.

 

[cale508]

Only 1 day for 11.1 Beta 2 to drop and let's see if Apple has really made any changes to home button response code in last 2 weeks. Past few days, there was too much negative buzz regarding PO on tech websites that Apple had to take help of FutureMark to test something and prove something else.

I really hope there are clear changes and not only new emojis. Apple has lost focus on iOS development for a few years now, sadly, but it's the truth. We shouldn't have to wait almost 9 months for the OS to be smooth.

 

[0000757]

Do you guys remember how an app instantly closes midway during opening animation if we quickly press Home Button on iOS 10? But on iOS 11, it takes 1 second to complete the opening animation. Then 1 second it blocks any input or home button press and then closes.

At first I thought that this is just OS optimisation issue. But when you take iPhone X into consideration which does not have a Home Button, things are clear. Apple wants to show the world that swipe up to close and return to home screen is faster.

Planned Obsolesence exists. Hence proved.

The delay exists because the device is waiting to see if you press the home button again to access multitasking.

You can actually increase the delay in Home Button accessibility, but you can't decrease it.

It has nothing to do with the iPhone X.

 

[Radon87000]

The delay exists because the device is waiting to see if you press the home button again to access multitasking.

You can actually increase the delay in Home Button accessibility, but you can't decrease it.

It has nothing to do with the iPhone X.

Wrong. This delay was not there on iOS 10.

 

[d5aqoëp]

I have a feeling that our suspicion may be right and we will never get the Home Button lag fixed because it is "By Design"
Apple wants to make home button obsolete and all devices with this button will have a lag. Apple is concentrating more on the FaceID or whatever mumbo jumbo they want to call it. They have to make sure that it "appears" faster than all previous authentication methods.

Now I would want to see how fast slide up to close the app on iPhone X is compared to our slowed down home button.

 

[fisherking]

I have a feeling that our suspicion may be right

that says it all: "I have a feeling"

and am sure you meant "my suspicion" vs "our suspicion"... since we're not all conspiracy theorists...

 

[0000757]

Wrong. This delay was not there on iOS 10.

It actually is on devices that aren't the iPhone 7 family. The waiting period wasn't present on the iPhone 7 for iOS 10.

 

[Mcmeowmers]

How many times does this have to be explained. How do people like this survive to adulthood?

It is a BUG where the animation to close an app does not start until the time to see if it's a double click happens.

Simple proof:

Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> Home Button -> Click Speed

Set it to default and press the home button. Note there is indeed a short delay.

Set it to Slowest and note the delay is much longer.

Set it back to Default and note the delay is reduced again.

It is a simple bug

If you have Accessibility short cuts set to triple click there is a delay too. Maybe OP is unaware of these facts.

 

[iSayBoourns]

It’s been almost a month and it’s still not on iOS 10 level of smoothness. I am using iOS 10 on my iPad Pro 12.9 2017 and it’s unreal how smooth it is in comparison. Not encountering a single stutter on it.No home button delays. No battery drain. Battery life is also below average on iOS 11 even now.

It’s hilarious how you now are claiming iOS 10 to be smooth and all that when you were the loudest poster around here during iOS 10 beta days and long time after iOS 10 release about how iOS 10 is trash, slow and ruined your devices. Here you are 1 year later spewing the same garbage but now calling iOS 10 smooth and 11 garbage. Do you see the pattern? Hint: you’re just hating on the new update for the sake of hating on the new update.

See you next year when iOS 11 is smooth and 12 is garbage.

 

[Feenician]

It’s hilarious how you now are claiming iOS 10 to be smooth and all that when you were the loudest poster around here during iOS 10 beta days and long time after iOS 10 release about how iOS 10 is trash, slow and ruined your devices. Here you are 1 year later spewing the same garbage but now calling iOS 10 smooth and 11 garbage. Do you see the pattern? Hint: you’re just hating on the new update for the sake of hating on the new update.

See you next year when iOS 11 is smooth and 12 is garbage.

Yep. Same tune, every year.

Radeon87000 on "stutter" in iOS 10 with a few choice quotes

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/4771921/?q=stutter&o=date&c[node]=194&c[user][0]=937180

Allow everyone to downgrade to the OS version of their choice like on Android and everyone is satisfied.

By the way my computer is years old but has no stutter and it has gone from Windows 7 right till Windows 10. So that experience can and does exist on this planet

It wont as iOS 11 is optimised for 3 gigs of RAM which means tab reloads and app reloads will increase. It will have more complex animations which will make the 6s stutter and since the poster's 6s is having stutter issues on iOS 10 iOS 11 will only make matters worse.

My iPhone 6 is running horribly as well.Sadly it IS planned obsolescence.You can forget about the 6s plus ever reaching 9.3.3 levels of performance just like I gave up on my iPhone 6 reaching 8.4.1 levels of performance.

Radeon87000 on "stutter" in iOS 9

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/4771951/?q=stutter&o=date&c[node]=183&c[user][0]=937180

100% agree.This stutter is proof of planned obsolesence.Hopefully the miserable drop in sales will wake them up.Sammy has already lit a fire under Apple with the S7

8.4.1 is the best iOS for iPhone 5s and 6.If you value performance keep it on 8.4.1 .I made this mistake of upgrading and now am facing stutters on iPhone 6

"Minimal"?You got to be kidding me.Every piece of animation on my iPhone shows stutter.Even on the unlock animation

Every year, same tune. "Stutter", "planned obsolescence" until the next release, whereupon the last one was perfect.

 

[imagineadam]

It actually is on devices that aren't the iPhone 7 family. The waiting period wasn't present on the iPhone 7 for iOS 10.

Exactly. It's only on the 7 and 7plus (capacitive home button) under iOS 10 that do NOT wait for the double click. This is what made apps close super fast and instantly and I'm still enjoying it on my 7 with 10.3.3. Every other iPhone with the physical home button waited under iOS 10. And now....

All iPhones under iOS 11 have the same behavior and wait for the double click and it makes the phone feel much slower because it is actually slower and it's driving the 7/7+users nuts who have upgraded to iOS 11 because they were used to the instant response before. Anyone who doesn't notice it either they never had a 7 on iOS 10 or they went straight to and 8 from a physical home button equipped home button.

I find it hard to believe more iPhone 7/7+ owners aren't making more of a ruckus about this. Yes it's only a fraction of a second more but this adds up and it's a huge step backwards when we were used to instant response. I mean who really wants to wait a little longer for their phone to respond to them?

 

[iSayBoourns]

Exactly. It's only on the 7 and 7plus (capacitive home button) under iOS 10 that do NOT wait for the double click. This is what made apps close super fast and instantly and I'm still enjoying it on my 7 with 10.3.3. Every other iPhone with the physical home button waited under iOS 10. And now....

All iPhones under iOS 11 have the same behavior and wait for the double click and it makes the phone feel much slower because it is actually slower and it's driving the 7/7+users nuts who have upgraded to iOS 11 because they were used to the instant response before. Anyone who doesn't notice it either they never had a 7 on iOS 10 or they went straight to and 8 from a physical home button equipped home button.

I find it hard to believe more iPhone 7/7+ owners aren't making more of a ruckus about this. Yes it's only a fraction of a second more but this adds up and it's a huge step backwards when we were used to instant response. I mean who really wants to wait a little longer for their phone to respond to them?

You say the fractions of a millisecond add up over time. If you’re so focused on the fractions of a millisecond adding up over say the course of a year, then what about the time adding up over the course of a year complaining about said milliseconds? That wasted time alone has to be 1000x more (in some cases much, much more)

 

[0000757]

Yes it's only a fraction of a second more but this adds up and it's a huge step backwards when we were used to instant response. I mean who really wants to wait a little longer for their phone to respond to them?

Your life is that complicated that 0.33 of a second makes that much of a deal?

 

[MEJHarrison]

Yes it's only a fraction of a second more but this adds up and it's a huge step backwards when we were used to instant response. I mean who really wants to wait a little longer for their phone to respond to them?

Adds up to what? Sure, you can say "I wasted x minutes last year" because they're numbers that can be totaled. But beyond a total of that time, what else can you do with it? You can't save those wasted milliseconds and enjoy them all at once. It doesn't work that way. It's not really "useful" time. But just for kicks, let's say all that wasted time in a day adds up to, I'll be generous, 3 seconds. So, right before bed, you now have three additional seconds thanks to a fully optimized OS. What are you going to do with those extra three seconds that you couldn't do before? How would those extra seconds make a noticeable difference in your life?

I'm not trying to say those fractions of a second aren't annoying. They don't bug me, but I've been around long enough to know they actually do bother some people. I'm just saying "it all adds up" really doesn't make a lot of sense in the context that it's being used. It's just a phrase people like to throw around because they think it strengthens their point. But it really doesn't.

 

[KGB7]

Your life is that complicated that 0.33 of a second makes that much of a deal?

It’s the exact time needed for USS Enterprise to raise its shields from being destroyed by Klingons.
And if you look at the Starships weapon controls, it’s clearly running a futuristic version of iOS.
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Adds up to what? Sure, you can say "I wasted x minutes last year" because they're numbers that can be totaled. But beyond a total of that time, what else can you do with it? You can't save those wasted milliseconds and enjoy them all at once. It doesn't work that way. It's not really "useful" time. But just for kicks, let's say all that wasted time in a day adds up to, I'll be generous, 3 seconds. So, right before bed, you now have three additional seconds thanks to a fully optimized OS. What are you going to do with those extra three seconds that you couldn't do before? How would those extra seconds make a noticeable difference in your life?

I'm not trying to say those fractions of a second aren't annoying. They don't bug me, but I've been around long enough to know they actually do bother some people. I'm just saying "it all adds up" really doesn't make a lot of sense in the context that it's being used. It's just a phrase people like to throw around because they think it strengthens their point. But it really doesn't.

I poop 5 times a day and those 3 seconds makes a huge difference for me. It gives me more time to read another Garfield comic strip on a toilet.
You guys are so insensitive to my needs.

 

[simonmet]

Hopefully now with the public uproar in forums and news dailies Apple takes note. iOS 11 issues made news on my local news channels.

That is optimistic of you. Apple can be very arrogant and steadfast when they want to be. I’m sure they do care about public perception of their phones but I’m also sure they care about selling new phones to people who feel their old ones don’t perform as well as they used to.

Apple is desperate to corner the market in battery replacement for instance because they know poor battery life is a significant driver to upgrade.

 

[Radon87000]

That is optimistic of you. Apple can be very arrogant and steadfast when they want to be. I’m sure they do care about public perception of their phones but I’m also sure they care about selling new phones to people who feel their old ones don’t perform as well as they used to.

Apple is desperate to corner the market in battery replacement for instance because they know poor battery life is a significant driver to upgrade.

One of the issues with the battery drain in iOS 11 is that it causes you to charge your phone very frequently which results in more charge cycles, and your battery health gets demolished earlier than usual. For example, my 7 Plus with light to moderate should have lasted a day and half on iOS 10. It barely a day on iOS 11.
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Yep. Same tune, every year.

Radeon87000 on "stutter" in iOS 10 with a few choice quotes

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/4771921/?q=stutter&o=date&c[node]=194&c[user][0]=937180








Radeon87000 on "stutter" in iOS 9

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/4771951/?q=stutter&o=date&c[node]=183&c[user][0]=937180








Every year, same tune. "Stutter", "planned obsolescence" until the next release, whereupon the last one was perfect.


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Nice job on getting so many likes. Too bad those quotes are all concerning different devices and in different threads.

Look I am a firm believer that Apple does slow down devices on purpose because my iPhone 6 and 7 Plus are not on the same level of performance they used to be. I am sure my iPhone was not taking 2 seconds just to open settings when it was on iOS 8. I am sure iOS 12 will slow down the 7 even further and you will continue to justify it despite all this kowtowing Apple’s CPU prowess and how great they are. Me. I have had enough with this battery drain and delays and am getting a new phone by the end of this month.I am not going to submit the delay again and again as feedback as I submitted that issue to Apple and am not going to waste more of my time writing it as clearly if Apple cared they would have fixed it by now. I am not cluttering up this thread further as my future iOS device if I get one won't have this issue because of no home button. Good luck to all with the home button delay.

 

[Jayderek]

Good luck to all with the home button delay.

I think we'll all be just fine....just like we've been this entire time.

 

[Radon87000]

I think we'll all be just fine....just like we've been this entire time.

I am talking to the ones facing this issue. Like it or not this delay is objectively there. I have recorded and put a video on the first page. It makes the phone feel sluggish. So you may be fine with the slowdown but everyone likes and wants a responsive phone.

 

[Feenician]

One of the issues with the battery drain in iOS 11 is that it causes you to charge your phone very frequently which results in more charge cycles, and your battery health gets demolished earlier than usual. For example, my 7 Plus with light to moderate should have lasted a day and half on iOS 10. It barely a day on iOS 11.
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Nice job on getting so many likes. Too bad those quotes are all concerning different devices and in different threads.

Look I am a firm believer that Apple does slow down devices on purpose because my iPhone 6 and 7 Plus are not on the same level of performance they used to be. I am sure my iPhone was not taking 2 seconds just to open settings when it was on iOS 8. I am sure iOS 12 will slow down the 7 even further and you will continue to justify it despite all this kowtowing Apple’s CPU prowess and how great they are. Me. I have had enough with this battery drain and delays and am getting a new phone by the end of this month.I am not going to submit the delay again and again as feedback as I submitted that issue to Apple and am not going to waste more of my time writing it as clearly if Apple cared they would have fixed it by now. I am not cluttering up this thread further as my future iOS device if I get one won't have this issue because of no home button. Good luck to all with the home button delay.

See you next year and the year after when your X is “bricked”, “useless” or some other such hyperbole when iOS 12.0 is released but is mysteriously “perfect” on 12.x.x when 13.0 is released. It’s like there’s a pattern or something. I just can’t work it out.

 

[Radon87000]

See you next year and the year after when your X is “bricked”, “useless” or some other such hyperbole when iOS 12.0 is released but is mysteriously “perfect” on 12.x.x when 13.0 is released. It’s like there’s a pattern or something. I just can’t work it out.

It’s really not rocket science what my posts you quoted and what I am saying throughout the thread. Each iPhone is perfect on the version it ships with. What’s being done is that Apple optimises a particular iOS version for its flagship devices and ignores the rest. Whether the ignorance of older devices is intentional or not it being debated.

I am almost certain the home button delay is in some way related to the iPhone X which does not have a home button. If they make I instant like on iOS 10 it messes up the iPhone X for some reason which is why it is the way it is. I don’t expect it to be fixed although it would be a pleasant surprise if Apple proves me wrong.

 

[Feenician]

It’s really not rocket science what my posts you quoted and what I am saying throughout the thread. Each iPhone is perfect on the version it ships with. What’s being done is that Apple optimises a particular iOS version for its flagship devices and ignores the rest. Whether the ignorance of older devices is intentional or not it being debated.

I am almost certain the home button delay is in some way related to the iPhone X which does not have a home button. If they make I instant like on iOS 10 it messes up the iPhone X for some reason which is why it is the way it is. I don’t expect it to be fixed although it would be a pleasant surprise if Apple proves me wrong.

Alternative explanation requiring no conspiracy theories: The power of these devices almost doubles year over year (unlike the PC/Mac world where Intel barely shift the needle 5%) in both CPU and GPU. Apple use this headroom in the latest devices but, inevitably, given the linear progression in power, older devices don’t feel as fast. Additionally Apple x.0 releases are rougher than they really ought to be, followed by a period of bug fixes and optimization and that return all devices to something resembling their initial glory. Never quite as fast as their initial release of course but 10.3.3 (the latest release, a month ago) flies on a 5s, a phone released four years prior, and I bet it flies again on the end releases of 11.x. The conspiracy theory just doesn’t stack up.

But go ahead and get the X, we know you will, and tell us the same tired theories next year (we know you will).

 

[JM]

You say the fractions of a millisecond add up over time. If you’re so focused on the fractions of a millisecond adding up over say the course of a year, then what about the time adding up over the course of a year complaining about said milliseconds? That wasted time alone has to be 1000x more (in some cases much, much more)

It is cathartic and enjoyable to post on message boards. It is not cathartic and enjoyable waiting for a piece of technology to respond to input.

 

[C DM]

It is cathartic and enjoyable to post on message boards. It is not cathartic and enjoyable waiting for a piece of technology to respond to input.

Fractions of a second though. Whether or not they add up something over time doesn't really mean much as these things aren't processed by us (people) as a combination over time like that, making that combined measure essentially moot.