Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[I7guy]

What proof?

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/

But the iApplebytes videos show the slowdown. Its all on video.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/

And it's documented with a more scientific approach than a youtube video.
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The issue was definitely widespread enough to be reported as news

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/ios-11-app-slowdowns-performance-issues/
https://thenextweb.com/apple/2017/09/25/iphone-users-ios-11-complain/
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/859489/iOS-11-Battery-Life-iPhone-Drain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...leases-beta-iOS-11-1-complaints-continue.html

We even have a chart on battery drain

This doesn't negate that people are reporting same or better battery life on IOS 11. Just seems like typical discussions that swirl around every ios release.

 

[fisherking]

once again, check the title of this thread. am not arguing whether people are having issues with their iphones; people are always having issues with ANY version of ios (that's the reality of new tech). but again, what are the percentages, if we count ALL the iphone/ipad users who've moved to ios11? without that, the only thing we know for a fact is: some people are having issues, others are not. so, saying 'i have an issue, therefore everyone has this issue' is just absurb.

 

[C DM]

The issue was definitely widespread enough to be reported as news

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/ios-11-app-slowdowns-performance-issues/
https://thenextweb.com/apple/2017/09/25/iphone-users-ios-11-complain/
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/859489/iOS-11-Battery-Life-iPhone-Drain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...leases-beta-iOS-11-1-complaints-continue.html

We even have a chart on battery drain

And yet doesn't change that all kinds of people are having different experiences nonetheless.

 

[macfacts]

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/


https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/

And it's documented with a more scientific approach than a youtube video.
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That benchmark analysis only looked at raw cpu performance. It did not look at number of dropped fps nor did it look at input responsiveness.

Stop linking to that fake report.

 

[Radon87000]

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/


https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ices-according-to-benchmark-analysis.2075795/

And it's documented with a more scientific approach than a youtube video.

I have no idea what was the point of that test. Its the same hardware. Its obviously going to come up with similar scores. The iPhone 6 scores the same on Geekbench it did 4 years ago. That doesnt mean it runs as fast as on iOS 8.

This doesn't negate that people are reporting same or better battery life on IOS 11. Just seems like typical discussions that swirl around every ios release.

What this proves is that there is a sizable amount of users facing issues otherwise the Daily Mail wouldnt report it nor would the tons of other websites

wait, you're saying that the other people at apple, the board, the top execs, jonny ive... they have no voice? and only tim cook does? AND he doesn't care? and that's what you got from the time magazine article?

Tim Cook likes peace and doesnt like infighting amongst his team members while Steve did. Scott Forstall was the reason the earlier iOS versions were as polished as they were. Since he and Jony couldnt see eye to eye Tim Cook made him a scapegoat for the Maps fiasco and asked him to go. Unlike Steve Jobs ,there is no one who says "No" to Ive. Take the notch for instance. The only reason it exists is to remind others around you that your are using an iPhone. Jobs wouldnt have let something like that slide. He also would notice these stutters and frame rate dips as he had an incredible eye for detail. For example ,every time you scroll down the widgets while they are refreshing, there is a pause and a frame skip. Happens every single time. You would think with months of beta testing they would have nailed it by now. Also the home button delay.

 

[fisherking]

Tim Cook likes peace and doesnt like infighting amongst his team members while Steve did. Scott Forstall was the reason the earlier iOS versions were as polished as they were. Since he and Jony couldnt see eye to eye Tim Cook made him a scapegoat for the Maps fiasco and asked him to go. Unlike Steve Jobs ,there is no one who says "No" to Ive. Take the notch for instance. The only reason it exists is to remind others around you that your are using an iPhone. Jobs wouldnt have let something like that slide. He also would notice these stutters and frame rate dips as he had an incredible eye for detail

you've constructed a whole scenario out of: popular knowledge, your own opinions, and a dash of fact.

good thing we have you on the inside at apple to give us the facts...

EDIT: ok, my GF has just pointed out that arguing with conspiracy theorists on the internet is probably the least constructive thing i can do. it's fun, but... pointless. so will let this one go...

 

[I7guy]

I have no idea what was the point of that test. Its the same hardware. Its obviously going to come up with similar scores. The iPhone 6 scores the same on Geekbench it did 4 years ago. That doesnt mean it runs as fast as on iOS 8.

What this proves is that there is a sizable amount of users facing issues otherwise the Daily Mail wouldnt report it nor would the tons of other websites

What is means is that this is the same as every other ios release, but more importantly the guts of the o/s is not being slowed down.

And the daily mall would report anything.
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That benchmark analysis only looked at raw cpu performance. It did not look at number of dropped fps nor did it look at input responsiveness.

Stop linking to that fake report.

Stop dismissing hard evidence.

 

[C DM]

I agree with your link. Simplest explanation is Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs. It isn't slowed down on purpose, it's just Tim doesn't care.

And forums for iOS earlier versions when Steve Jobs was around are clearly not full of people complaining about all kinds of things, including the same old things.

 

[macfacts]

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Stop dismissing hard evidence.

That hard evidence does not apply to the complaints from many users. Users are not complaining that it takes longer to do cpu intensive tasks. They are complaining about graphical glitches and dropped frames. A cpu benchmark doesn't measure how buggy an app is, only how fast it runs.

 

[DWHH1]

I have an iPhone 6 running 11.0.3 and 'standard' apps take 7 seconds to boot up from cold (ie not paused in the background) with Powerpoint, the worst (so far), having a boot up time of about 14 seconds. Also apps are slow to respond to screen presses such that the calulator app misses digit entry when entering numbers (not helpful). Small slow downs might be expected when a new, 'better', OS is released but this is something extraordinary.
Have folks here been posting their start-up times for comparison? Sorry if I missed the thread if you all have but if not it would be helpful if data on phone/iPad model, OS version and typical start-up times was posted to gain a sense of wide spread this is.

 

[Nisaja]

It’s clear it’s been slowed, but its way too early to determine if it’s intentional. Similar issues happened and were resolved last year with the home button.

Why would they change something that we loved on iOS 10 on purpose? They just didn’t want the 7 or even the 8 to be as fast as the iPhone X.

It’s like removing the 3D Touch app switcher shortcut, but leaving it on the iPhone X, so that people feel that they’re missing out on something, and then adding it with iOS 11.1, which is gonna drop when the iPhone X launches. Past the pre-ordering stage. Genius.

 

[C DM]

Why would they change something that we loved on iOS 10 on purpose? They just didn’t want the 7 or even the 8 to be as fast as the iPhone X.

It’s like removing the 3D Touch app switcher shortcut, but leaving it on the iPhone X, so that people feel that they’re missing out on something, and then adding it with iOS 11.1, which is gonna drop when the iPhone X launches. Past the pre-ordering stage. Genius.

Or probably something that doesn't have conspiracies or malice to it all.

 

[Radon87000]

What is means is that this is the same as every other ios release, but more importantly the guts of the o/s is not being slowed down.

You can't reduce the benchmark scores without underclocking the CPU itself. That article has nothing to do with the issue being discussed which is stuttering and home button delays. Anyone can download Geekbench and confirm at any point of time the iPhone 6 scores the same on iOS 11 as it does on iOS 8 We don't need Futuremark to tell us that. That doesn't mean the iPhone 6mruns he same on iOS 11 as it does on iOS,8 which is the conclusion they are telling us just based on a score.

And the daily mall would report anything.

Anything being reported on live tv and in tech magazines is widespread enough that it caught the attention of the media.
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Or probably something that doesn't have conspiracies or malice to it all.

We will see if it gets fixed. But I doubt it. It doesn't take 2-3, months to simply edit a timer in the OS.
Now that we are nearing the X launch it will come with it own swath of bugs and Apple will forget about the 8 issues for months till all those on the X are ironed out.
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Why would they change something that we loved on iOS 10 on purpose? They just didn’t want the 7 or even the 8 to be as fast as the iPhone X.

It’s like removing the 3D Touch app switcher shortcut, but leaving it on the iPhone X, so that people feel that they’re missing out on something, and then adding it with iOS 11.1, which is gonna drop when the iPhone X launches. Past the pre-ordering stage. Genius.

It could also be that making it instant on iPhone 8 messes up the iPhone X home button gesture for some reason. But the priority is iPhone X and not iPhone 8 for Apple at this point of time which is why the home button still hasn't been fixed till now.

 

[C DM]

You can't reduce the benchmark scores without underclocking the CPU itself. That article has nothing to do with the issue being discussed which is stuttering and home button delays. Anyone can download Geekbench and confirm at any point of time the iPhone 6 scores the same on iOS 11 as it does on iOS 8 We don't need Futuremark to tell us that. That doesn't mean the iPhone 6mruns he same on iOS 11 as it does on iOS,8 which is the conclusion they are telling us just based on a score.


Anything being reported on live tv and in tech magazines is widespread enough that it caught the attention of the media.
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We will see if it gets fixed. But I doubt it. It doesn't take 2-3, months to simply edit a timer in the OS.
Now that we are nearing the X launch it will come with it own swath of bugs and Apple will forget about the 8 issues for months till all those on the X are ironed out.
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It could also be that making it instant on iPhone 8 messes up the iPhone X home button gesture for some reason. But the priority is iPhone X and not iPhone 8 for Apple at this point of time.

As usual we'll just keep going in circles, like we did with iOS 10 and complaints about frame drops and delays and animations there that were also doubted, only to see iOS 10.3 being praised and used as some example of perfection.

 

[Radon87000]

I have an iPhone 6 running 11.0.3 and 'standard' apps take 7 seconds to boot up from cold (ie not paused in the background) with Powerpoint, the worst (so far), having a boot up time of about 14 seconds. Also apps are slow to respond to screen presses such that the calulator app misses digit entry when entering numbers (not helpful). Small slow downs might be expected when a new, 'better', OS is released but this is something extraordinary.
Have folks here been posting their start-up times for comparison? Sorry if I missed the thread if you all have but if not it would be helpful if data on phone/iPad model, OS version and typical start-up times was posted to gain a sense of wide spread this is.

I don't use my iPhone 6 that much these days but when I try typing on it there is input lag with the keyboard meaning I type faster than before the keystrokes are recognised. So you are not alone.
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As usual we'll just keep going in circles, like we did with iOS 10 and complaints about frame drops and delays and animations there that were also doubted, only to see iOS 10.3 being praised and used as some example of perfection.

Time to clear up this misunderstandinG. iOS 10 is only perfect on the 7 Plus. I never said it was perfect on the iPhone 6 as being back to iOS 8 speeds.

And having gone from 10.1 till 10.3.3, whatever issues I faced where nowhere near what I am facing with iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

I don't use my iPhone 6 that much these days but when I try typing on it there is input lag with the keyboard meaning I type faster than before the keystrokes are recognised. So you are not alone.
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Time to clear up this misunderstandinG. iOS 10 is only perfect on the 7 Plus. I never said it was perfect on the iPhone 6 as being back to iOS 8 speeds.

And having gone from 10.1 till 10.3.3, whatever issues I faced where nowhere near what I am facing with iOS 11.

There really isn't a misunderstanding, just mostly not so subtle revisionism of the usual hyperbolic extreme absolutes via deflections, goal post movements, straw men, etc.

 

[JM]

Yup, replying to what you said.
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Speaking of logic...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

I'll choose door number one: with no nefarious intention, Apple purposely optimizes latest iOS for latest hardware, and actually does not bother to optimize latest iOS for old hardware, thus creating a fortuitous scenario for Apple.

There, no assumptions
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the iapplebytes videos are just one resource, with one set of iphones. what about all the other iphones out there? what percentage of ALL the iphones on ios 11 have these issues? i don't know the answer to that, and... neither does anyone else. if one person has an issue, and decides we all have the issue, that doesn't make it true. for the last time, your experience is valid, but doesn't speak for everyone's experience. and, in case you haven't notice, more people post when they have issues then when they don't (so we see a dozen angry or 'need help' threads, and maybe one saying how great the new os is).

the world is enormous, and we can't make definitive statements based on one web forum, or a single youtube account.

Shoot, I don't know about you, but Macrumors is MY world.

 

[fisherking]

I'll choose door number one: with no nefarious intention, Apple purposely optimizes latest iOS for latest hardware, and actually does not bother to optimize latest iOS for old hardware, thus creating a fortuitous scenario for Apple.

There, no assumptions
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Shoot, I don't know about you, but Macrumors is MY world.

but that's PURE assumption!

i honestly spend way too much time here on macrumors; guilty as charged. but... you gotta get out more. there's SO much other stuff happening. there are real people,who just use their iphones, and are more concerned with family, community, bars, music, etc etc...ie LIFE.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Why would they change something that we loved on iOS 10 on purpose? They just didn’t want the 7 or even the 8 to be as fast as the iPhone X.

It’s like removing the 3D Touch app switcher shortcut, but leaving it on the iPhone X, so that people feel that they’re missing out on something, and then adding it with iOS 11.1, which is gonna drop when the iPhone X launches. Past the pre-ordering stage. Genius.

Assuming 11.1 drops on the same day as the X, both phones will have the feature available on the same day. How exactly does the X have an advantage for this?

Last year the iPhone 7, Apple’s latest and greatest, had a home button bug that caused animations to be all wonky on launch. Did Apple do it on purpose? No, it was a software bug that they addressed.

Reduce Motion has been crippled by input delay for the past few iOS versions. iOS 11 finally allows you to hit the home button during an animation. If what you’re saying gun is true, why would they fix this issue if they wanted to make the current iPhones look worse?

 

[JM]

wait, you're saying that the other people at apple, the board, the top execs, jonny ive... they have no voice? and only tim cook does? AND he doesn't care? and that's what you got from the time magazine article?

Okay, fine, you win. NO ONE cares at Apple. Is that better?
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but that's PURE assumption!

i honestly spend way too much time here on macrumors; guilty as charged. but... you gotta get out more. there's SO much other stuff happening. there are real people,who just use their iphones, and are more concerned with family, community, bars, music, etc etc...ie LIFE.

Like me...

and it is very reasonable to believe that Apple doesn't give a flip about optimizing older hardware, because old hardware doesn't make them money.

I don't think its purposeful planned obsolescence, it's just neglect. And I don't have to be a wacko nut-job who never gets out to think that.

And, every opinion about things we can't prove or test are assumptions. Everyone's belief that Apple DOESN'T purposefully slows down old devices is just as much an assumption as my (and brave warrior Radeon to keep defending against everyone. Ha) viewpoint.

This is fun.

 

[Radon87000]

Assuming 11.1 drops on the same day as the X, both phones will have the feature available on the same day. How exactly does the X have an advantage for this?

Last year the iPhone 7, Apple’s latest and greatest, had a home button bug that caused animations to be all wonky on launch. Did Apple do it on purpose? No, it was a software bug that they addressed.

Reduce Motion has been crippled by input delay for the past few iOS versions. iOS 11 finally allows you to hit the home button during an animation. If what you’re saying gun is true, why would they fix this issue if they wanted to make the current iPhones look worse?

On what version of iOS 10 was the home button bug fixed?

 

[imagineadam]

Assuming 11.1 drops on the same day as the X, both phones will have the feature available on the same day. How exactly does the X have an advantage for this?

Last year the iPhone 7, Apple’s latest and greatest, had a home button bug that caused animations to be all wonky on launch. Did Apple do it on purpose? No, it was a software bug that they addressed.

Reduce Motion has been crippled by input delay for the past few iOS versions. iOS 11 finally allows you to hit the home button during an animation. If what you’re saying gun is true, why would they fix this issue if they wanted to make the current iPhones look worse?

The 7 did have a hiccup in the close app animation before 10.3 but the response was still instant.

I'm using a 7 on 10.3.3 still and I always have reduce motion on and I can interrupt animations by hitting home and so can my wife's 6 on 10.3.3 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

However I did play with every iPhone except the 5S on iOS 11 yesterday at a store and I did notice you can hit app icons mid close animation like you used to be able to do on iOS 8.4.1 and below. That is a welcome change back! Maybe that's what you are talking about.

Another thing I noticed is how slow the iPhone 6S was to open the settings app. I cleared everything out of the app switcher and opening settings took literally 3 full seconds every time I opened it.

My wife's regular 6 on 10.3.3 felt faster side by side opening the basic apps compared to the 6S. Maybe something was wrong with it or it's just a worn out demo phone but it was weird.

The opening app animation just feels slower on all iOS 11 devices compared to my 7 on 10.3.3 and of course the delay on the 8 when closing apps still super cringeworthy. Also the delay entering multitasking is there too compared to iOS 10. Just an extra half second till the multitasking opens after a double click. Still trying to figure out why they'd slow this down.

 

[Radon87000]

The 7 did have a hiccup in the close app animation before 10.3 but the response was still instant.

I'm using a 7 on 10.3.3 still and I always have reduce motion on and I can interrupt animations by hitting home and so can my wife's 6 on 10.3.3 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

However I did play with every iPhone except the 5S on iOS 11 yesterday at a store and I did notice you can hit app icons mid close animation like you used to be able to do on iOS 8.4.1 and below. That is a welcome change back! Maybe that's what you are talking about.

Another thing I noticed is how slow the iPhone 6S was to open the settings app. I cleared everything out of the app switcher and opening settings took literally 3 full seconds every time I opened it.

My wife's regular 6 on 10.3.3 felt faster side by side opening the basic apps compared to the 6S. Maybe something was wrong with it or it's just a worn out demo phone but it was weird.

The opening app animation just feels slower on all iOS 11 devices compared to my 7 on 10.3.3 and of course the delay on the 8 when closing apps still super cringeworthy. Also the delay entering multitasking is there too compared to iOS 10. Just an extra half second till the multitasking opens after a double click. Still trying to figure out why they'd slow this down.

Open the app switcher using the 3DT gesture for instant response. It works with my glass protector which was a pleasant surprise. The button method has a slight delay although not as bad as when closing an app.

 

[_Refurbished_]

On what version of iOS 10 was the home button bug fixed?

Pretty sure it was fixed on iOS 11. Had been broken since iOS 9. I didn't use Reduce Motion on later versions of iOS 10, it's possible they fixed it on 10.3 and not 11.0....but either way...there was a year or more of issues. Why fix this issue if they're planning a "home button assault".

 

[Nisaja]

Assuming 11.1 drops on the same day as the X, both phones will have the feature available on the same day. How exactly does the X have an advantage for this?

Last year the iPhone 7, Apple’s latest and greatest, had a home button bug that caused animations to be all wonky on launch. Did Apple do it on purpose? No, it was a software bug that they addressed.

Reduce Motion has been crippled by input delay for the past few iOS versions. iOS 11 finally allows you to hit the home button during an animation. If what you’re saying gun is true, why would they fix this issue if they wanted to make the current iPhones look worse?

Because most of the iPhone X sales are going to come from pre orders. That’s the time when customers with older iPhones think “well crap, my phone is slow and old. Gotta get the new one”. They make it seem like your phone is slow and lacking features, but then deliberately add them back, to falsify all the conspiracy theories. Maybe they added it back just because they realized people missed it. Either way, it was done purposely.