Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[_Refurbished_]

The 7 did have a hiccup in the close app animation before 10.3 but the response was still instant.

I'm using a 7 on 10.3.3 still and I always have reduce motion on and I can interrupt animations by hitting home and so can my wife's 6 on 10.3.3 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

However I did play with every iPhone except the 5S on iOS 11 yesterday at a store and I did notice you can hit app icons mid close animation like you used to be able to do on iOS 8.4.1 and below. That is a welcome change back! Maybe that's what you are talking about.

Another thing I noticed is how slow the iPhone 6S was to open the settings app. I cleared everything out of the app switcher and opening settings took literally 3 full seconds every time I opened it.

My wife's regular 6 on 10.3.3 felt faster side by side opening the basic apps compared to the 6S. Maybe something was wrong with it or it's just a worn out demo phone but it was weird.

The opening app animation just feels slower on all iOS 11 devices compared to my 7 on 10.3.3 and of course the delay on the 8 when closing apps still super cringeworthy. Also the delay entering multitasking is there too compared to iOS 10. Just an extra half second till the multitasking opens after a double click. Still trying to figure out why they'd slow this down.

It's possible they fixed the issue I'm talking about by 10.3.3. I turned off Reduce Motion after a few versions of iOS 10, since it didn't rectify the issue. I had waited over a YEAR for them to fix it, so I forgot about it. Glad it's working on later versions of iOS 10.

Either way, Apple fixed it. It took forever to fix it, but they did. I have no idea what took them so long to fix a minor animation bug, so that's anyone's guess.

The point is that there is a correlation between the Reduce Motion issue and this new "home button" animation issue. Since iOS 9, there has been an issues with home button input:
iOS 9: Reduce Motion input delay
iOS 10: iPhone 7 Home Animation glitch
iOS 11: Universal Home Button delay

The real question is: Why does Apple change the animation of the springboard every year? Every year over the past few years has had issues related to it.

 

[C DM]

I'll choose door number one: with no nefarious intention, Apple purposely optimizes latest iOS for latest hardware, and actually does not bother to optimize latest iOS for old hardware, thus creating a fortuitous scenario for Apple.

There, no assumptions
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Shoot, I don't know about you, but Macrumors is MY world.

Still an assumption (although a more realistic one).

 

[_Refurbished_]

Still an assumption (although a more realistic one).

Aren't you assuming Apple doesn't slow down older iPhones every year on purpose? We're not the only ones "assuming". What proof do you have that they're not?

If anything, there is visual proof that older devices slow down on newer software. There isn't proof Apple does it on purpose. Hence, the assumption. However, there is evidence that this an ongoing issue, leading us to believe that Apple is causing these delays on purpose.

 

[fisherking]

Okay, fine, you win. NO ONE cares at Apple. Is that better?
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Like me...

and it is very reasonable to believe that Apple doesn't give a flip about optimizing older hardware, because old hardware doesn't make them money.

I don't think its purposeful planned obsolescence, it's just neglect. And I don't have to be a wacko nut-job who never gets out to think that.

And, every opinion about things we can't prove or test are assumptions. Everyone's belief that Apple DOESN'T purposefully slows down old devices is just as much an assumption as my (and brave warrior Radeon to keep defending against everyone. Ha) viewpoint.

This is fun.

so, you're saying, if you make an assumption with no proof, and others counter that, then they're making assumptions as well? that's a never-ending spiral. if you make a statement, back it up with real evidence. otherwise, it's just a theory, an opinion... which you're of course entitled to.

the challenge is to know the difference between a theory and a fact, and... there's a huge difference.

 

[C DM]

Aren't you assuming Apple doesn't slow down older iPhones every year on purpose? We're not the only ones "assuming". What proof do you have that they're not?

If anything, there is visual proof that older devices slow down on newer software. There isn't proof Apple does it on purpose. Hence, the assumption. However, there is evidence that this an ongoing issue, leading us to believe that Apple is causing these delays on purpose.

Since we keep going in the same circles, we can skip to what was already said before:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-26#post-25224256

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-26#post-25224468

 

[steve62388]

And, every opinion about things we can't prove or test are assumptions. Everyone's belief that Apple DOESN'T purposefully slows down old devices is just as much an assumption as my (and brave warrior Radeon to keep defending against everyone. Ha) viewpoint.

This is fun.

Your comment has some merit, but it's incredibly difficult to prove a negative. Therefore it's incumbent on those making the rather grand claim that it's all part of a conspiracy of planned obsolescence on Apple's part (which does exist, just not on the terms raised here) to prove their case. They have no proof and so have resorted to logic which has been shown by other posters to be flawed (if you have read the whole thread).

I have noticed recent posts by the conspiracy theorists have started to shift the argument somewhat, often a sign that their case is floundering.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Since we keep going in the same circles, we can skip to what was already said before:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-26#post-25224256

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-26#post-25224468

You keep up bringing up the word assumption as a way to devalue someone’s post.

All I’m saying is it’s hypocritical to devalue someone for making an assumption, when you’re making assumptions as well.

 

[C DM]

You keep up bringing up the word assumption as a way to devalue someone’s post.

All I’m saying is it’s hypocritical to devalue someone for making an assumption, when you’re making assumptions as well.

I'm brining it up to show that it's not a given and not an absolute, given the usual hyperbolic and extreme ways that those particular assumptions are usually presented to make them appear as some sort of facts and that everything else not only doesn't make sense but can't and shouldn't even be considered (let alone be quite likely). Again, that's the important difference that is being overlooked (willfully or not).

Also, just because something is being assumed, doesn't mean that some assumptions can have more (or less) going for them than others.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Your comment has some merit, but it's incredibly difficult to prove a negative. Therefore it's incumbent on those making the rather grand claim that it's all part of a conspiracy of planned obsolescence on Apple's part (which does exist, just not on the terms raised here) to prove their case. They have no proof and so have resorted to logic which has been shown by other posters to be flawed (if you have read the whole thread).

I have noticed recent posts by the conspiracy theorists have started to shift the argument somewhat, often a sign that their case is floundering.

There are two different issues being discussed:
Planned obsolescence
Purposely slowing the home button

This thread was originally attacking Apple for purposely slowing down the home button, to make the iPhone X look good. Through the course of the thread, planned obsolescence was brought into the discussion.

Planned obsolescence has plenty of visual proof to confirm its potential. Purposely slowing down the home button on Apple’s new device that it’s heavily marketing? That makes no sense.

To me it’s clear Apple intentionally creates software that’s slightly more demanding on older hardware. This gives users the “desire” for a new device. When people go into the Apple store and try Apple’s latest phone, they’ll say “wow” this is fast.

The intent can never be proven, but the consistency of the slowdown can. Either way, devices slow down on newer OS iterations. Apple users shouldn’t accept this, but they do. As other platforms show, newer software does NOT mean slower performance. In Apple’s case, it does on every iPhone ever released. There’s 10 years of evidence.

 

[JM]

so, you're saying, if you make an assumption with no proof, and others counter that, then they're making assumptions as well? that's a never-ending spiral. if you make a statement, back it up with real evidence. otherwise, it's just a theory, an opinion... which you're of course entitled to.

the challenge is to know the difference between a theory and a fact, and... there's a huge difference.

Yep. It's a spiral. Haha. This entire conversation is a spiral of opinions, which to me makes it interesting.

And there IS proof that older devices are slowing down with daily usage. Videos of it.

 

[_Refurbished_]

I'm brining it up to show that it's not a given and not an absolute, given the usual hyperbolic and extreme ways that those particular assumptions are usually presented to make them appear as some sort of facts and that everything else not only doesn't make sense but can't and shouldn't even be considered (let alone be quite likely). Again, that's the important difference that is being overlooked (willfully or not).

Also, just because something is being assumed, doesn't mean that some assumptions can have more (or less) going for them than others.

As always, circles. Endless circles.

There is visual evidence and 10 years of personal experience, so it’s not a baseless assumption (planned obsolescence, not home button lag).

You say that people proclaim things as facts, but in the same, you’re claiming something doesn’t exist....even though there is evidence that suggests planned obsolescence exists. It’s hypocritical.

 

[JM]

Your comment has some merit, but it's incredibly difficult to prove a negative. Therefore it's incumbent on those making the rather grand claim that it's all part of a conspiracy of planned obsolescence on Apple's part (which does exist, just not on the terms raised here) to prove their case. They have no proof and so have resorted to logic which has been shown by other posters to be flawed (if you have read the whole thread).

I have noticed recent posts by the conspiracy theorists have started to shift the argument somewhat, often a sign that their case is floundering.

Eh. Losing interest.

I'm not saying apple is nefarious, I'm saying they are ignoring optimization on older devices. It's different than claiming purposeful planned obsolescence. I'm saying it's accidental and a byproduct if Apple ignoring older devices to focus on getting their new devices running as perfectly as possible.

 

[I7guy]

There are two different issues being discussed:
Planned obsolescence
Purposely slowing the home button

This thread was originally attacking Apple for purposely slowing down the home button, to make the iPhone X look good. Through the course of the thread, planned obsolescence was brought into the discussion.

Planned obsolescence has plenty of visual proof to confirm its potential. Purposely slowing down the home button on Apple’s new device that it’s heavily marketing? That makes no sense.

To me it’s clear Apple intentionally creates software that’s slightly more demanding on older hardware. This gives users the “desire” for a new device. When people go into the Apple store and try Apple’s latest phone, they’ll say “wow” this is fast.

The intent can never be proven, but the consistency of the slowdown can. Either way, devices slow down on newer OS iterations. Apple users shouldn’t accept this, but they do. As other platforms show, newer software does NOT mean slower performance. In Apple’s case, it does on every iPhone ever released. There’s 10 years of evidence.

I disagree. My 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7, and 7+ are all running fine in various versions of iOS.

 

[C DM]

As always, circles. Endless circles.

There is visual evidence and 10 years of personal experience, so it’s not a baseless assumption (planned obsolescence, not home button lag).

You say that people proclaim things as facts, but in the same, you’re claiming something doesn’t exist....even though there is evidence that suggests planned obsolescence exists. It’s hypocritical.

I've been saying that there are other fitting, and even better fitting explanations to it all that make assumptions of conspiracies that much less likely, and certainly not as some sort of exaggerated absolute facts, as they are often made out to be. And that plenty of people are having a variety of all kinds of experiences, many of them quite positive. Taking all of that and trying to overblow it into something else to try to come up with something that might somehow come off as hypocritical seems to be that in itself.

Ultimately what it all mostly comes down to are a few things that have been brought up a number of times in previous posts:

once again, check the title of this thread. am not arguing whether people are having issues with their iphones; people are always having issues with ANY version of ios (that's the reality of new tech). but again, what are the percentages, if we count ALL the iphone/ipad users who've moved to ios11? without that, the only thing we know for a fact is: some people are having issues, others are not. so, saying 'i have an issue, therefore everyone has this issue' is just absurb.

Your comment has some merit, but it's incredibly difficult to prove a negative. Therefore it's incumbent on those making the rather grand claim that it's all part of a conspiracy of planned obsolescence on Apple's part (which does exist, just not on the terms raised here) to prove their case. They have no proof and so have resorted to logic which has been shown by other posters to be flawed (if you have read the whole thread).

I have noticed recent posts by the conspiracy theorists have started to shift the argument somewhat, often a sign that their case is floundering.

 

[_Refurbished_]

I disagree. My 5s, 6s, 6s+, 7, and 7+ are all running fine in various versions of iOS.

Running fine is subjective to each person, but visual differences can be proven through video. Evidence was shown last year for naysayers (you being one of them).... that didn’t work.

My 5C is not running nearly as fast as it used to on a fresh install. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

 

[Radon87000]

Pretty sure it was fixed on iOS 11. Had been broken since iOS 9. I didn't use Reduce Motion on later versions of iOS 10, it's possible they fixed it on 10.3 and not 11.0....but either way...there was a year or more of issues. Why fix this issue if they're planning a "home button assault".

I bought my iPhone 7 Plus when I was on iOS 10 and did not encounter any home button issue on iOS 10. Neither did I have any major home button issue with my 6 on iOS 8 and 9. This is the first time I am experiencing it.
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so, you're saying, if you make an assumption with no proof, and others counter that, then they're making assumptions as well? that's a never-ending spiral. if you make a statement, back it up with real evidence. otherwise, it's just a theory, an opinion... which you're of course entitled to.

the challenge is to know the difference between a theory and a fact, and... there's a huge difference.

What do you mean no proof? Devices slow down and don't recover their original performance. Give me an explanation for this. If the A11 Bionic is almost half as powerful as a 7700k according to geekbench why are newer OS variants expected to slow it down? Heck the 7700k is a monster at almost any task I throw at it. If the A11 scores near a half it should handle ios easily.

Also even if Apple just ignores their older devices and only cares about newer hardware I still consider it intentional obsolescence. The NVIDIA GTX 970 loses to the R9 290X on almost any game nowadays whereas it used to beat it when it was released. The 780ti was more powerful than the 970 when it was released. Now it isn't. The reason is NVIDIA is notorious for ignoring their cards while AMD actually bothers to optimise their older cards on newer games. Lack of effort is still intentional.

 

[_Refurbished_]

I bought my iPhone 7 Plus when I was on iOS 10 and did not encounter any home button issue on iOS 10. Neither did I have any home button issue with my 6 on iOS 8 and 9. This is the first time I am experiencing it.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-7-ios-10-app-close-animation.1996953/

It existed on early versions of iOS 10, on the closing animation. People claimed it was on purpose because Apple went to a haptic button. This wasn’t true. Apple fixed the animation within a month or two.

 

[I7guy]

Running fine is subjective to each person, but visual differences can be proven through video. Evidence was shown last year for naysayers (you being one of them).... that didn’t work.

My 5C is not running nearly as fast as it used to on a fresh install. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

The 64 bit chips seem to have more oomph that also is a fact. If the masses think iOS 11 is perfect for them then is there an issue. Differences in behavior are not planned obsolescence.

 

[fisherking]

I bought my iPhone 7 Plus when I was on iOS 10 and did not encounter any home button issue on iOS 10. Neither did I have any major home button issue with my 6 on iOS 8 and 9. This is the first time I am experiencing it.
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What do you mean no proof? Devices slow down and don't recover their original performance. Give me an explanation for this. If the A11 Bionic is almost half as powerful as a 7700k according to geekbench why are newer OS variants expected to slow it down? Heck the 7700k is a monster at almost any task I throw at it. If the A11 scores near a half it should handle ios easily.

Also even if Apple just ignores their older devices and only cares about newer hardware I still consider it intentional obsolescence. The NVIDIA GTX 970 loses to the R9 290X on almost any game nowadays whereas it used to beat it when it was released. The 780ti was more powerful than the 970 when it was released. Now it isn't. The reason is NVIDIA is notorious for ignoring their cards while AMD actually bothers to optimise their older cards on newer games. Lack of effort is still intentional.

yes, no proof. some videos showing a problem means that some phones have a problem. we're talking about some versus most. if you don't have evidence that shows that most phones have an issue, then it's a problem on a small scale...
none of which supports any of the conspiracy theories being bandied about in this (and similar threads).

 

[Radon87000]

yes, no proof. some videos showing a problem means that some phones have a problem. we're talking about some versus most. if you don't have evidence that shows that most phones have an issue, then it's a problem on a small scale...
none of which supports any of the conspiracy theories being bandied about in this (and similar threads).

All iPhones have the same hardware and the same software. All those videos are on a clean install. If I do a clean install on my 7 Plus and compare it to a brand new store device, the latter isn't going to perform better. Its the very same hardware. So if a clean install iPhone has an issue, then all Iphones do. Its then just a case whether one notices it or not but objectively it will be there.

 

[_Refurbished_]

The 64 bit chips seem to have more oomph that also is a fact. If the masses think iOS 11 is perfect for them then is there an issue. Differences in behavior are not planned obsolescence.

64bit chips slow down too:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone-5s-slower-but-not-quite-slow/

 

[Radon87000]

Newest Beta still has this delay. They haven't improved it even a little bit

 

[I7guy]

64bit chips slow down too:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone-5s-slower-but-not-quite-slow/

My experience is it feels pretty fast. The very fast inertial scrolling in safari blows the doors off of iOS 10, even on a 5s. So when one says the phone is slower I’m not really seeing that.

 

[C DM]

All iPhones have the same hardware and the same software. All those videos are on a clean install. If I do a clean install on my 7 Plus and compare it to a brand new store device, the latter isn't going to perform better. Its the very same hardware. So if a clean install iPhone has an issue, then all Iphones do. Its then just a case whether one notices it or not but objectively it will be there.

Interesting how that works out:

I bought my iPhone 7 Plus when I was on iOS 10 and did not encounter any home button issue on iOS 10. Neither did I have any major home button issue with my 6 on iOS 8 and 9. This is the first time I am experiencing it.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-7-ios-10-app-close-animation.1996953/

It existed on early versions of iOS 10, on the closing animation. People claimed it was on purpose because Apple went to a haptic button. This wasn’t true. Apple fixed the animation within a month or two.

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Newest Beta still has this delay. They haven't improved it even a little bit

Seems like various others are seeing something at least somewhat different with respect to that.

 

[fisherking]

All iPhones have the same hardware and the same software. All those videos are on a clean install. If I do a clean install on my 7 Plus and compare it to a brand new store device, the latter isn't going to perform better. Its the very same hardware. So if a clean install iPhone has an issue, then all Iphones do. Its then just a case whether one notices it or not but objectively it will be there.

you mean, every chip, every component is identical? every one of us uses icloud, & our devices, the same way? we use the same settings, have the same providers (phone service and internet) and have the same apps installed? so, because assembly-manufacturing is perfect, there are no inconsistencies between our devices. an impressive fact on our lovely flat earth....