Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Radon87000]

Funny how you say this about devices, and are ok with it. But when it comes to your constant unhappiness with iOS and told to venture to Android and be happy, it’s a ludicrous comment.

There is no proper tablet or smart watch on Android. So it's either deal with these iOS issues or deal with the lack of integration on the other platform. Do you know how much of a pain it is transferring files between iOS and android. I would have to use a cloud solution or Xender to do so. I frequently deal with a lot of files and because my iPad Pro 12.9 is too large to carry around sometimes, I transfer the files to my iPhone. And also save game progress between iOS and Android on the runner games I play wouldn't sync. My Apple Watch is rendered useless. Some apps like Chrome and Xender do make it easier though which is why I am considering the option.

As I said even if I get an Android I am keeping my 7 Plus. I have never used iOS and Android together before.

Stay on the 7+ until a worthy upgrade is in the line up at the price you want to pay? That’s generally what people do with everything that they don’t agree on the price with. IE wait until it is affordable.

No one is forcing you to update annually, or pay $1000.

The writing is on the wall. These prices aren't dropping any time soon. The X Plus which will launch next year will launch at $1100 base for 64GB and Samsung and the others will,also raise raise prices in reaction. There was a article on theverge about this where they stated that with innovation drying out in this sector incremental changes are going to demand a lot of money.

If I don't want to pay $1000 I have to get mid range phones or the iPhones a year late. I hate buying dated hardware.

I honestly hate the small display size of the X but it seems to have comparably lesser issues atm.

 

[Feenician]

Do you know how much of a pain it is transferring files between iOS and android

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$26. Problem solved.

 

[Radon87000]

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$26. Problem solved.

I am not carrying another accessory. It also seems cumbersome. I have to transfer files first to that USB and then into the Android phone.

It's not as smooth as Airdrop or file transfer via NFC on Android.

 

[decafjava]

I honestly hate the small size of the X but it seems to have comparably lesser issues atm.

Different strokes I guess! It's too bad Apple don't seem to be looking at an SE2 - I advised a friend to get one to replace his 5C and he is very happy with it - he really doesn't like phones like my 7 plus it's like a brick to him! Apple could catch a not insignificant portion of the mid-range market if they wanted. There are some good Android choices mid-range (One Plus One I heard) and Apple did refresh the iPad (not the Pro) for this market in tablets.

 

[Radon87000]

So I thought it was just the placebo effect with the indexing going on but with Freakonomics in the beta thread also agreeing with me, I am sure I am not imagining it. The delay has gotten a tad bit worse. Not by much( around 0.2-0.3 seconds) but it has definitely gotten worse.
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Different strokes I guess! It's too bad Apple don't seem to be looking at an SE2 - I advised a friend to get one to replace his 5C and he is very happy with it - he really doesn't like phones like my 7 plus it's like a brick to him! Apple could catch a not insignificant portion of the mid-range market if they wanted. There are some good Android choices mid-range (One Plus One I heard) and Apple did refresh the iPad (not the Pro) for this market in tablets.

Previously I used to be like that. I didn’t like the Plus iPhones because I felt they were too cumbersome to handle but once I threw aside my fears and got the 7 Plus because I realised Apple wasn’t going to give the smaller models any new upgrade worthy features( Heck Google even taunted them for this in their event) and then I just got hooked to the large screen. Then I also did this with iPads by upgrading to the 12.9 iPad which everyone finds heavy and not easy and use as the 10.5 model but I loved the big screen. I find the smaller models to cause eye strain to me with the displays.

If Apple came out with the X Plus, I would be all over that. It seems nothing on the Android market is perfect currently. There are issues with the fundamental aspects of a phone like displays and unlock methods.


The Pixel display seems to be having many doubters with people saying they found it even less vibrant than the 7 Plus display! Max brightness is 400 nits while my iPhone 7 has peak brightness of 705. The Note has an irritating iris scanner which doesn’t work Properly with glasses and unlock methods make or break a phone. TheVerge destroyed the LG V30 for the screen in their review out today. If FaceID on the X isn’t like TouchID on my iPhone 7 Plus I will return that as well even thoughI really wanted that oled display.

I think all these facial recognition bandwagonners haven’t thought about people wearing high power glasses like me. Craigh did say FaceID worked with sunglasses but he didn’t say if it would be as fast. I might as well get the Note 8 if FaceID has the same weakness as Samsung’s iris scanner

 

[d5aqoëp]

I’m still trying to understand why Apple would purposefully do this. It’s obvious that the software just wasn’t very polished and they’re still making improvements, as we’ve seen over the past few 11.1 betas.

Apple’s motive is easy to understand. iPhone 8 was Apple’s bastard child they wished they never produced. But due to iPhone X parts shortage and manufacturing issues, they had to release a stop gap product which looks same as 2014 iPhone. Apple may have already abandoned optimisations for iPhone 8. As I said, Home button is legacy and might not see any change in behavior.

Now Apple’s poster boy iPhone X would have to be the best. Since it has no Home button, Apple has to convince the masses that “swipe up to close an app” IS FASTER than pressing Home Button. They have to show a tangible advantage in speed. Hence the deliberate and calculated adjustment to add 1 second delay to close an app.
But Apple apolpogists will continue to do what they do best. Apologise and more apologise. They never have the guts to call out Apple for shady stuff.

If at all Apple fixes this home button lag/delay, many of us will have a smile on their face.

 

[C DM]

Apple’s motive is easy to understand. iPhone 8 was Apple’s bastard child they wished they never produced. But due to iPhone X parts shortage and manufacturing issues, they had to release a stop gap product which looks same as 2014 iPhone. Apple may have already abandoned optimisations for iPhone 8. As I said, Home button is legacy and might not see any change in behavior.

Now Apple’s poster boy iPhone X would have to be the best. Since it has no Home button, Apple has to convince the masses that “swipe up to close an app” IS FASTER than pressing Home Button. They have to show a tangible advantage in speed. Hence the deliberate and calculated adjustment to add 1 second delay to close an app.
But Apple apolpogists will continue to do what they do best. Apologise and more apologise. They never have the guts to call out Apple for shady stuff.

If at all Apple fixes this home button lag/delay, many of us will have a smile on their face.

That's some conspiracy that Apple would need to go through for just a tiny something that the vast majority of their customers don't and won't even notice, let alone care about. But, sure, that certainly seems like the likely scenario, similar to it usually being zebras running when one hears hoof beats.

 

[Radon87000]

That's some conspiracy that Apple would need to go through for just a tiny something that the vast majority of their customers don't and won't even notice, let alone care about. But, sure, that certainly seems like the likely scenario, similar to it usually being zebras running when one hears hoof beats.

It will become instantly noticeable when these same customers play with iPhone X.

 

[C DM]

It will become instantly noticeable when these same customers play with iPhone X.

And yet even if that's the case the vast majority of typical customers won't really notice it or care given that many who even read forums here don't, and these aren't even close to typical customers.

 

[iSayBoourns]

If at all Apple fixes this home button lag/delay, many of us will have a smile on their face.

Wrong.

You would all just move onto the next insignificant thing to endlessly complain over, concocting up even more wild conspiracies.

Everyone knows that’s all that would happen, including you and the other usuals like you.

 

[Radon87000]

And yet even if that's the case the vast majority of typical customers won't really notice it or care given that many who even read forums here don't, and these aren't even close to typical customers.

I am not sure you realise this delay. Swipe to home on X is instant. Apple's marketing documents show this. Pressing the home button is not instant. This will be noticeable when people see the iPhone X in action. On iOS 10 the animation starts the very instant I click the home button. INSTANT.
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Wrong.

You would all just move onto the next insignificant thing to endlessly complain over, concocting up even more wild conspiracies.

Everyone knows that’s all that would happen, including you and the other usuals like you.

It's not insignificant. It's made the response time of my my 7 to be slower than the 6.

Video showing this:
https://streamable.com/6s01k

THe reason the iPhone 7 beat the Note 8 in speed tests and iPhone 8 lost to the Note 8 in speed tests is partly because of the home button delay.The Note 8 home button was instant compared to iPhone 8.

 

[C DM]

I am not sure you realise this delay. Swipe to home on X is instant. Apple's marketing documents show this. Pressing the home button is not instant. This will be noticeable when people see the iPhone X in action. On iOS 10 the animation starts the very instant I click the home button. INSTANT.
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It's not insignificant. It's made the response time of my my 7 to be slower than the 6.

Video showing this:
https://streamable.com/6s01k

THe reason the iPhone 7 beat the Note 8 in speed tests and iPhone 8 lost to the Note 8 in speed tests is partly because of the home button delay.The Note 8 home button was instant compared to iPhone 8.

And you are still overlooking the vast majority of typical customers who don't notice and/or actually care about small things like this.

 

[skillwill]

And you are still overlooking the vast majority of typical customers who don't notice and/or actually care about small things like this.

This is a really bizarre argument that you keep peddling like a record stuck on repeat. Just because someone doesn't notice or care about something, doesn't mean it's not there or not a problem or shouldn't be fixed. If that attitude was applied to everything there would be no incentive to make anything good because most people don't notice/even look for most problems, they just take what's given.

Imagine how far we'd have progressed as humans if everyone thought like you. The iPhone itself, for example, was built on a small group of people recognising that mobiles at the time sucked. Good job you weren't in the planning room: "Well most people don't notice or don't care that having a permanent plastic keyboard is a problem, so let's just keep making the same things and telling people they're wrong."

If you don't have any actual answers to the issues people are experiencing with iOS 11, why keep dropping the same unrelated, meaningless line that completely misses the point and therefore doesn't add anything to the discussion?

 

[macintoshmac]

This is a really bizarre argument that you keep peddling like a record stuck on repeat. Just because someone doesn't notice or care about something, doesn't mean it's not there or not a problem or shouldn't be fixed. If that attitude was applied to everything there would be no incentive to make anything good because most people don't notice/even look for most problems, they just take what's given.

Imagine how far we'd have progressed as humans if everyone thought like you. The iPhone itself, for example, was built on a small group of people recognising that mobiles at the time sucked. Good job you weren't in the planning room: "Well most people don't notice or don't care that having a permanent plastic keyboard is a problem, so let's just keep making the same things and telling people they're wrong."

If you don't have any actual answers to the issues people are experiencing with iOS 11, why keep dropping the same unrelated, meaningless line that completely misses the point and therefore doesn't add anything to the discussion?

Strongly worded response. A little too strong.

I think what he meant by saying most people won't and don't notice it is that this particular delay or bug would probably not be high on Apple's list of priorities - especially when most people won't be noticing it right off the bat.

 

[fisherking]

This is a really bizarre argument that you keep peddling like a record stuck on repeat. Just because someone doesn't notice or care about something, doesn't mean it's not there or not a problem or shouldn't be fixed. If that attitude was applied to everything there would be no incentive to make anything good because most people don't notice/even look for most problems, they just take what's given.

Imagine how far we'd have progressed as humans if everyone thought like you. The iPhone itself, for example, was built on a small group of people recognising that mobiles at the time sucked. Good job you weren't in the planning room: "Well most people don't notice or don't care that having a permanent plastic keyboard is a problem, so let's just keep making the same things and telling people they're wrong."

If you don't have any actual answers to the issues people are experiencing with iOS 11, why keep dropping the same unrelated, meaningless line that completely misses the point and therefore doesn't add anything to the discussion?

an endless argument (and some mod, please let this thread die already )

Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

and the answer is; we don't know, no one has concrete evidence to support this claim... and facts require proof. meanwhile, is there a delay? yes, apparently, for some. but some people's experience does not prove it true for all of us. and, like it or not, we all have to live in the 'real' world (which of course doesn't stop many from trying not to).

 

[dannyyankou]

Apple’s motive is easy to understand. iPhone 8 was Apple’s bastard child they wished they never produced. But due to iPhone X parts shortage and manufacturing issues, they had to release a stop gap product which looks same as 2014 iPhone. Apple may have already abandoned optimisations for iPhone 8. As I said, Home button is legacy and might not see any change in behavior.

Now Apple’s poster boy iPhone X would have to be the best. Since it has no Home button, Apple has to convince the masses that “swipe up to close an app” IS FASTER than pressing Home Button. They have to show a tangible advantage in speed. Hence the deliberate and calculated adjustment to add 1 second delay to close an app.
But Apple apolpogists will continue to do what they do best. Apologise and more apologise. They never have the guts to call out Apple for shady stuff.

If at all Apple fixes this home button lag/delay, many of us will have a smile on their face.

I’m not buying that at all. It’s clear that iOS 11 wasn’t ready for prime time and they’re still making optimizations in 11.1. They’ll fix the home button delay, I’m sure.

And not everything’s faster with the iPhone X. Swiping up and holding to invoke multitasking is slower than double clicking the home button.

 

[Radon87000]

Strongly worded response. A little too strong.

I think what he meant by saying most people won't and don't notice it is that this particular delay or bug would probably not be high on Apple's list of priorities - especially when most people won't be noticing it right off the bat.

See there are people who didn’t notice the 3D Touch stutter on this forum when it was so apparent so that means that problem doesn’t need an immediate fix by your logic.This phone is responding slower to input than a mid range Android phone.

Put the iPhone 8 against the X after 2 weeks and it will get demolished by the X and people will notice this. Put it against any Android and you will immediately notice it. Input lag of any type is bad.

an endless argument (and some mod, please let this thread die already )

Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

and the answer is; we don't know, no one has concrete evidence to support this claim... and facts require proof. meanwhile, is there a delay? yes, apparently, for some. but some people's experience does not prove it true for all of us. and, like it or not, we all have to live in the 'real' world (which of course doesn't stop many from trying not to).

Please Post a video of your home button like on the first page. I will point it out to you. There is no “some”. It’s there on every iPhone running iOS 11 I have come across be it work or my own personal phones.

 

[C DM]

This is a really bizarre argument that you keep peddling like a record stuck on repeat. Just because someone doesn't notice or care about something, doesn't mean it's not there or not a problem or shouldn't be fixed. If that attitude was applied to everything there would be no incentive to make anything good because most people don't notice/even look for most problems, they just take what's given.

Imagine how far we'd have progressed as humans if everyone thought like you. The iPhone itself, for example, was built on a small group of people recognising that mobiles at the time sucked. Good job you weren't in the planning room: "Well most people don't notice or don't care that having a permanent plastic keyboard is a problem, so let's just keep making the same things and telling people they're wrong."

If you don't have any actual answers to the issues people are experiencing with iOS 11, why keep dropping the same unrelated, meaningless line that completely misses the point and therefore doesn't add anything to the discussion?

If you look at the context of the particular discussion where that was brought up you would see that it has nothing to do with the existence of the issue or whether or not it should be dealt with if it is there. It was in the context of this kind of thing being some sort of a deliberate malicious conspiracy. Context matters in discussions (and beyond).

 

[macintoshmac]

See there are people who didn’t notice the 3D Touch stutter on this forum when it was so apparent so that means that problem doesn’t need an immediate fix by your logic.This phone is responding slower to input than a mid range Android phone.

Put the iPhone 8 against the X after 2 weeks and it will get demolished by the X and people will notice this. Put it against any Android and you will immediately notice it. Input lag of any type is bad.

I am not saying anything counter to what you are saying here. I can understand the lag you are talking about.

However, I am only saying that Apple would obviously be aware of it and will be fixing this in time as it always does. I am sure you are also aware of it, seeing as how 11.1 beta 3 is different from 11.0 beta 1 performance-wise and in many other dimensions. It is only the home button lag, and I have reasonable faith that they will come around to getting it to work as like before soon.

I do not understand the constant frustration to the point of heated arguments between forum members regarding these issues.

 

[Radon87000]

If you look at the context of the particular discussion where that was brought up you would see that it has nothing to do with the existence of the issue or whether or not it should be dealt with if it is there. It was in the context of this kind of thing being some sort of a deliberate malicious conspiracy. Context matters in discussions (and beyond).

You claimed customers will not care about this delay even after comparing with the iPhone X and hence this isn’t a big issue. Please do not backtrack
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I am not saying anything counter to what you are saying here. I can understand the lag you are talking about.

However, I am only saying that Apple would obviously be aware of it and will be fixing this in time as it always does. I am sure you are also aware of it, seeing as how 11.1 beta 3 is different from 11.0 beta 1 performance-wise and in many other dimensions. It is only the home button lag, and I have reasonable faith that they will come around to getting it to work as like before soon.

I do not understand the constant frustration to the point of heated arguments between forum members regarding these issues.

If Apple is going to fix this eventually, it’s not going to happen any time soon. They have developed a customised iOS 11 just for the iPhone X and that phone is going to come with it’s own huge share of bugs and what with all the margins and unoptimsied apps Apple will take another 6-7 months just fixing the iPhone X. Truly I don’t expect this to be fixed. I will be happy to be proven wrong on this.

 

[nerdriot]

 

[Radon87000]

I’m not buying that at all. It’s clear that iOS 11 wasn’t ready for prime time and they’re still making optimizations in 11.1. They’ll fix the home button delay, I’m sure.

And not everything’s faster with the iPhone X. Swiping up and holding to invoke multitasking is slower than double clicking the home button.

The X has the 3DT Multi tasking gesture too which is faster than the home button.

 

[Feenician]

I am not saying anything counter to what you are saying here. I can understand the lag you are talking about.

However, I am only saying that Apple would obviously be aware of it and will be fixing this in time as it always does. I am sure you are also aware of it, seeing as how 11.1 beta 3 is different from 11.0 beta 1 performance-wise and in many other dimensions. It is only the home button lag, and I have reasonable faith that they will come around to getting it to work as like before soon.

I do not understand the constant frustration to the point of heated arguments between forum members regarding these issues.

I honestly don't believe it's a bug and it certainly isn't lag in the sense of unoptimized software. I think it's just the unification of home button click response among all handsets that have one.

That's not to say Apple may not change it back under the banner of "feature request" if people actually report it as one but I believe, as of now, it's working as designed.

 

[macintoshmac]

You claimed customers will not care about this delay even after comparing with the iPhone X and hence this isn’t a big issue. Please do not backtrack

Most people will never notice that there is a fractional delay that exists between iOS 10.3.3 and iOS 11, because they are just too busy using the phone as a tool for what it is designed to do, and not like some of the more sensitive among us who would care for the smallest of things and notice it enough and instantly. Most people just use the device so long as it works fast enough. Till it slows down, or just for the sake of upgrading, they buy a new device. Such people will not be the ones noticing the delay.

The action of a swipe does take a tactic second in the mind, and it does not matter if the home screen came up in a fraction or a full second. Same with the iPhone 7 button, the feel is such that it does take "a second" for the process of a "simulated press" to be complete, and when that happens, the home screen is there.

 

[Radon87000]

Most people will never notice that there is a fractional delay that exists between iOS 10.3.3 and iOS 11, because they are just too busy using the phone as a tool for what it is designed to do, and not like some of the more sensitive among us who would care for the smallest of things and notice it enough and instantly. Most people just use the device so long as it works fast enough. Till it slows down, or just for the sake of upgrading, they buy a new device. Such people will not be the ones noticing the delay.

The action of a swipe does take a tactic second in the mind, and it does not matter if the home screen came up in a fraction or a full second. Same with the iPhone 7 button, the feel is such that it does take "a second" for the process of a "simulated press" to be complete, and when that happens, the home screen is there.

On iOS 10 the home button was closing apps instantly which felt way more natural to me. I have it on my iPad and each press is instant. It feels as if the device is closing the app simultaneously as I complete my button press. This is how it is on almost any Android phone as well. Its truly bizarre what Apple has done here. It’s also costing it in real world speed tests. If you disable the animations on Android, it would be a brutal steam roll of the iPhone 8 because not only does it take a second to respond, there is also another animation to complete anything.

There is speed and then there is responsiveness. The Note 8 is on paper a much capable device than the One Plus 5 but when you use a One Plus 5 there is a snappy feeling to it which radiates speed even though the Note 8 is easily faster. That’s thanks to the reduced animations and instant response time.

I feel the iPhone X swipe will be faster than any home button implementation including any on Android. Because the app closing animation happens in tandem with your finger. With the home button implementation the system still waits for your finger to complete pressing the button.