Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Feenician]

On iOS 10 the home button was closing apps instantly which felt way more natural to me. I have it on my iPad and each press is instant. It feels as if the device is closing the app simultaneously as I complete my button press. This is how it is on almost any Android phone as well. Its truly bizarre what Apple has done here. It’s also costing it in real world speed tests. If you disable the animations on Android, it would be a brutal steam roll of the iPhone 8 because not only does it take a second to respond, there is also another animation to complete anything.

There is speed and then there is responsiveness. The Note 8 is on paper a much capable device than the One Plus 5 but when you use a One Plus 5 there is a snappy feeling to it which radiates speed even though the Note 8 is easily faster. That’s thanks to the reduced animations and instant response time.

I feel the iPhone X swipe will be faster than any home button implementation including any on Android. Because the app closing animation happens in tandem with your finger. With the home button implementation the system still waits for your finger to complete pressing the button.

IPhone X will have to wait to see if you're trying to enter multitasking (swipe up and pause)or just let your finger linger a little too long while trying to go home (swipe up). Or there will be a lot of frustrated people. A swipe is clearly slower than a button press in any case (moving a finger a mm vs several cm)

 

[Zaft]

On iOS 10 the home button was closing apps instantly which felt way more natural to me. I have it on my iPad and each press is instant. It feels as if the device is closing the app simultaneously as I complete my button press. This is how it is on almost any Android phone as well. Its truly bizarre what Apple has done here. It’s also costing it in real world speed tests. If you disable the animations on Android, it would be a brutal steam roll of the iPhone 8 because not only does it take a second to respond, there is also another animation to complete anything.

There is speed and then there is responsiveness. The Note 8 is on paper a much capable device than the One Plus 5 but when you use a One Plus 5 there is a snappy feeling to it which radiates speed even though the Note 8 is easily faster. That’s thanks to the reduced animations and instant response time.

I feel the iPhone X swipe will be faster than any home button implementation including any on Android. Because the app closing animation happens in tandem with your finger. With the home button implementation the system still waits for your finger to complete pressing the button.

Samsung should not hide the animation settings via developer options. I bet more users would change the setting if it was more apparent.

 

[dannyyankou]

The X has the 3DT Multi tasking gesture too which is faster than the home button.

It’s actually a bit slower for me, it’s awkward to use.

 

[Radon87000]

IPhone X will have to wait to see if you're trying to enter multitasking (swipe up and pause)or just let your finger linger a little too long while trying to go home (swipe up). Or there will be a lot of frustrated people. A swipe is clearly slower than a button press in any case (moving a finger a mm vs several cm)

You have to press the button before it closes the app. On iPhone X, the app closes alongside your finger. You only need to hold the app card in place if you want to enter multi tasking otherwise a small swipe instantly closes the app. It doesnt wait to see if you are closing the app or entering the app switcher. Here's a gif I made which illustates this

https://i.imgur.com/wClvnQQ.gif

 

[Feenician]

You have to press the button before it closes the app. On iPhone X, the app closes alongside your finger. You only need to hold the app card in place if you want to enter multi tasking otherwise a small swipe instantly closes the app. It doesnt wait to see if you are closing the app or entering the app switcher. Here's a gif I made which illustates this

https://i.imgur.com/wClvnQQ.gif

So the waiting is for multitasking, rather than the other way around. I am 100% sure you will be complaining about "multitasking lag" when you get your hands on it.

 

[Radon87000]

So the waiting is for multitasking, rather than the other way around. I am 100% sure you will be complaining about "multitasking lag" when you get your hands on it.

Thats not an issue because on my phone I am faster using the 3DT multi tasking gesture than the double press because even there compared to iOS 10, Apple has put in a slight delay before the app cards come on screen. That gesture also works on iPhone X. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if slowing down the home button is just Apple's way of telling users how much faster gestures are.

 

[NT1440]

Do you guys remember how an app instantly closes midway during opening animation if we quickly press Home Button on iOS 10? But on iOS 11, it takes 1 second to complete the opening animation. Then 1 second it blocks any input or home button press and then closes.

At first I thought that this is just OS optimisation issue. But when you take iPhone X into consideration which does not have a Home Button, things are clear. Apple wants to show the world that swipe up to close and return to home screen is faster.

Planned Obsolesence exists. Hence proved.

....You've got an incredibly sad interpretation of reality.

At an Apple WWDC presentation (NOT the keynote) a few years back they discussed home button "lag" (meaning, delays) that they continually tweak, but it's there to discern between a single press and a double press. They were talking about how they changed the timer window for button presses by a few milliseconds.

I'll see if I can dig it up (it was a few years ago), but man have you got a completely ignorant view of what makes physical hardware run.

 

[Radon87000]

Samsung should not hide the animation settings via developer options. I bet more users would change the setting if it was more apparent.

EVen on stock Android on my Nexus, its there in developer settings. Even I dont know why Google puts it there
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....You've got an incredibly sad interpretation of reality.

At an Apple WWDC presentation (NOT the keynote) a few years back they discussed home button "lag" (meaning, delays) that they continually tweak, but it's there to discern between a single press and a double press. They were talking about how they changed the timer window for button presses by a few milliseconds.

I'll see if I can dig it up (it was a few years ago), but man have you got a completely ignorant view of what makes physical hardware run.

Then why does iOS 10 have no difficulty discerning the difference between a single press and double press?

 

[Feenician]

Then why does iOS 10 have no difficulty discerning the difference between a single press and double press?

Look, it's really simple. Apple unified the timing of all devices with a home button, physical or capacitive in iOS 11. That's it. Period. There is nothing to discuss over and above that if or until something actually changes.

 

[NT1440]

Then why does iOS 10 have no difficulty discerning the difference between a single press and double press?

.....because they changed the time horizon interval between presses by a few milliseconds again. My guess is it has to do with the userbase with physical buttons is dwindling so they changed the interval again to better fit the needs of the action listener mechanism of the solid state home buttons.

 

[fisherking]

You claimed customers will not care about this delay even after comparing with the iPhone X and hence this isn’t a big issue. Please do not backtrack
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If Apple is going to fix this eventually, it’s not going to happen any time soon. They have developed a customised iOS 11 just for the iPhone X and that phone is going to come with it’s own huge share of bugs and what with all the margins and unoptimsied apps Apple will take another 6-7 months just fixing the iPhone X. Truly I don’t expect this to be fixed. I will be happy to be proven wrong on this.

i'd be happy if you prove yourself right about any of this (because then the conversation would be over). all your theories and speculation remain just that... theories and speculation.
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See there are people who didn’t notice the 3D Touch stutter on this forum when it was so apparent so that means that problem doesn’t need an immediate fix by your logic.This phone is responding slower to input than a mid range Android phone.

Put the iPhone 8 against the X after 2 weeks and it will get demolished by the X and people will notice this. Put it against any Android and you will immediately notice it. Input lag of any type is bad.



Please Post a video of your home button like on the first page. I will point it out to you. There is no “some”. It’s there on every iPhone running iOS 11 I have come across be it work or my own personal phones.

my SE feels exactly the same as it did when i was on ios 10.. maybe some things are a little better. that's my experience, and i stand by it... and i don't spend time telling everyone else that what i experience is what they are experiencing...

 

[Radon87000]

.....because they changed the time horizon interval between presses by a few milliseconds again. My guess is it has to do with the userbase with physical buttons is dwindling so they changed the interval again to better fit the needs of the action listener mechanism of the solid state home buttons.

But my iPhone 6 was also showing instant response on iOS 10 just like my iPhone 7 on iOS 10. The video on the first page shows iPhone 6 on iOS 10 closing apps faster than iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 11. My iPhone 6 is now on iOS 11 and both devices close apps at the same speed now. My iPad Pro 12.9 currently on iOS 10 closes apps faster than both.
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i'd be happy if you prove yourself right about any of this (because then the conversation would be over). all your theories and speculation remain just that... theories and speculation.
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my SE feels exactly the same as it did when i was on ios 10.. maybe some things are a little better. that's my experience, and i stand by it... and i don't spend time telling everyone else that what i experience is what they are experiencing...

http://www.redmondpie.com/ios-11-home-button-delay-issue-shown-on-video-with-no-fix-in-sight/

"I am expecting Apple to issue an incremental update to iOS 11 soon, but until that happens, many users, including yours truly, are still finding niggling bugs with how the platform performs. One of the latest issues to be discovered, which isn’t actually hugely noticeable at first, but is definitely one of those things that you can’t forget about once you notice, is an intermittent delayed response when the Home button on devices running iOS 11 is pressed.

We all know what the Home button on Apple’s devices is predominantly used for. When in an app, or on a secondary Home screen page on the device, a quick tap of the Home button is essentially the “reset” button in the sense that it takes you back to the Home screen the app was launched from or back to the first page on the Home screen if there is no app running. iOS device owners are typically used to this being pretty instant and responsive in the fact that when the Home button is pressed, the system reacts instantaneously and performs the required action. That doesn’t always seem to be the case with iOS 11.

There seems to be a very annoying problem with iOS 11 in the fact that there is sometimes a noticeable delay between the Home button being pressed and the screen actually reacting to what it is meant to do. This may only be a very, very slight delay, but it’s noticeably annoying, and if you are constantly in and out of different applications on a daily basis, then you start to notice it more and more. Worst, it seems to be affecting all kinds of devices, including the likes of iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone 8 series.

It’s one of those niggles that can actually seem inconsequential at first, but the longer it goes without being patched or fixed, and the longer it is being experienced, the more important an issue it becomes. Take a look at the video below for a better understanding of what I’m talking about.

Is it something that you have noticed on your iPhone or iPad running iOS 11 as well? If so, is it on older device or a newer one? I wonder if it’s intentional move by Apple in iOS 11 because of the gesture-based swipe to go back to Home screen in iPhone X?

 

[C DM]

You claimed customers will not care about this delay even after comparing with the iPhone X and hence this isn’t a big issue. Please do not backtrack

Let's at last try not to be disingenuous: the "hence" part and what follows seem to be filled in by others, rather than simply following the context of that discussion:

Apple’s motive is easy to understand. iPhone 8 was Apple’s bastard child they wished they never produced. But due to iPhone X parts shortage and manufacturing issues, they had to release a stop gap product which looks same as 2014 iPhone. Apple may have already abandoned optimisations for iPhone 8. As I said, Home button is legacy and might not see any change in behavior.

Now Apple’s poster boy iPhone X would have to be the best. Since it has no Home button, Apple has to convince the masses that “swipe up to close an app” IS FASTER than pressing Home Button. They have to show a tangible advantage in speed. Hence the deliberate and calculated adjustment to add 1 second delay to close an app.
But Apple apolpogists will continue to do what they do best. Apologise and more apologise. They never have the guts to call out Apple for shady stuff.

If at all Apple fixes this home button lag/delay, many of us will have a smile on their face.

That's some conspiracy that Apple would need to go through for just a tiny something that the vast majority of their customers don't and won't even notice, let alone care about. But, sure, that certainly seems like the likely scenario, similar to it usually being zebras running when one hears hoof beats.

It will become instantly noticeable when these same customers play with iPhone X.

And yet even if that's the case the vast majority of typical customers won't really notice it or care given that many who even read forums here don't, and these aren't even close to typical customers.

 

[fisherking]

But my iPhone 6 was also showing instant response on iOS 10 just like my iPhone 7 on iOS 10. The video on the first page shows iPhone 6 on iOS 10 closing apps faster than iPhone 7 Plus on iOS 11. My iPhone 6 is now on iOS 11 and both devices close apps at the same speed now. My iPad Pro 12.9 currently on iOS 10 closes apps faster than both.
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http://www.redmondpie.com/ios-11-home-button-delay-issue-shown-on-video-with-no-fix-in-sight/

"I am expecting Apple to issue an incremental update to iOS 11 soon, but until that happens, many users, including yours truly, are still finding niggling bugs with how the platform performs. One of the latest issues to be discovered, which isn’t actually hugely noticeable at first, but is definitely one of those things that you can’t forget about once you notice, is an intermittent delayed response when the Home button on devices running iOS 11 is pressed.

We all know what the Home button on Apple’s devices is predominantly used for. When in an app, or on a secondary Home screen page on the device, a quick tap of the Home button is essentially the “reset” button in the sense that it takes you back to the Home screen the app was launched from or back to the first page on the Home screen if there is no app running. iOS device owners are typically used to this being pretty instant and responsive in the fact that when the Home button is pressed, the system reacts instantaneously and performs the required action. That doesn’t always seem to be the case with iOS 11.

There seems to be a very annoying problem with iOS 11 in the fact that there is sometimes a noticeable delay between the Home button being pressed and the screen actually reacting to what it is meant to do. This may only be a very, very slight delay, but it’s noticeably annoying, and if you are constantly in and out of different applications on a daily basis, then you start to notice it more and more. Worst, it seems to be affecting all kinds of devices, including the likes of iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone 8 series.

It’s one of those niggles that can actually seem inconsequential at first, but the longer it goes without being patched or fixed, and the longer it is being experienced, the more important an issue it becomes. Take a look at the video below for a better understanding of what I’m talking about.

Is it something that you have noticed on your iPhone or iPad running iOS 11 as well? If so, is it on older device or a newer one? I wonder if it’s intentional move by Apple in iOS 11 because of the gesture-based swipe to go back to Home screen in iPhone X?

yes, conspiracy theories generally involve a group of people, not just one person. is that your point? because nothing changes my experience with the SE (just like my experience doesn't change yours). that's how life works. and, back to the topic, where is the proof that this is intentional (for those who are experiencing it)?

 

[d5aqoëp]

....You've got an incredibly sad interpretation of reality.

At an Apple WWDC presentation (NOT the keynote) a few years back they discussed home button "lag" (meaning, delays) that they continually tweak, but it's there to discern between a single press and a double press. They were talking about how they changed the timer window for button presses by a few milliseconds.

I'll see if I can dig it up (it was a few years ago), but man have you got a completely ignorant view of what makes physical hardware run.

If this thing Apple discussed was few years back, then you mean to say Apple disregarded their own presentation and removed home button lag for iOS 10? Then one fine day they reviewed their old presentation and thought “Oh me gosh! We haz to introduce ze home button lag”. That’s how the lag was introduced for iOS 11.

So just because I created a topic of Home button issue, I have an “Incredibly sad interpretation of reality” LMAO dude. I couldn’t control my laughter.

 

[Radon87000]

yes, conspiracy theories generally involve a group of people, not just one person. is that your point? because nothing changes my experience with the SE (just like my experience doesn't change yours). that's how life works. and, back to the topic, where is the proof that this is intentional (for those who are experiencing it)?

The point of the article was to show that the home button delay is making headlines everywhere

As I said post a video of YOUR SE like I did for my 7? I will point it out to you. I find it hard to believe iPhone 6s has this lag but SE doesn't. You have probably forgotten how iOS 10 felt like.

Where is the proof? Now it's clear as day. Did Apple factually slow down home button? Yes. Will it be fixed? Likely no. With the X launch looming, Apple's focus is now on the X. If the iPhone 8 and 7 despite having legacy features had so many bugs, I can only imagine the state of the X when it launches so you can now forget about this fix. Maybe in iOS 12.

If Apple slowed down home button and didn't fix it, the conclusion is either Apple no longer cares about devices with home buttons because their entire lineup next year lacks home buttons and hence it just isn't worth the cost to find and fix this OR it's done to show just how much faster the X is at every thing it does compared to 8. Regardless in both scenarios it's intentional. There is no dodging this now.

 

[C DM]

The point of the article was to show that the home button delay is making headlines everywhere

As I said post a video of YOUR SE like I did for my 7? I will point it out to you. I find it hard to believe iPhone 6s has this lag but SE doesn't. You have probably forgotten how iOS 10 felt like.

Where is the proof? Now it's clear as day. Did Apple factually slow down home button? Yes. Will it be fixed? Likely no. With the X launch looming, Apple's focus is now on the X. If the iPhone 8 and 7 despite having legacy features had so many bugs, I can only imagine the state of the X when it launches so you can now forget about this fix. Maybe in iOS 12.

If Apple slowed down home button and didn't fix it, the conclusion is either Apple no longer cares about devices with home buttons because their entire lineup next year lacks home buttons and hence it just isn't worth the cost to find and fix this OR it's done to show just how much faster the X is at every thing it does compared to 8. Regardless in both scenarios it's intentional. There is no dodging this now.

That is some interesting definition of "everywhere". And some interesting logic to something being intentional simply based on two reasons specifically made to fit the desired outcome.

And once again all conveniently ignores what happened with iOS 10, which has been brought up many times.

Basically par for the course, as usual essentially.

 

[Nisaja]

I can’t believe this thread is still going on.

First you guys denied the fact that the home button is slow. Now, since it’s been proven, you guys are trying to justify why they did it. Really? I mean really?

They slowed it down on purpose to make the X look faster. Deal with it. There’s no better explanation. They sped it up with the 7 and 7 Plus, and then they thought “let’s slow it down so the X looks faster than the rest”. They didn’t slow it down by “milliseconds”. They slowed it down by a whole second. Lol.

Stop coming up with excuses like how long it should wait to register a second click and all that BS. They never thought about that when they sped up the 7’s home button after 9 years of making iPhones with slow home buttons? But they thought of it again now? When the 7’s fast home button was one of the reasons people thought it was faster than their 6/6s? One of the main reasons it won so many speed tests? Lol cmon guys!

 

[C DM]

I can’t believe this thread is still going on.

First you guys denied the fact that the home button is slow. Now, since it’s been proven, you guys are trying to justify why they did it. Really? I mean really?

They slowed it down on purpose to make the X look faster. Deal with it. There’s no better explanation. They sped it up with the 7 and 7 Plus, and then they thought “let’s slow it down so the X looks faster than the rest”. They didn’t slow it down by “milliseconds”. They slowed it down by a whole second. Lol.

Stop coming up with excuses like how long it should wait to register a second click and all that BS. They never thought about that when they sped up the 7’s home button after 9 years of making iPhones with slow home buttons? But they thought of it again now? When the 7’s fast home button was one of the reasons people thought it was faster than their 6/6s? One of the main reasons it won so many speed tests? Lol cmon guys!

Of course! When you hear hoofbeats, think zebras, and only zebras. There's no better explanation. Obviously.

 

[Nisaja]

And to the guy who said his SE is fine, the SE never had a fast home button. Only the 7 and 7 Plus had fast home buttons with iOS 10.

 

[C DM]

And to the guy who said his SE is fine, the SE never had a fast home button. Only the 7 and 7 Plus had fast home buttons with iOS 10.

The iOS 10 that supposedly didn't have issues for various people, even with iPhone 7?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-7-ios-10-app-close-animation.1996953/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/10-3-x-deliberate-slow-down.2041133/

 

[Nisaja]

The iOS 10 that supposedly didn't have issues for various people, even with iPhone 7?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-7-ios-10-app-close-animation.1996953/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/10-3-x-deliberate-slow-down.2041133/

The first thread, I know. The wonky animation glitch. They fixed that.

The second thread, yeah every iOS update slows older phones down by a bit. My 7 Plus is slower than it used to be on iOS 10 by milliseconds when launching apps. That’s fine. But when they slow down the home button by a second, that’s taking it too far.

 

[C DM]

The first thread, I know. The wonky animation glitch. They fixed that.

The second thread, yeah every iOS update slows older phones down by a bit. My 7 Plus is slower than it used to be on iOS 10 by milliseconds when launching apps. That’s fine. But when they slow down the home button by a second, that’s taking it too far.

Oh, so next year when we are onto the same conspiracy with the next line of new iPhones it will be "The first thread, I know. The wonky home button glitch. They fixed that."

And as far as updates slowing things down, how does that work when various people that are constantly taking about conspiracies and talked about the same ones in iOS 10 days, are praising iOS 10 and using it as an example of perfection.

It all gets revised or overlooked quite conveniently when needed.

 

[Nisaja]

Oh, so next year when we are onto the same conspiracy with the next line of new iPhones it will be "The first thread, I know. The wonky home button glitch. They fixed that."

And as far as updates slowing things down, how does that work when various people that are constantly taking about conspiracies and talked about the same ones in iOS 10 days, are praising iOS 10 and using it as an example of perfection.

It all gets revised or overlooked quite conveniently when needed.

Because iOS 10 was faster on older iPhones than iOS 11. Just like how iOS 9 was faster than iOS 10 on my old 6s. iOS 8 was faster than iOS 9 on my 6. It’s been going on for ages. Thing is, iOS 8 and 9 were ok. They weren’t full of bugs when they were released to the public and they didn’t slow down my phones (at least mine, because I always restore and set them up as new) by a whole lot. iOS 10 had its fair share of issues. Mainly battery life. It was bad. I’ve posted a lot on the iOS 10 battery life thread. I gave up and bought a 7. Battery life was finally better.

The thing about iOS 11 is that on a 7 or a 7 Plus, the home button is a whole lot slower than before. If I had a 6s, I wouldn’t be complaining because the home button wasn’t fast to begin with. But the 7 had a fast home button. To slow it down on purpose, and by a whole lot? What does that make me think?

 

[C DM]

The thing about iOS 11 is that on a 7 or a 7 Plus, the home button is a whole lot slower than before. If I had a 6s, I wouldn’t be complaining because the home button wasn’t fast to begin with. But the 7 had a fast home button. To slow it down on purpose, and by a whole lot? What does that make me think?

And with iOS 10 some animations were slower and had glitches. To make them slower and have glitches on purpose? What did that make people think? Seems like the same type of things as laid out in earlier threads...yet after all that iOS 10 is praised and used as an example of perfection, often by the very people who has some of those "thoughts" in the early days of iOS 10 with those issues.