Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[JM]

They weren't fixed within a month or so iOS 10, yet that ios 10 is praised and used as an example of perfection. The double talk is just so prevalent that saying that it's silly would just be silly.

Amazing this is still going on! Woo!

Why isn't anyone acknowledging Radeon's valid points, and altering his comment history? If I may, his theory is:

1. iOS is best on the phone it came out with, and
2. Any subsequent iOS version on that device slows it down in perceptible ways.

Did I get that right?

-iphone7 isn't as good with iOS 11 as it was with iOS 10.
-iPhone X will probably handle iOS 11 quite swimmingly.

It's really not much of a stretch to believe that a current iOS on an old device isn't as snappy as it was on the iOS version the phone shipped with.

The fact that iOS releases have problems upon release and need updates to clear them out (stutters, resprings, etc.) is a separate issue, as what can be successfully argued is that the final version of iOS on the device released the same year will be better than the final iOS releases of any subsequent year.

Congratulations for getting through my post heh. it seems kind of long and dense.

 

[I7guy]

Amazing this is still going on! Woo!

Why isn't anyone acknowledging Radeon's valid points, and altering his comment history? If I may, his theory is:

1. iOS is best on the phone it came out with, and
2. Any subsequent iOS version on that device slows it down in perceptible ways.

Did I get that right?

-iphone7 isn't as good with iOS 11 as it was with iOS 10.
-iPhone X will probably handle iOS 11 quite swimmingly.

It's really not much of a stretch to believe that a current iOS on an old device isn't as snappy as it was on the iOS version the phone shipped with.

The fact that iOS releases have problems upon release and need updates to clear them out (stutters, resprings, etc.) is a separate issue, as what can be successfully argued is that the final version of iOS on the device released the same year will be better than the final iOS releases of any subsequent year.

Congratulations for getting through my post heh. it seems kind of long and dense.

My opinion....my 5s is doing swimmingly on ios 11, much better than ios 7. So imo, that isn't a valid point that "ios is best on the phone it came out with".

 

[Nisaja]

The best example was Radeon’s “dead pixel” theory. Just because someone doesn’t notice it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Just because you don’t notice the lag, doesn’t mean it’s not there. You’re just too ignorant to notice, or care.

Again, this problem is only with the 7 and 7 Plus. Every other phone has slow home buttons, so don’t talk about your 6s or your 6 is exactly the same as it was. It is. They were not affected. Only the 7 and 7 Plus had super fast app closing speeds on iOS 10.

To whoever said the iPhone 8 has the same issue, I’m the one who posted the first video of an iPhone 8’s home button lag, many pages back.

Know why? They don’t need to make the home button faster on it because newsflash! It’s not Apple’s flagship device! So it’s just like any other iPhone we have. It’s fast, but not as fast as the flagship device.

Now go ahead and call me a conspiracy theorist for coming up with this. Lol.

 

[Nisaja]

This is different from battery life issues. You won’t get battery life issues if you restore your phone and set it up as new. You always get battery life issues when something gets corrupted on your phone.

The home button lag exists even after restoring and setting up as new. Why? Because that’s how it’s intended to be! It’s way more widespread that you thought. And what does that say? It’s on every iPhone. Everyone is experiencing it, they just don’t care enough to look it up on MR and post on this thread, OR they don’t notice it. Simple as that.

Again, this only applies to iPhone 7s.

 

[Radon87000]

This does not happen on my 6s nor one my 7. No one second wait, no blocking; around 1/4 of a second if not less.

Post a video and prove it. It doesn’t take a second to do. I have posted 2 videos till now yet those denying this lag have yet to do even 1.
[doublepost=1508388670][/doublepost]

What about others who have said one thing only for it to never happen or for them to turn around and not do that thing or do the opposite of it--some of which has been pointed out in this thread? Should they also "might have to totally stop posting on MR" by that logic?

One aspect being disproven doesn’t mean planned obsolescence doesn’t exist. Take battery life for example. The 8 Plus users are getting 13-14 hours of battery life and that’s after 25-30 hours of idle time. I am getting 7-8 hours with 16 hours of idle time. This is a clean install I am talking about with the very basic of apps installed.
[doublepost=1508388779][/doublepost]

My opinion....my 5s is doing swimmingly on ios 11, much better than ios 7. So imo, that isn't a valid point that "ios is best on the phone it came out with".

There is a thread on the iOS section itself calling the iPhone 5s as crap on iOS 11. Even the iPhone 6 is crap on iOS 11. Ars Technica’s scientific benchmarks show the iPhone 5s perform SLOWER on iOS 11. Thanks to that 1GB ram it doesn’t keep anything past 3-4 apps in memory now.

It’s also a model abou to be discontinued. Even Apple knows it just can’t handle iOS 12 and is barely hanging on to iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

Post a video and prove it. It doesn’t take a second to do. I have posted 2 videos till now yet the defenders have yet to do it.
[doublepost=1508388670][/doublepost]
One aspect being disproven doesn’t mean planned obsolescence doesn’t exist. Take battery life for example. The 8 Plus users are getting 13-14 hours of battery life and that’s after 25-30 hours of idle time. I am getting 7-8 hours with 16 hours of idle time. This is a clean install I am talking about with the very basic of apps installed.
[doublepost=1508388779][/doublepost]
There is a thread on the iOS section itself calling the iPhone 5s as crap on iOS 11. Even the iPhone 6 is crap on iOS 11. Ars Technica’s scientific benchmarks show the iPhone 5s perform SLOWER on iOS 11. Thanks to that 1GB ram it doesn’t keep anything past 3-4 apps in memory now.

It’s also a model abou to be discontinued. Even Apple knows it just can’t handle iOS 12 and is barely hanging on to iOS 11.

As usual, we constantly keep on circling back to the same old basics:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

And of course pieces of this and that being disproven takes away validity of pretty much anything else that might be said. All fairly basic as well.

 

[BritishApple]

A girl in my work, who is by no means a techie or into Apple gear in general, came to me this morning and said that after being "harassed to update" she just said yes and updated her iPhone 7 to iOS 11.

Her first comment to me?

"What's happened to my home button, it's far slower than it was before I updated."

That's a non techie, non forum dwelling, average, every day person with an iPhone.

If a user like her can see it, someone who in the past has told me she couldn't see UI lag on her updated 4S vs my brand new 5S (back in the day), then ...

 

[Radon87000]

Yes those update prompts are intrusive and annoying. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 downloaded the iOS 11 update 3 times in the background without notifying me and every time that "Schedule iOS 11 update dialog popped up" and every time I went into settings to delete the update files. I almost clicked on Install once the way it pops up while just web browsing or doing any activity. Its so intrusive that if you leave the tablet on and go to do some other work and by misfortune that dialog pops up, it will install the update automatically on a timer, that's how forceful Apple is. Now I live with that permanent red badge on settings. There is no "Never download updates again" option. I am not ruining my ProMotion experience with stuttering and my 2 day battery life with constant use. Those stutters bother me so much I don't even care about those iPad features of iOS 11.

There are reports the iPad Pro 12.9 runs smooth now on iOS 11.1 beta but I just don't want to risk it as its a one way journey and the iPad is my escape into bliss after using iOS 11 on my iPhone. Using a ProMotion iPad on iOS 10 after a day of using iOS 11 on iPhone 7 is like staying at a 5 star hotel after a day of hard work.

 

[JM]

My opinion....my 5s is doing swimmingly on ios 11, much better than ios 7. So imo, that isn't a valid point that "ios is best on the phone it came out with".

How though? My 5s on iOS 10.3.3 was slower to open maps and messages (right off the top of my head), and it took FOREVER to pull a notification down from the top of the screen to reply to a message. If I wanted to send a text from my photos, it also took FOREVER compared to 8 and 9 to pull up messages form.

5s on 10.3.3 was slower all around to pull up apps compared to 5s on 9.x.x.
[doublepost=1508412775][/doublepost]

The best example was Radeon’s “dead pixel” theory. Just because someone doesn’t notice it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Just because you don’t notice the lag, doesn’t mean it’s not there. You’re just too ignorant to notice, or care.

Again, this problem is only with the 7 and 7 Plus. Every other phone has slow home buttons, so don’t talk about your 6s or your 6 is exactly the same as it was. It is. They were not affected. Only the 7 and 7 Plus had super fast app closing speeds on iOS 10.

To whoever said the iPhone 8 has the same issue, I’m the one who posted the first video of an iPhone 8’s home button lag, many pages back.

Know why? They don’t need to make the home button faster on it because newsflash! It’s not Apple’s flagship device! So it’s just like any other iPhone we have. It’s fast, but not as fast as the flagship device.

Now go ahead and call me a conspiracy theorist for coming up with this. Lol.

Okay, you asked for it, conspiracy theorist.

 

[I7guy]

Post a video and prove it. It doesn’t take a second to do. I have posted 2 videos till now yet those denying this lag have yet to do even 1.
[doublepost=1508388670][/doublepost]
One aspect being disproven doesn’t mean planned obsolescence doesn’t exist. Take battery life for example. The 8 Plus users are getting 13-14 hours of battery life and that’s after 25-30 hours of idle time. I am getting 7-8 hours with 16 hours of idle time. This is a clean install I am talking about with the very basic of apps installed.
[doublepost=1508388779][/doublepost]
There is a thread on the iOS section itself calling the iPhone 5s as crap on iOS 11. Even the iPhone 6 is crap on iOS 11. Ars Technica’s scientific benchmarks show the iPhone 5s perform SLOWER on iOS 11. Thanks to that 1GB ram it doesn’t keep anything past 3-4 apps in memory now.

It’s also a model abou to be discontinued. Even Apple knows it just can’t handle iOS 12 and is barely hanging on to iOS 11.

@C DM slready said most of what I would say. I’m not posting any videos, you can continue to believe what you want. I can’t believe how fast my two 5s are on iOS 11. And no, I’m not posting a video to prove it.

 

[Radon87000]

@C DM slready said most of what I would say. I’m not posting any videos, you can continue to believe what you want. I can’t believe how fast my two 5s are on iOS 11. And no, I’m not posting a video to prove it.

Okay then no proof to counter my point.
[doublepost=1508413254][/doublepost]

How though? My 5s on iOS 10.3.3 was slower to open maps and messages (right off the top of my head), and it took FOREVER to pull a notification down from the top of the screen to reply to a message. If I wanted to send a text from my photos, it also took FOREVER compared to 8 and 9 to pull up messages form.

5s on 10.3.3 was slower all around to pull up apps compared to 5s on 9.x.x.
[doublepost=1508412775][/doublepost]
Okay, you asked for it, conspiracy theorist.

i7Guy finds an iPad 2 perfectly usable on iOS 9 and says its as fast as can be. Think about that for a second.

 

[JM]

A girl in my work, who is by no means a techie or into Apple gear in general, came to me this morning and said that after being "harassed to update" she just said yes and updated her iPhone 7 to iOS 11.

Her first comment to me?

"What's happened to my home button, it's far slower than it was before I updated."

That's a non techie, non forum dwelling, average, every day person with an iPhone.

If a user like her can see it, someone who in the past has told me she couldn't see UI lag on her updated 4S vs my brand new 5S (back in the day), then ...

... she's dumb. Obviously.

/s
[doublepost=1508413383][/doublepost]

Yes those update prompts are intrusive and annoying. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 downloaded the iOS 11 update 3 times in the background without notifying me and every time that "Schedule iOS 11 update dialog popped up" and every time I went into settings to delete the update files. I almost clicked on Install once the way it pops up while just web browsing or doing any activity. Its so intrusive that if you leave the tablet on and go to do some other work and by misfortune that dialog pops up, it will install the update automatically on a timer, that's how forceful Apple is. Now I live with that permanent red badge on settings. There is no "Never download updates again" option. I am not ruining my ProMotion experience with stuttering and my 2 day battery life with constant use. Those stutters bother me so much I don't even care about those iPad features of iOS 11.

There are reports the iPad Pro 12.9 runs smooth now on iOS 11.1 beta but I just don't want to risk it as its a one way journey and the iPad is my escape into bliss after using iOS 11 on my iPhone. Using a ProMotion iPad on iOS 10 after a day of using iOS 11 on iPhone 7 is like staying at a 5 star hotel after a day of hard work.

Staying on 10.3.3 on i7, myself. Woot woot.
[doublepost=1508413626][/doublepost]

@C DM slready said most of what I would say. I’m not posting any videos, you can continue to believe what you want. I can’t believe how fast my two 5s are on iOS 11. And no, I’m not posting a video to prove it.

You must have gotten those special Samsung chips with that special "do not slow down" code directly from Apple. Lucky.

Really wish we could sit down and see your 5s' operate. It's hard to believe that they run better than they did on iOS 9.x.x.
"Fast" is subjective. Are you saying faster than 9.x.x?

 

[Radon87000]

... she's dumb. Obviously.

/s
[doublepost=1508413383][/doublepost]
Staying on 10.3.3 on i7, myself. Woot woot.
[doublepost=1508413626][/doublepost]
You must have gotten those special Samsung chips with that special "do not slow down" code directly from Apple. Lucky.

Really wish we could sit down and see your 5s' operate. It's hard to believe that they run better than they did on iOS 9.x.x.
"Fast" is subjective. Are you saying faster than 9.x.x?

He is saying the 5s is faster on iOS 11 than iOS 7 let alone iOS 9.

 

[JM]

Okay then no proof to counter my point.
[doublepost=1508413254][/doublepost]
i7Guy finds an iPad 2 perfectly usable on iOS 9 and says its as fast as can be. Think about that for a second.

Wait wait... no.

No no no no no.....

I have an iPad 2 at home on 9.x.x. It is NOT "fast". Nor has it always worked this poorly (stutters, length to open apps, keyboard lag). I got it with 7.0.3 or something from parents who didn't want it anymore. I updated to 9 to use Netflix and other streaming apps (had to), and it was not as good. Wish I had video

If it shipped with 6, I'm fairly certain that it ran 6 waaaaaaay better than 7-9.

 

[I7guy]

... she's dumb. Obviously.

/s
[doublepost=1508413383][/doublepost]
Staying on 10.3.3 on i7, myself. Woot woot.
[doublepost=1508413626][/doublepost]
You must have gotten those special Samsung chips with that special "do not slow down" code directly from Apple. Lucky.

Really wish we could sit down and see your 5s' operate. It's hard to believe that they run better than they did on iOS 9.x.x.
"Fast" is subjective. Are you saying faster than 9.x.x?

I said better than iOS 7 on par with iOS 10. Or, alternatively rather than a Samsung chip based on the phones hardware and apps different 5s run differently.
[doublepost=1508415381][/doublepost]

Okay then no proof to counter my point.
[doublepost=1508413254][/doublepost]
i7Guy finds an iPad 2 perfectly usable on iOS 9 and says its as fast as can be. Think about that for a second.

Nope. No videos. No need to when others are saying the same as me. Yep my iPad 2 runs acceptably. That’s my benchmark for the iPad where I don’t carry it in my back pocket during the day. But who are you to judge?

 

[JM]

I said better than iOS 7 on par with iOS 10. Or, alternatively rather than a Samsung chip based on the phones hardware and apps different 5s run differently.
[doublepost=1508415381][/doublepost]
Nope. No videos. No need to when others are saying the same as me. Yep my iPad 2 runs acceptably. That’s my benchmark for the iPad where I don’t carry it in my back pocket during the day. But who are you to judge?

Interrrrrressting. Thanks

Moving around iOS 10 on 5s was indeed smooth, it just took longer to open apps. THATS my gripe... NC opened fine, keyboard didn't really hang up. (From what I can remember)

But iPad 2.... dude, iOS 9 is laggy and no way as good as it was in past. Come on. I only put up with it cause I was given it for free. "Acceptable" is a good term.

 

[Radon87000]

I said better than iOS 7 on par with iOS 10. Or, alternatively rather than a Samsung chip based on the phones hardware and apps different 5s run differently.
[doublepost=1508415381][/doublepost]
Nope. No videos. No need to when others are saying the same as me. Yep my iPad 2 runs acceptably. That’s my benchmark for the iPad where I don’t carry it in my back pocket during the day. But who are you to judge?

I can say my iPhone 7 is slower than a iPhone 4. Without some proof, its just that. A statement with no foothold. You said your iPhone 7 has no home button delay and posted no evidence for this. So did some others like Fisherking although we have Feenician and NT1440 admitting it exists. Feenician even said it wont be fixed. I posted 2 videos and a news article, while I got nothing but blank staements in return.

 

[I7guy]

I can say my iPhone 7 is slower than a iPhone 4. Without some proof, its just that. A statement with no foothold. You said your iPhone 7 has no home button delay and posted no evidence for this. So did some others like Fisherking although we have Feenician and NT1440 admitting it exists. Feenician even said it wont be fixed. I posted 2 videos and a news article, while I got nothing but blank staements in return.

You can say anything thing you want and claim anything you want. Your posts are benchmarked against the universe to see if wet finger in the air, they hold water. It might be true your iPhone 7 is slower than your iPhone 4 and advice there is to exchange your iPhone 7. You don’t have to provide proof although your claim seems far-fetched.

My claim is in-line with what other people are saying, so you can choose to believe it or not. I don’t care either way and I believe you that YOUR specific anecdotal devices have issues not representative of the rest of us.

 

[Radon87000]

You can say anything thing you want and claim anything you want. Your posts are benchmarked against the universe to see if wet finger in the air, they hold water. It might be true your iPhone 7 is slower than your iPhone 4 and advice there is to exchange your iPhone 7. You don’t have to provide proof although your claim seems far-fetched.

My claim is in-line with what other people are saying, so you can choose to believe it or not. I don’t care either way and I believe you that YOUR specific anecdotal devices have issues not representative of the rest of us.

In the absence of visual proof, The conclusion from this is the issue is there on the device and is not being experienced by you. I don't need to get my 7 exchanged because I saw the delay resolved on iOS 10 so the only solution is a software update.
[doublepost=1508430584][/doublepost]Anyway guys I am almost certain I am trading in my 7 Plus for the X come next Friday. Home button delays, random stuttering, battery drains have just made it an annoying phone for me. I know the X is a smaller size but I am thinking my large iPad can make up for that. I was set on the Pixel but all the negativity surrounding it on Android sites has put me off it. So hope you guys get the delay resolved and if not, just sell it off and get a newer device. Apple's software support has started to become degrading on older devices.

 

[I7guy]

In the absence of visual proof, The conclusion from this is the issue is there on the device and is not being experienced by you. I don't need to get my 7 exchanged because I saw the delay resolved on iOS 10 so the only solution is a software update.

You are free to believe anything you want just like I believe your issues are confined to you and some others and the universe does not experience these issues. So round and round we go.

 

[oOMezzaOo]

Issue seems improved on my 7 plus in the latest beta of iOS 11.1

Can anyone else test and confirm that what I am seeing it correct?


Edit - nvm, I think it's the same.

 

[atlchamp]

Issue seems improved on my 7 plus in the latest beta of iOS 11.1

Can anyone else test and confirm that what I am seeing it correct?

Probably a placebo

 

[FunkyTang]

Yes those update prompts are intrusive and annoying. My iPad Pro on iOS 10 downloaded the iOS 11 update 3 times in the background without notifying me and every time that "Schedule iOS 11 update dialog popped up" and every time I went into settings to delete the update files. I almost clicked on Install once the way it pops up while just web browsing or doing any activity. Its so intrusive that if you leave the tablet on and go to do some other work and by misfortune that dialog pops up, it will install the update automatically on a timer, that's how forceful Apple is. Now I live with that permanent red badge on settings. There is no "Never download updates again" option. I am not ruining my ProMotion experience with stuttering and my 2 day battery life with constant use. Those stutters bother me so much I don't even care about those iPad features of iOS 11.

There are reports the iPad Pro 12.9 runs smooth now on iOS 11.1 beta but I just don't want to risk it as its a one way journey and the iPad is my escape into bliss after using iOS 11 on my iPhone. Using a ProMotion iPad on iOS 10 after a day of using iOS 11 on iPhone 7 is like staying at a 5 star hotel after a day of hard work.

It would be nice if we had a switch to turn off auto OS updates/downloads.

 

[Radon87000]

Issue seems improved on my 7 plus in the latest beta of iOS 11.1

Can anyone else test and confirm that what I am seeing it correct?

Just tested. Its the exact same as Beta 3. No improvement just as expected.

 

[FunkyTang]

In the absence of visual proof, The conclusion from this is the issue is there on the device and is not being experienced by you. I don't need to get my 7 exchanged because I saw the delay resolved on iOS 10 so the only solution is a software update.
[doublepost=1508430584][/doublepost]Anyway guys I am almost certain I am trading in my 7 Plus for the X come next Friday. Home button delays, random stuttering, battery drains have just made it an annoying phone for me. I know the X is a smaller size but I am thinking my large iPad can make up for that. I was set on the Pixel but all the negativity surrounding it on Android sites has put me off it. So hope you guys get the delay resolved and if not, just sell it off and get a newer device. Apple's software support has started to become degrading on older devices.

I'm going to try an get a X that's why I kept my 7 at 10.3.3.

Last year I updated my 6s to 10.0 and saw the dark camera bug and went back to 9.3.5 since I could, while waiting for my 7 to arrive.