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BritishApple

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It’s a .0 release, the home button delay is real, there’s also slight input lag around the UX, and my 7 *feels* slower to use. There’s also a mild “jump” at the end of 3D Touch animations, yeah it’s a small thing but I notice it and don’t want to tolerate it. I’ll wait for 11.1 or 11.2 until I stay on iOS 11.
 

Radon87000

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The animation in iOS 10 is dog slow compared to “Reduce motion”. I find it hilarious that people whine about the animation now being 10% more slow, when it already was very slow. Activate “reduce motion” and you don’t get any of that.
Regardless the home button delay is still there even with reduce motion. The overall phone still feels slower to use
 

Shirasaki

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So you are finally agreeing that even you are seeing the lag which everyone is seeing and want it fixed! :)
I doubt he actually agrees your point. Instead, I would argue he is referring to the bug that “default” click speed is not fast enough until changing from “default” to “slowest” and back to “default”.

For me, whether I notice or not I don’t care. But it is fun to watch everyone is debating on this cosmetic issue.
 

Shirasaki

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Who even has these animations enabled? Everyone I know have enabled "reduce motion" in settings.
Hmm, Apple can surely introduce the same lag even when “reduced motion” is on, because it reduces the motion, not the lag.
I just read through the entire thread and yep, there is a lag when closing apps. It's only on the iPhone 7 and 7 plus. NOT on any other phone.

I repeat. It's ONLY on the 7 and 7 Plus.

Anyone who can't notice it (on a 7), simply aren't paying enough attention, or are really stupid. Period.

What happened is, on iOS 10, the iPhone 7 would close apps at the exact moment you press the home button. Never did that on previous iPhones. There was always a half a second delay when closing apps. Maybe the 7 was sped up intentionally to make us ditch our 6s' and upgrade. But now with iOS 11, it's back to being a 6s. Meaning it takes half a second to register the "click" and then close the app. That is the problem here. That extra 0.2 of a second.

Shown throughout this video. And this is iOS 11 GM. Not gonna get any better than this.



I've also noticed that with older iPhones, closing apps is actually a little faster on iOS 11. Not always, but sometimes.

Shown here with an iPhone 5s

So there you have it. PROOF that it purposely slows down the 7 and 7 Plus when closing apps.
Actually, app opening speed and closing speed in iOS 11 b10 are both slower than iOS 10.3.3.
 

eyeseeyou

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Stop using a second as a metric of measurement. It clearly doesn’t take 2 seconds to launch and close an app.
 

Saturn007

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Sidebar: "planned obsolescence" is an often misused phrase. From what I've read, it largely arose due to automakers in the 1950s and 1960s who wanted people to buy new cars more often. The "obsolence" did NOT refer to somehow making the older cars run more poorly, but introducing new features, new designs (tail fins!), new colors, etc. to appeal to consumers to get the "latest and greatest" and "Keep up with the Joneses".

The old cars were still fine; the automakers wanted to tantalize the masses with "new and improved" models. That fits Apple's sometimes irritating habit of incrementalism, holding back on features until next year's model. Too much of that, though, as happened with the iPad Mini, undermines sales and cuts into upgrades.

The phrase of late, however, has been loosed from its original moorings to encompass conspiracy-like definitions that involve corporations deliberately building in short life, wantonly using parts that readily wear out, malevolently designing in long-term breakdowns, etc., all so that people will be forced to be their newer models. Even when not done deliberately, the use of outsourcing without adequate standards, employing cheaper parts to keep sticker prices low, neglecting quality control or not doing it as well as before, etc. can happen as a structural, profit-seeking endeavor rather than necessarily deliberate outright "planned obsolescence".

Typically, Apple's new OSs bring with them charges of p.o., especially as they often run more slowly on older or, rather, much older models. But that's overall performance -- until this thread, I'd never seen anyone claim that the slowdown of a rarely used action -- or, one that only some users even use -- and that happens on only a couple of last year's models -- is planned obsolescence or deliberate malfeasance!
 
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Radon87000

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I noticed the stutters in the same place they been since ios9, like in the cellular menu. Otherwise pretty much great. Share sheet, works like a champ. However I’m sure iOS 11 will be perfect for you in June.
Share sheet does not lag. I said open the share sheet. Go to home and reopen the app. The zoom in animation lags.

Whats the point correcting it a year later when everyone is on the newer phone which didn't have the issue from the beginning. I have the lag NOW. I have to tolerate it till whenever I get my new phone.

Not sure what you are trying to imply about the app switcher guesture. I liked it, but there are other means to accomplish the same end.
Removal of the gestures and taptic feedback is planned obsolescence. They removed both the gestures and taptic feedback because they wanted to make both exclusive to the X. The X has the gesture for app switcher which is why they removed it from 7 and 8.

I’m sure Apple knows what’s posted where, doesn’t mean these all of these posts go on the requirements list.

Don't they have anything better to do than just surfing websites without doing anything?
 

AsherN

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How many times does this have to be explained. How do people like this survive to adulthood?

It is a BUG where the animation to close an app does not start until the time to see if it's a double click happens.

Simple proof:

Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> Home Button -> Click Speed

Set it to default and press the home button. Note there is indeed a short delay.

Set it to Slowest and note the delay is much longer.

Set it back to Default and note the delay is reduced again.

It is a simple bug

What you describe is not a bug. In the software world, it is referred to as "working as designed". You have a button that does different tasks depending on if it's single or double clicked. The software has to respect the delay that you set to determine what action was taken. Mouse clicks work the same way. They are less noticeable because they are usually set faster.
 

Feenician

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What you describe is not a bug. In the software world, it is referred to as "working as designed". You have a button that does different tasks depending on if it's single or double clicked. The software has to respect the delay that you set to determine what action was taken. Mouse clicks work the same way. They are less noticeable because they are usually set faster.

To prevent wasting my time, read the thread.
 

I7guy

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Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Share sheet does not lag. I said open the share sheet. Go to home and reopen the app. The zoom in animation lags.
My 6s doesn't seem to have this issue. I just tried this on Safari. Smooth as silk.

Whats the point correcting it a year later when everyone is on the newer phone which didn't have the issue from the beginning. I have the lag NOW. I have to tolerate it till whenever I get my new phone.
Hey, you know the drill, you have been around the block.

Removal of the gestures and taptic feedback is planned obsolescence. They removed both the gestures and taptic feedback because they wanted to make both exclusive to the X. The X has the gesture for app switcher which is why they removed it from 7 and 8.
Well okay then, buy a new phone because of it. This old meme hasn't yet run it's course.

Don't they have anything better to do than just surfing websites without doing anything?
Right, none of apples 60,000 employees do anything.
 

scjr

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As soon as we get to 11.x.x, iOS 11 will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Then iOS 12 will become the new scourge of all older iPhones. :D
 

avtella

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I find the delay quite noticeable too compared to 10.3.3, however I doubt it's out of malice, probably will be fixed in a .x update. In the mean time reduced motion allows me to avoid that annoyance :).
 

Nisaja

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Reduce motion doesn't make the phone any faster. It just turns off animations. The apps will stay unresponsive for approximately 1 second after opening them (that's how long the animation takes).
 
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