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'Apple Intelligence' Personal AI Unveiled for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

TheWraith said:
Just saying...it's not. Unless we hear they are screenshotting everything and then not encrypting anything, which we won't, it's nothing like Recall. Man, I wish people would READ and THINK before commenting.
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Its recall. They are indexing files on the system. How are they able to pull your driver's license information from a photo you took to fill a form on a web page in safari?
11:12 amApple Intelligence is grounded in your personal information, accessing data from around your apps and what's on your screen. Suppose a meeting is being rescheduled for the afternoon, and I'm wondering if it's going to prevent me from getting to my daughter's performance on time. It can understand who my daughter is, the details she emailed several days ago, the schedule of my meeting, and the traffic between my office and the theater.

11:22 amIncludes a semantic index of photos, calendar events, and files. Includes things like concert tickets, links your friends have shared, and more.

Recall is meant to be encrypted and run on device, but the feature is similar. How safe it is on release is a different conversation when security researchers are able to get hands on it. I wish people would stop being fanatics and see things as they are.
Iconoclysm said:
You see an AI integrated between a cloud platform, an OS, apps, and more and you don't see where this is different?
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Android ecosystem has been doing just that for some times now. Look at Google Pixel for example with Gemini nano AI models that runs on android devices.

Iconoclysm said:
Microsoft can't even integrate disparate Co-Pilots yet.
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Windows Copilot+ PC is a collaboration between Microsoft and silicon makers to create a tightly integrated experience to enable AI models on device. You want disparate models that are good at different tasks if you want to do on device processing. It is no different from what Apple is doing.
 
I do not care however many assurances Apple will give me, I do not want an AI model with access to my personal information going into Apple’s cloud to ask questions. And that’s final.

Can I disable this? If no, I will refuse to update. Should they do so against my wishes regardless, I will sell my devices. If I can.
 
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Apple used to be a visionary company
now they are behind any chatbot out there
why they even need to keep siri?
 
High IQ Person said:
For the 1000 time, chip design does not matter. It is Apple fake marketing. Chip fabrication is everything. This is why Apple refused to release their own Mac chips until TSMC was ahead of Intel. Prior to that, they didn’t want to do it because being a node behind means they will never beat intel’s chips.
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Do you know that the fabrication processes that TSMC and others use isn't even created by those companies? Do you know that an Intel processor with the same number of nodes would be outperformed by Apple Silicon and still be more power hungry? You seem to be under the very, very mistaken impression that Apple is just a bunch of middle-management ordering parts and slapping Apple's logo on the packages... And because you're so, so far off base, it's almost impossible for anyone to even discuss any of this with you beyond laughing - it would take far too much energy to even get you to look at reality.
 
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Surely this will come to older devices via a cloud-based version in later betas? The ChatPGT app works across a wide range of devices with cloud processing....
 
High IQ Person said:
Apple “Intelligence” my butt. Apple trying to pretend they did the hard, intellectual work when this is just a repackaged ChatGPT program. It’s the same shenanigans they pulled with Apple Silicon where they tried to pretend their “designs” are the reasons their chips performed well when chip design is insignificant and about as hard intellectually as ordering pizza.

Stop taking credit for other company’s inventions!
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Bwhahahhahahahah omg, this place never fails to disappoint.
 
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2Xtreme21 said:
Yet the M1 with 11 TOPS and M2 with the same 15.8 TOPS as the A15 is just fine somehow? The 2GB of less RAM would make very little difference as the neural engine is the chip doing the vast majority of the processing.
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The issue is, you have to keep the models in RAM, otherwise performance will tank considerably.

Large Language Models usually work with tens of GB of RAM. It's a miracle Apple Intelligence works with only 8 GB of RAM at all.
 
Iconoclysm said:
Do you know that the fabrication processes that TSMC and others use isn't even created by those companies? Do you know that an Intel processor with the same number of nodes would be outperformed by Apple Silicon and still be more power hungry? You seem to be under the very, very mistaken impression that Apple is just a bunch of middle-management ordering parts and slapping Apple's logo on the packages... And because you're so, so far off base, it's almost impossible for anyone to even discuss any of this with you beyond laughing - it would take far too much energy to even get you to look at reality.
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LMFAO…
Of course it’s created by those companies. That’s literally their job. They may work with thousands of suppliers that handle certain parts of their process, but what they do with the output in each step is a trade-secret.
 
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chfilm said:
Actually had the same question. But you know what, it will stay dumb as it is until they come out with a new more powerful HomePod maybe already at the iPhone event or later, which will feature the new Siri. 100%.
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"HomePod Pro", surely!
 
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MilaM said:
The issue is, you have to keep the models in RAM, otherwise performance will tank considerably.

Large Language Models usually work with tens of GB of RAM. It's a miracle Apple Intelligence works with only 8 GB of RAM at all.
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Plus, Apple play games with their TOPS numbers- you can't compare all of their numbers as you would expect, as they're calculated differently.
 
SMH4KIDIOT said:
Its recall. They are indexing files on the system. How are they able to pull your driver's license information from a photo you took to fill a form on a web page in safari?
11:12 amApple Intelligence is grounded in your personal information, accessing data from around your apps and what's on your screen. Suppose a meeting is being rescheduled for the afternoon, and I'm wondering if it's going to prevent me from getting to my daughter's performance on time. It can understand who my daughter is, the details she emailed several days ago, the schedule of my meeting, and the traffic between my office and the theater.

11:22 amIncludes a semantic index of photos, calendar events, and files. Includes things like concert tickets, links your friends have shared, and more.

Recall is meant to be encrypted and run on device, but the feature is similar. How safe it is on release is a different conversation when security researchers are able to get hands on it. I wish people would stop being fanatics and see things as they are.

Android ecosystem has been doing just that for some times now. Look at Google Pixel for example with Gemini nano AI models that runs on android devices.



Windows Copilot+ PC is a collaboration between Microsoft and silicon makers to create a tightly integrated experience to enable AI models on device. You want disparate models that are good at different tasks if you want to do on device processing. It is no different from what Apple is doing.
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First, it's not Recall. It's right there in the name. Recall is taking constant snapshots of what is ON SCREEN in addition to all of that. This is what the big fuss is about, it's not just accessing stored data, it's accessing anything and everything that was visually displayed. The rest of this is done with Co-Pilot already.

Android is the only OS involved in that Gemini integration - and Gemini has not been around for long enough for anyone to even call it "some time now". What you saw today would be if Gemini was also built into Windows. Google is definitely part of the way to this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not even called Gemini this time next year.

Windows Co-Pilot is just one piece. There's also M365 Co-Pilot. The two do not even work together, and yes that is the distinct difference between these two. And no, Windows Co-Pilot isn't even what you claim here, you're talking about Co-Pilot Plus only.
 
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brofkand said:
It's literally a carbon copy of what Google and Microsoft have had for years now. Wow. The good times at Apple are over for good. They have no more ideas.
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I haven't seen a Googlized phone that does what Apple Intelligence can do. Apple has taken AI to a new level. The wiz kids at Google be like 🫣.
 
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srknpower said:
Even iPhone 15 is obsolete. :(
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No worries. A lot of this technology is in it‘s infancy. Just wait for the iPhone 18 at least and a lot of the so far unseen kinks will be ironed out and features will have evolved to actually being useful. And some of them will probably need an A20 processor anyway. It‘s Apple, so like the Shortcuts APP, Siri and 1st gen OSs, a lot of obvious features will be missing because they either didn‘t find the time to implement them or they are clashing with their philosophy. Interesting times, but definitely early adopter‘s times as well.
 
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