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Yet the M1 with 11 TOPS and M2 with the same 15.8 TOPS as the A15 is just fine somehow? The 2GB of less RAM would make very little difference as the neural engine is the chip doing the vast majority of the processing.
2GB makes all the difference in running on device models depending on how large the models are. I'm not an Apple fanatic if my posts in this very thread says anything but I do run various AI models locally on device just an enthusiast not in a professional capacity and RAM is 1 big factor in determining how well a model operates.
 
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2GB makes all the difference in running on device models depending on how large the models are. I'm not an Apple fanatic if my posts in this very thread says anything but I do run various AI models locally on device just an enthusiast not in a professional capacity and RAM is 1 big factor in determining how well a model operates.

No doubt. As Kuo said iPhones need more ram. We won’t see a supercycle of upgrades this year. This is stop gap stuff we saw today to buy more time.
 
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For the 1000 time, chip design does not matter. It is Apple fake marketing. Chip fabrication is everything. This is why Apple refused to release their own Mac chips until TSMC was ahead of Intel. Prior to that, they didn’t want to do it because being a node behind means they will never beat intel’s chips.
NVIDIA produces with TSMC as well. Because Chip Design is soooooo easy they are a Trillion Dollar Company, owning the AI Compute market. Makes Sense. Yup. Totally.
 
Private cloud on Apple Silicon servers? Does this mean there is hope for Apple getting back into the server market? Tim, here are some organs I don't need. Liver, kidney, lung.

1st in line for the new Apple Silicon servers!
What would you use them for? Apple doesn’t have a server OS or middleware anymore.
 
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Because Recall was easily hacked and is now being backtracked.
I love that researchers were able to hack it so now Microsoft knows how to better secure it. I don't see anything being backtracked. No such thing as perfect security. I can't wait for researchers to get hands on iOS 18 to see how secure it is.
 
No doubt. As Kuo said iPhones need more ram. We won’t see a supercycle of upgrades this year. This is stop gap stuff we saw today to buy more time.
But haven't I been reading all the time on this forum that 8 GB is enough for everyone?
 
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NVIDIA produces with TSMC as well. Because Chip Design is soooooo easy they are a Trillion Dollar Company, owning the AI Compute market. Makes Sense. Yup. Totally.
Nvidia is a good salesman. The more popular you are, the more you can sell and get priority with capacity and quotes.

TSMC is the real genius. Nvidia isn’t doing anything except being a good salesman.

Apple and I guess Nvidia now are good at booking TSMC capacity and blocking out competitors from getting access to the latest nodes. There isn’t any engineering secret with what Nvidia or Apple is doing.

What Apple should be concerned about is if this AI hype is real and Nvidia can start driving higher volumes than Apple. TSMC will start prioritizing Nvidia over Apple, meaning Nvidia can start making better chips than Apple due to gaining access to the best nodes first. Nvidia cpu/SOC might be a real possibility in the future.
 
This is OpenAI's announcement which includes GPT 4o. Some of you may have seen what 4o live voice and live video analysis without latency can do. Its changing everything, the way we live and the world as we know it. I wonder whether voice and video capabilities of 4o will be a part of iOS / MacOS in autumn.
 

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As I understand it, Apple HAS built their own LLM that runs on device. AND, given the nature of what they are developing, an LLM that is context aware, that know's your details, it's critical to keep this process on device and as secure as possible.
 
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I love that researchers were able to hack it so now Microsoft knows how to better secure it. I don't see anything being backtracked. No such thing as perfect security. I can't wait for researchers to get hands on iOS 18 to see how secure it is.
This wasn't even a matter of Windows being secure or not, it was what Recall was doing that made it especially egregious.
 
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I haven't seen a Googlized phone that does what Apple Intelligence can do. Apple has taken AI to a new level. The wiz kids at Google be like 🫣.
What? Almost all features that run on-device (I think actually all) are an adaption of the features running on-device on S24 series. And next week you will say Apple started the AI ear on smartphones!
 
As I understand it, Apple HAS built their own LLM that runs on device. AND, given the nature of what they are developing, an LLM that is context aware, that know's your details, it's critical to keep this process on device and as secure as possible.

I understood it as bs til Apple launches new iPhones with more ram.
 
2GB makes all the difference in running on device models depending on how large the models are. I'm not an Apple fanatic if my posts in this very thread says anything but I do run various AI models locally on device just an enthusiast not in a professional capacity and RAM is 1 big factor in determining how well a model operates.
Maybe so. But Apple should be able to use a smaller model for the older devices like 14 pro.
 
On-screen intelligence is like Recall but I doubt people will attack Apple as much for it
Of course it is. But Apple is not putting this in an unencrypted file that anything can access (to Microsoft’s credit, they did change that).
The default Apple Intelligence is in-house, no?
Yeah, correct. Anything on device is Apple. In the cloud, ChatGPT
iPhone 15 Pro exclusive is such a joke. I didn’t get whether it’s just the on-device processing or whether it’s Apple Intelligence overall. If it’s the latter that really sucks. iPhone 15 obsolete already, lol.
That’s a very good question. Like even the new mail features? Priority Features for notifications? The call recording? The new Siri? I guess we’ll have to wait for the YouTubers to come and answer these questions.

Also… Apple HAS changed their mind before and allowed other devices.
Apple has been building neural network features into the chips for years. This is a software-enforced requirement like Siri on the iPhone 4s back in the day.
That’s true.
Just put the ChatGPT app on your iPhone 14 Pro.
Which brings a question. Does Siri have ChatGPT built in…
It's not free - it requires you to buy Apple's hardware and subscribe to their cloud services.
I didn’t see the cloud subscription requirement but yes Apple has long bundled their software features in with their hardware prices… which is where the Apple Tax, in part, comes from.
 
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Nvidia is a good salesman. The more popular you are, the more you can sell and get priority with capacity and quotes.

TSMC is the real genius. Nvidia isn’t doing anything except being a good salesman.

Apple and I guess Nvidia now are good at booking TSMC capacity and blocking out competitors from getting access to the latest nodes. There isn’t any engineering secret with what Nvidia or Apple is doing.

What Apple should be concerned about is if this AI hype is real and Nvidia can start driving higher volumes than Apple. TSMC will start prioritizing Nvidia over Apple, meaning Nvidia can start making better chips than Apple due to gaining access to the best nodes first. Nvidia cpu/SOC might be a real possibility in the future.
Probably taking the bait here, but TSMC has customers including AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm (Snapdragon).

It's true that their 3nm process is unique (made possible by ASML), but that does not mean you can just give them a wishlist of requirements and say "btw just bake it at 3nm". You need to provide them with a chip design and work with them to make it possible.
 
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So you don't know who ASML, Applied Materials, Lam, etc. are, huh?
This is such a bad argument. Do you know ASML gets their lens from Zeiss? Does that mean Zeiss makes the EUV machine manufacturing process and not ASML?
 
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Fabrication is the hard part and more important to chip performance.


It is NOT their technology or invention. They had zilch to do with its development. Call it MacOS with ChatGPT or something. Calling it Apple Intelligence is misleading.
You know how all those PC laptops have the ugly Intel inside sticker on them? No doubt Intel gave the OEMs a break to put it there. This is the reverse. Apple probably paid billions extra so they DON'T have to mention chatgpt in their marketing

It's just business
 
This is such a bad argument. Do you know ASML gets their lens from Zeiss? Does that mean Zeiss makes the EUV machine manufacturing process and not ASML?
Oh, so you now recognize that from development to the hands of the consumer involves more than just fabrication of a chip? This is like saying that Apple had nothing to do with the OLED's in their screens...which I'm sure you mistakenly believe as well.
 
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My guess is that Siri gets the visual update across the OS, but what types of requests it can handle depend on the hardware.
What about the non-Siri stuff like what they were showing in mail and messages? Is that all hidden behind UI that won’t be surfaced on older hardware?
 
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