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They even mentioned the ability to use cloud processing which makes this argument doubly ridiculous. You can bet that even on the latest A17 devices it'll be reaching out to the cloud a lot, and probably not much more than it would be on A16 and A15. But even if some queries may take twice as long on my A15 as a brand new A17, who cares honestly, as long as it works...
They mentioned it but they also mentioned a nag when doing so. It might not be that it just takes longer, it could actually slow the entire phone down as it is constantly monitored. If they were really trying to push it, they could have said only M3 or higher Macs. There's likely a threshold they were aiming for but who knows.
 
Oh, there's no technical feat involved with rewriting an OS to run on ARM? The only one that seems to be hurting form the truth here is you...but you want it to somehow hurt someone else.

The fact you think that Apple doesn't develop the technology they use tells me you know just about zero about all of this and are coming in with a fixed bias...I think there's a term for that...hmm.
Rewriting the OS for ARM compatibility is child’s play compared to fabbing microchips.

Apple does not develop any technology. They buy the best parts for cheap due to sales volume and pretend they developed it.
 
I was wondering if HomePod was going to get "sensible Siri", as opposed to the comedically crap Siri we're lumbered with currently...
Actually had the same question. But you know what, it will stay dumb as it is until they come out with a new more powerful HomePod maybe already at the iPhone event or later, which will feature the new Siri. 100%.
 
They mentioned it but they also mentioned a nag when doing so. It might not be that it just takes longer, it could actually slow the entire phone down as it is constantly monitored. If they were really trying to push it, they could have said only M3 or higher Macs. There's likely a threshold they were aiming for but who knows.
It's dedicated hardware for neural networks. It's been advertised for years but not effectively used until now. Was excited to finally be able to use it to its full potential and then told nope. It's such a huge shame for A15 and A16 devices.

Sad to see Apple still requiring jailbreaks to use on-device features to their full potential. I hate having to legitimately consider jailbreaking again. I thought those days were over.
 
Sorry to disappoint you, but their Apple Intelligence does not more on-device than Samsung's Advanced Intelligence does. Apple is just pretending to do more than the others. It is mostly a copy of Samsung features anyway.
And you're basing this on....absolutely nothing. Samsung's product does nothing more than what iPhones already did with the Neural Engine in the past. There isn't an LLM running inside a Samsung device. This is just blatant ignorance.
 
It's dedicated hardware for neural networks. It's been advertised for years but not effectively used until now. Was excited to finally be able to use it to its full potential and then told nope. It's such a huge shame for A15 and A16 devices.
It's still doing neural networking, it has been for a long time - just not with an LLM.
 
AI=Alibaba Intelligence!

All jokes aside, they delivered what I expected from Apple, who knows all your personal information and should do way more than ChatGPT
 
On-screen intelligence is like Recall but I doubt people will attack Apple as much for it
Isn't most of the problem with Recall that there are screenshot images stored on your computer? The On-Screen thing today looked like it was just live, and there was no file full of stuff for bad actors to get into.
 
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Apple Intelligence is the entire package. Just like ChatGPT is not GPT. Microsoft calls it Co-Pilot, are they also "stealing" something here?

Apple handled AI as perfectly as I could expect. As long as everything works as they said, it sounds like this is the absolute best AI experience on any platform. I doubt anyone can seriously disagree,
For all I have seen so far, I am very skeptical about AI in general.

ChatGPT is great, but it does not do everything well. I mean, it does lots of things very well, it is certainly capable of understanding and creating several things, including text and images. However, it is many times inaccurate and gets confused when dealing with complex and difficult subjects.

As for all the rest, I am not impressed at all. I was an early subscriber of Microsoft Copilot Pro, as I was anticipating all the promised features. It did not deliver, and I canceled the subscription. The Microsoft free Copilot offers a poor experience. I am not impressed by Gemini either, which I consider inferior to ChatGPT. Samsung's attempts at AI are not great as well.

Apple made a lot of promises today, but I am skeptical. I want to see it working in real-world practice before calling it a good experience.

So far, ChatGPT is the only AI engine I would consider. All the rest still has a very long way to go. Perhaps Apple is different, perhaps not. Let's see.
 
Isn't most of the problem with Recall that there are screenshot images stored on your computer? The On-Screen thing today looked like it was just live, and there was no file full of stuff for bad actors to get into.
Yes, it's absolutely nothing like what we see here. I can't believe anyone is even trying to compare the two.

I think they just don't know what Co-Pilot for Windows is.
 
Unreleased software updates instantly make existing hardware useless! Are you new here? Someone’s 14 Pro just became as useless as an XR based on an earlier message!

Us Apple users are a salty bunch, it seems. :D
You don't loose whatever you got, you just don't get the polka candy. Apple has always done that, shouldn't be suprising to anyone. Android have somewhat avoided issues as they turned obsolete fast, and Windows have avoided it because they've always been behind. Windows 10 was their last OS 🤣

The important news was their approach to AI integration, which by the look of it is very very good. One of the significant caveats is that this kind of creative/intellectual production removes personal pzass from the work. The audences will be impresse by Apple and not the musician/writer/presenter.

Privacy will be a biggie. If Apple are honest and delivers true privacy (yeah right) it will be an even bigger feature, if not....
 
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I'll say this as nicely as I can: stop embarrassing yourself. We're not laughing with you, just so you know.

Apple is not even using regular ARM-designed cores, they're a full-blown ARM ISA licensee, meaning, their chips aren't necessarily compatible with other ARM chips.

For sure, virtualising other ARM-based OSes on Apple Silicon chips will always be faster than emulating chips with different ISAs, but that's only part of the equation… We may see an ever-growing split between Qualcomm and Samsung chips on the PC side and Apple chips on the other, despite all of them being possibly fabricated by TSMC, just because they have different designs and their OSes different requirements to go with them.

AFAIK, only Intel designs and produces its own chips, with even AMD using its now spun-off fab branch GlobalFoundries instead of owning its own fabs.
For the 1000 time, chip design does not matter. It is Apple fake marketing. Chip fabrication is everything. This is why Apple refused to release their own Mac chips until TSMC was ahead of Intel. Prior to that, they didn’t want to do it because being a node behind means they will never beat intel’s chips.
 
What a horrible review. You basically just rewrote their press release. I say this as an Apple employee. It’s awful. Most employees think it’s awful. Apple will NEVER do AI right given our emphasis on family friendly and privacy. The actual product is way worse than this. It’s Siri 2.0.

You're the only one who seems to think this is a review. It is the press release. This is how news gets out.
 
It's still doing neural networking, it has been for a long time - just not with an LLM.
There are some features that use it already but really not that many. I'm thinking of stuff that wouldn't work on my Intel Mac due to it lacking the on-chip features of the A15...there isn't a lot.
 
I hear it just disappears, I don't think people know what the word obsolete means
Technically (well, ackchyually) obsolete can be mean out of date in the sense of something not being the newest version of something, but that's not generally how the word is used. Too many people here on MR are too cavalier about the word. "What?! My iPhone 15 (with a soon to be 2 year old processor) won't use one aspect of new features in a new OS. Better throw it away! Greedy Apple, making my phone not able to run something it cannot run well and I probably won't even use."
 
Not really, there is a reason why Microsoft requires all windows copilot+ PCs to have minimum 45 TOPs and 16GB RAM to enable similar features. A17 Pro has 35 TOPS vs A16 17 TOPS, A15 15.8 TOPS. But also equally important is RAM, iPhone 15 Pro has 8GB of RAM, devices below that have just 6GB. They are trying to do as much on device as possible.

Yet the M1 with 11 TOPS and M2 with the same 15.8 TOPS as the A15 is just fine somehow? The 2GB of less RAM would make very little difference as the neural engine is the chip doing the vast majority of the processing.
 
Apple Intelligence is an unusual name for such a feature… I think their marketing ran out of ideas for names or had none on this feature.

What it does is cool, and looks very promising. But that name.. Im not so sure… I mean it’s not even their own AI technology. It’s a little misleading.
One part of it isn’t their own. Did you watch the Keynote?
 
You don't loose whatever you got, you just don't get the polka candy. Apple has always done that, shouldn't be suprising to anyone. Android have somewhat avoided issues as they turned obsolete fast, and Windows have avoided it because they've always been behind. Windows 10 was their last OS 🤣

The important news was their approach to AI integration, which by the look of it is very very good. One of the significant caveats is that this kind of creative/intellectual production removes personal pzass from the work. The audences will be impresse by Apple and not the musician/writer/presenter.

Privacy will be a biggie. If Apple are honest and delivers true privacy (yeah right) it will be an even bigger feature, if not....
Exactly.

I’m not the biggest fan of AI, but if Apple does this right I’m all for it. Privacy is my main concern, and if their implementation respects that…well, my 15PM, M1 iPad Pro and M2 Mac Mini look forward to it!
 
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