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sure i agree that jobs didn't design and enginer and all that but his influence and approvement would have scrapped the x until the tech was there

Of course it wouldn't.

The notch is only a problem on this forum and in Samsung ads.
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I, come on man you can't tell me every time you see a x that you don't say isn't it a pity about the intrusion of the notch, really?

Yes I can say that: no one thinks it's a pity, some even think it looks cool. Almost everyone accepts it as a holder of some really cool tech.

Not. An. Issue.
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Once you stop adding killer functionality, price starts becoming more of an issue.

OLED vs LCD.... meh

Amazing new screen.

Wireless Charging ....ok

Really useful.

FaceID vs TouchId... so what

Great improvement for me, one of the main reasons I got a X.

Have we reached the limit of what a phone can do until there’s a quantum leap in technology e.g flexible devices, 3D, battery tech?

There will be iterative, cool, quality of life improvements for years to come. Probably no leaps, but many little hops that add up over time.
 
Why are you assuming the Notch is an issue for so many people? It’s not. For some it might be, but it doesn’t play a role or hinder me from enjoying the iPhone X experience. Its Very simple, if you don’t like the iPhone X, you simply don’t buy it. Why continually keep complaining about it.
I was thinking as much that you have one, hence the defense, your missing the whole point of the op really, apple cheated on a non bezel phone cause of tech limitations and pressure not to continue another year of the same big bezels iphone tag, so they said, all we can do is put a notch there and there will be fools out there who will buy it!
 
...come on man you can't tell me every time you see a x that you don't say isn't it a pity about the intrusion of the notch, really?
I've owned the X for 8 months. Unless you're actually focusing on the notch, it's a non-issue. If you are focusing on the notch, you're using your phone wrong. I guess I'm just in the habit of focusing on the task at hand and not at what others see as some huge, awful design failure. The only time I even notice it is when I read about it on these forums and then I glance up at it and just shake my head wondering what all the fuss is about.
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I was thinking as much that you have one, hence the defense, your missing the whole point of the op really, apple cheated on a non bezel phone cause of tech limitations and pressure not to continue another year of the same big bezels iphone tag, so they said, all we can do is put a notch there and there will be fools out there who will buy it!
Just as they put out the exact same design phones for 4 years and there were "fools" out there that bought every one of them.
 
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I was thinking as much that you have one, hence the defense, your missing the whole point of the op really, apple cheated on a non bezel phone cause of tech limitations and pressure not to continue another year of the same big bezels iphone tag, so they said, all we can do is put a notch there and there will be fools out there who will buy it!

I’m Not defending the Notch, Im rebutting your arguments, which are completely bogus and frankly quite sophomoric. You really don’t have much of an argument, only to make fun of the notch, which is fine, but you really don’t have much validation backing up your arguments other than you ‘Just don’t like it’. But that doesn’t take everybody else’s experience and apply it to your own, it’s just merely your own nearsighted opinion.

Read the last sentence I bolded in your post, I think that says a lot about your insight about the notch (And smart phone tech) in general and that you truly don’t have an understanding of its existence.
 
I think the op was very fair and reasonable, I have to say Like others have said i haven't seen anyone I know with an X, but like others have said the most i know have iPhones, I really can't imagine Steve Jobs liking the X design, Steve was hardcore like the people the op is talking about, he was a deep thinker who had a understanding of what people wanted from a device, design/software/compact/easy to use, I bet if he was alive and was shown the X for the first time he would probably throw it on the floor and stamp on it because it would not have been acceptable or made sense to him, and these are also the thoughts of the hardcore users the op is referring to, it has to be said, I mean at the price of the current iPhones the x was about 100 more than the 8 plus, so they were both too expensive, but yet if you were going to pay that much you might as well get the X, but alot people still got the 8/8plus, this shouldn't have been the case, there is no doubt apple has lost customers, last year the 8/8plus was a safe guard, but there is no safe guard this September.

No he didn’t.
The op came off as a poster that either couldn’t afford or couldn’t justify and x, and wanted Apple to fail because he couldn’t get a 999 phone and nobody else should.

I was thinking as much that you have one, hence the defense, your missing the whole point of the op really, apple cheated on a non bezel phone cause of tech limitations and pressure not to continue another year of the same big bezels iphone tag, so they said, all we can do is put a notch there and there will be fools out there who will buy it!

Guess he wasn’t the only one.
Haters gonna hate.
 
Personally, I think iPhone X is a product made with deep understanding of what people want from a device. It is the best iPhone ever made, but not only that, it is also the most joyful in a long time. It is thoughtfuly done, masterfuly crafted and is, in many ways, the purest representation of Apple. I do believe that Jobs would be very proud of it.

Besides, people give Jobs too much credit, he didn't do industrial design, in fact, the same people who designed the iPhones in his lifetime came up with the X. If you think that it was Jobs, and not their own personal style, philosophy and expertise that made iPhones what they are, you're mistaken. Sure, Jobs meddled here and there, but the deisgn was always in the hands of Ive and his team.

Some people act like all these designers, engineers, scientists, artists were like little children, tossing out silly ideas and making clueless decisions, and that it was Steve Jobs who brought them in line, making all the decisions, and should be given credit for the design of hit Apple devices. That's not how things work.
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Notch does not affect the experience at all, which is reported almost unanimously by anyone who uses the X, and - in fact - it gives character to the device.

I can't believe after iPhone X turning out to be such a hit, after so many manufacturers copying the design - some people here still think the notch was a bad idea.

Anyway - the notch is hated only by fans of competing products, people making Samsung ads, people who don't have the X and a few people who like to bash Apple on these forums. For everyone else, it's either something you don't notice, or something that adds an interesting and unique look to your device, depending on your take.

Think you nailed it.
 
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I think a lot of people agreed the X was aimed at the niche market rather than the mainstream iPhone user due to its high price. I think that proved to be correct.

No one agrees the x was a niche market.

The iPhone X is the most popular iPhone since it launched. No way you can logically characterize it as a niche based on your price sensitivity.
 
In a market space with 7 other iPhone models offered over a 4 month period.

You need to stop. This isn’t a debate.

Apple has disclosed financials for the past three quarters. that’s 9 months not 4.
IPhone x is the most popular iPhone since it launched.

Either accept it or drop it.
 
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You need to stop. This isn’t a debate.

Apple has disclosed financials for the past three quarters.
The are crystal clear.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/25/iphone-8-plus-top-selling-q2-2018/

If this is anything like accurate then the iPhone X was the best seller with only about 18% market share because the market was split into so many chunks (the iPhone 7 series cannibalising the more expensive 8s) people en masse didn’t want the X like they have the previous flagship iPhones.
 
You need to stop. This isn’t a debate.

Apple has disclosed financials for the past three quarters.
The are crystal clear.
I don’t need to stop anything and that isn’t your place to dictate. This is an open discussion where sensible and respectful debate is encouraged under the forum rules.

Apple have never disclosed figures of each model sold, only the total quantity and profit. We are free to interpret this as we like and discuss it here. This year has had more models offered than any other year with an apparent slight percentage down to the previous year. All models have shared the market space with Apple suggesting the X has had more sales than each of the other 7 models offered individually. They’ve had a good year but it’s reasonable to see why the X hasn’t dominated sales and be widely popular in the mainstream due to such a wide choice offered.
 
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/25/iphone-8-plus-top-selling-q2-2018/

If this is anything like accurate then the iPhone X was the best seller with only about 18% market share because the market was split into so many chunks (the iPhone 7 series cannibalising the more expensive 8s) people en masse didn’t want the X like they have the previous flagship iPhones.

Except CIRP Data does not include any sales from apples retail store or online store and it’s US only with 1 quarter of data.

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Except CIRP Data does not include any sales from apples retail store or online store and it’s US only with 1 quarter of data.

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Being only the US should skew the results towards the X - it’s where it’s relatively speaking the cheapest and where there’s still deals that disguise its actual price. US customers are insulated more than anyone else from the Xs price and it still only sold 18% in the second quarter of availability. Even if in Q1 it sold 30% so by cumulative total it’s still the number one (I would guess something like this to be the case) it’s not got anything like the reach of previous flagships. Take that with apple’s stagnant volumes and you can see why they are backpedaling with the cheaper 6.1” model this year.
 
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Being only the US should skew the results towards the X - it’s where it’s relatively speaking the cheapest and where there’s still deals that disguise its actual price. US customers are insulated more than anyone else from the Xs price and it still only sold 18% in the second quarter of availability. Even if in Q1 it sold 30% so by cumulative total it’s still the number one (I would guess something like this to be the case) it’s not got anything like the reach of previous flagships. Take that with apple’s stagnant volumes and you can see why they are backpedaling with the cheaper 6.1” model this year.
According to Atlas the iPhone X was the 8th most bought iPhone in the UK in the first 2 quarters.
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This coincides with carriers and CPW reporting that the iPhone despite being 2 years old is the current best seller among iPhone users right now.

Nobody here is getting dramatic and suggesting Apple has failed, but this notion the iPhone X has blown everything out of the water is false. I think this year will see the 6.1” LCD compete with older devices near the top.
 
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I don’t need to stop anything and that isn’t your place to dictate. This is an open discussion where sensible and respectful debate is encouraged under the forum rules.

Apple have never disclosed figures of each model sold, only the total quantity and profit. We are free to interpret this as we like and discuss it here. This year has had more models offered than any other year with an apparent slight percentage down to the previous year. All models have shared the market space with Apple suggesting the X has had more sales than each of the other 7 models offered individually. They’ve had a good year but it’s reasonable to see why the X hasn’t dominated sales and be widely popular in the mainstream due to such a wide choice offered.

Three quarters of disclosed financials with quantity, profit, and iPhone asp at an all time high, Apple just passed the trillion dollar market cap on the back of the iPhone X.

And you still claim iPhone X isn’t widely popular or hasn’t dominated sales. That’s fud.
It’s also against forum rules.



iPhone X was world's best-selling smartphone in Q1,
https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/new...was-the-worlds-best-selling-smartphone-in-q1/

Apple’s Q2 2018 earnings call: iPhone X was top seller all quarter
https://venturebeat.com/2018/05/01/apples-q2-2018-earnings-call-iphone-x-was-top-seller-all-quarter/

iPhone X is a flop? Actually, it’s Apple’s best-selling iPhone model
https://bgr.com/2018/05/02/apple-iphone-x-sales-q2-2018-earnings/

Apple’s Q3 2018 earnings call: iPhone X and subscriptions drove growth
https://venturebeat.com/2018/07/31/...call-iphone-x-and-subscriptions-drove-growth/

Apple Proved Wall Street Wrong—iPhone X Is the Best-Selling Phone in China
http://observer.com/2018/05/apple-earnings-release-phone-x-china/

iPhone Shipments Up in Q2 as iPhone X Leads Smartphone Sales in China
http://www.microwavejournal.com/blo...2-as-iphone-x-leads-smartphone-sales-in-china

Apple’s flagship iPhone X continues to be the best-selling smartphone in urban China
http://macdailynews.com/2018/05/03/...e-the-best-selling-smartphone-in-urban-china/

And you think that it’s a sensible discussion.
 
Being only the US should skew the results towards the X - it’s where it’s relatively speaking the cheapest and where there’s still deals that disguise its actual price. US customers are insulated more than anyone else from the Xs price and it still only sold 18% in the second quarter of availability. Even if in Q1 it sold 30% so by cumulative total it’s still the number one (I would guess something like this to be the case) it’s not got anything like the reach of previous flagships. Take that with apple’s stagnant volumes and you can see why they are backpedaling with the cheaper 6.1” model this year.

Sorry but that is a limited sample of the market. Again for Us only and one quarter.

CIRP Does not use Apple retail sales
Or online sales.

If they were backpedaling they wouldn’t release two high end phones.

It looks like Apple is doubling down not backpedaling on the iPhone x series.
 
According to Atlas the iPhone X was the 8th most bought iPhone in the UK in the first 2 quarters.
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This coincides with carriers and CPW reporting that the iPhone despite being 2 years old is the current best seller among iPhone users right now.

Nobody here is getting dramatic and suggesting Apple has failed, but this notion the iPhone X has blown everything out of the water is false. I think this year will see the 6.1” LCD compete with older devices near the top.
According to your chart, the X sold almost on par with the "much less expensive" iPhone 8. What does that say about the iPhone 8?
 
According to your chart, the X sold almost on par with the "much less expensive" iPhone 8. What does that say about the iPhone 8?

Don’t bother.
Atlas is a advertising and analytics platform.
It’s meaningless.
 
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There's no point going on with sales and the like, it's not what the op is talking about, to me the op raises the question if apple has lost some die hard users with its X design, it's not that long ago that tech sites were reporting of apple cutting orders because of poor demand for the X, wouldn't surprise me if sales for the X are some what fabricated to be honest, I remember when the X came out most of the YouTubers were either avoiding talking about the notch or they wouldn't show the X in landscape, basically trying to play it down for fear of upsetting apple, I have a 8 plus so I'm not here to bash apple or stir sh_t, it has to be said apple is never wrong we have experienced this over the years with different things, the x design has been pushed on to us iphone users, and is not a niche product, all upcoming iphones are x design, apple doesn't always know best is all.
 
According to your chart, the X sold almost on par with the "much less expensive" iPhone 8. What does that say about the iPhone 8?
It says they both struggled here against older models, something I have said here many times. The iPhone 7 had a boost in sales here when the 8 first came out as consumers preferred the better deals offered on the older but not vastly different device.
 
There's no point going on with sales and the like, it's not what the op is talking about, to me the op raises the question if apple has lost some die hard users with its X design, it's not that long ago that tech sites were reporting of apple cutting orders because of poor demand for the X, wouldn't surprise me if sales for the X are some what fabricated to be honest, I remember when the X came out most of the YouTubers were either avoiding talking about the notch or they wouldn't show the X in landscape, basically trying to play it down for fear of upsetting apple, I have a 8 plus so I'm not here to bash apple or stir sh_t, it has to be said apple is never wrong we have experienced this over the years with different things, the x design has been pushed on to us iphone users, and is not a niche product, all upcoming iphones are x design, apple doesn't always know best is all.

Sales are proving other wise.
You can’t talk about demand and disregard sales.

There is a reason Apple is releasing three models with a notch and high prices this year and it’s not because the iPhone X was the failure that many posters here claimed.

Doubling down on the iPhone X strategy should put most conjecture to rest but some just can’t seem to let it go.
 
Going back and reading some of these posts and it’s astonishing how wrong some of these posters were.

"It's too expensive! It'll never sell!" Best selling iPhone since it was launched.

"The shift away from a mainstream audience to a niche product will kill unit sales!" iPhone unit sales up 3% despite average retail increase of $200 over prior year.

"The notch is ugly! They'll get rid of it!" New X versions feature the notch.

"The X is a special edition, one-and-done, it's already obsolete!" Complete line of X form factors launching soon.
 
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"It's too expensive! It'll never sell!" Best selling iPhone since it was launched.

"The shift away from a mainstream audience to a niche product will kill unit sales!" iPhone unit sales up 3% despite average retail increase of $200 over prior year.

"The notch is ugly! They'll get rid of it!" New X versions feature the notch.

"The X is a special edition, one-and-done, it's already obsolete!" Complete line of X form factors launching soon.

Hey Bolt, are you buying the new iPhone X Plus next month seeing as it’ll be the best and most luxurious iPhone on the market? Just curious as you very confidently said it would never exist and you only buy the best.
 
There's no point going on with sales and the like, it's not what the op is talking about, to me the op raises the question if apple has lost some die hard users with its X design, it's not that long ago that tech sites were reporting of apple cutting orders because of poor demand for the X, wouldn't surprise me if sales for the X are some what fabricated to be honest, I remember when the X came out most of the YouTubers were either avoiding talking about the notch or they wouldn't show the X in landscape, basically trying to play it down for fear of upsetting apple, I have a 8 plus so I'm not here to bash apple or stir sh_t, it has to be said apple is never wrong we have experienced this over the years with different things, the x design has been pushed on to us iphone users, and is not a niche product, all upcoming iphones are x design, apple doesn't always know best is all.
There were plenty of video reviews showing landscape mode. And I don’t think the X design has been pushed onto anybody. Last year the iPhone 8 was the alternative, this year if people don’t like it, they’re perfectly free to either not upgrade or to upgrade to something else.
 
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