Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[boltjames]

“I’m not ignoring your posts” he says.

Then ignores my post.

How predictable.

I asked you to ask me a specific question and this was your reply:

“I'm not going to waste my time going back and finding the things that you ignored, only for you to ignore them all over again.”

You don’t ask me questions, you just criticize me as a poster.

I’m not avoiding you. Ask me a question I and will be happy to answer. Your last post had no questions, only personal criticisms.

 

[I7guy]

...The ones who have purchased new iPhones on the back of the example above.

Terms and conditions on that scale in a consumer device mean pretty much nothing and you know it. They offer very little legal protection to Apple, and for good reason.

You can’t really delve into the mindset of consumers purchase decisions. I think there are examples where it fiecnt hold up in court.

And the T&C seemingly does hive Apple legal protection. Another poster was discussing this in the main macrumors news thread in reference to “bendgate”.

 

[tomjleeds]

I asked you to ask me a specific question and this was your reply:

“I'm not going to waste my time going back and finding the things that you ignored, only for you to ignore them all over again.”

You don’t ask me questions, you just criticize me as a poster.

I’m not avoiding you. Ask me a question I and will be happy to answer. Your last post had no questions, only personal criticisms.

So we’ve established two things then:

1. You only respond to direct questions, never to anything else (this is obviously bollocks)

2. To you, if someone disagrees with you, or points out that you’re wrong, that’s a personal criticism (also bollocks but makes a lot of sense in context of your behaviour)

You can’t really delve into the mindset of consumers purchase decisions. I think there are examples where it fiecnt hold up in court.

And the T&C seemingly does hive Apple legal protection. Another poster was discussing this in the main macrumors news thread in reference to “bendgate”.

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it would hold up as an argument in court, just that (some) people have been screwed over as a result of Apple initially doing the right thing but failing at the communication piece.

The legal protection does offer some limited protection, and obviously that differs in different jurisdictions, but also in terms of what it relates to. As a European example, the angle in this case (were someone to tackle it) would probably be “consumer protection” and this is where T&Cs like that fall down.

 

[shadyman]

Kudos to everyone participating here using rational arguments.

Nevertheless, some questions emerged reading the entire thread. How is it possible to defend a company to such an extent it becomes embarrassing to even read the arguments? There's a German expression for that: Fremdschämen.

 

[nicksti]

Kudos to everyone participating here using rational arguments.

Nevertheless, some questions emerged reading the entire thread. How is it possible to defend a company to such an extent it becomes embarrassing to even read the arguments? There's a German expression for that: Fremdschämen.

Does that translate to boltjames?

I hope he is getting financial compensation for the work he is putting in. On a serious note the sad reality is the more people that tolerate this behavior the more these companies will trample on us.

You know boltjames if Apple designs a phone that customers who have owned smartphones, include said brand of smartphone, could "hold it the wrong way" then Apple is not the smart company you think they are.

 

[shadyman]

Does that translate to boltjames?

I hope he is getting financial compensation for the work he is putting in. On a serious note the sad reality is the more people that tolerate this behavior the more these companies will trample on us.

You know boltjames if Apple designs a phone that customers who have owned smartphones, include said brand of smartphone, could "hold it the wrong way" then Apple is not the smart company you think they are.

Fact is that Apple‘s most important goal is to make as much as possible profit. Therefore, how can anyone think that the implementation of this so called „feature“ was charity?
There are too many things that don’t fit into their story.

I do hope that Apple will be punished so they will learn from this, and find their way back to being the quality company they claim to be.

 

[shadyman]

So we’ve established two things then:

1. You only respond to direct questions, never to anything else (this is obviously bollocks)

2. To you, if someone disagrees with you, or points out that you’re wrong, that’s a personal criticism (also bollocks but makes a lot of sense in context of your behaviour)



Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it would hold up as an argument in court, just that (some) people have been screwed over as a result of Apple initially doing the right thing but failing at the communication piece.

The legal protection does offer some limited protection, and obviously that differs in different jurisdictions, but also in terms of what it relates to. As a European example, the angle in this case (were someone to tackle it) would probably be “consumer protection” and this is where T&Cs like that fall down.

Oh, man. I’ve seen you responding to all this nonsense for pages. Bless your patience.
[doublepost=1516228252][/doublepost]@boltjames To clarify things, this is not a personal attack, solely based on your statements in this thread.

So, what kind of relationship do you have with Apple to even think of this problem being caused by old devices or jailbroken devices? Is it that hard to understand what reality is in this case?

Furthermore, are you aware of that Apple themselves basically stated their intention of slowing down phones in certain circumstances?

The only logic explanation for this position is that a) you’re completely blind and loyal to the brand b) you have so many shares that you need to derail public discussions about the issue and ignore what is reality.


I’m really trying to understand the intention behind this.

 

[boltjames]

You know boltjames if Apple designs a phone that customers who have owned smartphones, include said brand of smartphone, could "hold it the wrong way" then Apple is not the smart company you think they are.

90% of the world's population is right-handed and no right-handed person would be able to grip the phone in the manner necessary to cause the phony drop in bars.

And as evidenced by the Steve Jobs presentation when the phony Antennagate story broke, real data from real customers at AT&T and Apple stores showed there were no returns over the issue and only a 1% delta in dropped calls.

But, please, don't let the facts get in the way of a good Android myth. Carry on, tell us how much iPhone sucks again as we sell 36 MILLION units of a $1,250 iPhone X generating $48 BILLION dollars in revenue.
[doublepost=1516237237][/doublepost]

Oh, man. I’ve seen you responding to all this nonsense for pages. Bless your patience.

It's been fun debating irrational people looking to crucify the most innovative company in the world. It's like being a New England Patriots fan listening to Cleveland Browns fans talk about football.

@boltjames To clarify things, this is not a personal attack, solely based on your statements in this thread.

Let's see about that. Lots of people preface their personal attacks by saying "this is not a personal attack".

So, what kind of relationship do you have with Apple to even think of this problem...

I have no relationship with Apple. I am head of household of a family of 5 who have several iOS devices as they are best-in-class in the categories of notebooks, smartphones, media players, smart watches, media streamers, etc. It might interest you to know that I own a MacBook which runs Windows 10 exclusively, I have no understanding or need for the awful MacOS and believe Windows to be the better operating system.

....being caused by old devices or jailbroken devices? Is it that hard to understand what reality is in this case?

Old Devices: iPhones that are over 1 year old are out of warranty meaning that their processors and batteries are not guaranteed to deliver the same performance when as-new. So when people refer to problems with iPhone 6's running their original 3 year old batteries it should not be a surprise to them. Batteries die. They need replacing. If not, they slow the phone down and shut the phone down unexpectedly.

Jailbreaking: Apple themselves issued a warning on the habit of jailbreaking iPhones and specifically call out battery drain as a consequence. While not many jailbreak anymore, back in 2014 people did and that is when damage might have started that festered until the most recent iOS release. Jailbreaking messes with the root of the device itself, the apps installed are not certified by Apple, it should not be a surprise that bad things can happen when you hack a product not intended to be used in that manner.

Furthermore, are you aware of that Apple themselves basically stated their intention of slowing down phones in certain circumstances?

Apple has been doing this for 10 years. It's called "power management" and Apple is best-in-class in the art. The most important thing to anyone using a smartphone is that it has a battery that can stand up to all-day use. The mere fact that an ancient iPhone 6 can have its original battery last all day is a miracle and its due to Apple tweaking the OS to allow new iOS features to work with old processors and fading batteries. Say 'thank you'. Or buy a new phone.

The only logic explanation for this position is that a) you’re completely blind and loyal to the brand b) you have so many shares that you need to derail public discussions about the issue and ignore what is reality.

Neither. The other logical explanation is that there are a bunch of people spending too much time looking at benchmarking apps and not enough time doing the research on Apple's own policies and record of success.

I’m really trying to understand the intention behind this.

The intention is to offer my opinions, no different than anyone else. Except that I'm one of the few who has the right perspective and isn't swayed by hysteria caused by a high school student and a third party app spewing metrics that can't be felt in the real world.

 

[0014]

Tim Cook has said that a future iOS update will allow users to switch off the throttling.

http://www.iClarified.com/64203

 

[Radon87000]

Tim Cook has said that a future iOS update will allow users to switch off the throttling.

http://www.iClarified.com/64203

Seems they want to weasel the way out of the lawsuit. No ones stopping them from executing planned obsolescence in some other form

 

[tomjleeds]

90% of the world's population is right-handed and no right-handed person would be able to grip the phone in the manner necessary to cause the phony drop in bars.

So 10% of potential customers were ignored at all times during design and testing stages?

And as evidenced by the Steve Jobs presentation when the phony Antennagate story broke, real data from real customers at AT&T and Apple stores showed there were no returns over the issue and only a 1% delta in dropped calls.

Returns = irrelevant

1% delta at the time, considering how many people could have got their hands on a 4 (not many in context of entire AT&T customer base) is significant. Don't abuse statistics. You aren't in a sales meeting.

But, please, don't let the facts get in the way of a good Android myth. Carry on, tell us how much iPhone sucks again as we sell 36 MILLION units of a $1,250 iPhone X generating $48 BILLION dollars in revenue.

Who said anything abuot Android?

What is this "we"?

It's been fun debating irrational people looking to crucify the most innovative company in the world. It's like being a New England Patriots fan listening to Cleveland Browns fans talk about football.

I'm not looking to do that. Don't misrepresent my position.

Let's see about that. Lots of people preface their personal attacks by saying "this is not a personal attack".

They have to, because your default position is disagreement = personal criticism.

I have no relationship with Apple. I am head of household of a family of 5 who have several iOS devices as they are best-in-class in the categories of notebooks, smartphones, media players, smart watches, media streamers, etc. It might interest you to know that I own a MacBook which runs Windows 10 exclusively, I have no understanding or need for the awful MacOS and believe Windows to be the better operating system.

If you have no relationship with Apple, why did you use "we" above?

I find it very interesting to know that you consider an OS which you don't understand to be worse than one you do. Very interesting indeed.

Old Devices: iPhones that are over 1 year old are out of warranty meaning that their processors and batteries are not guaranteed to deliver the same performance when as-new. So when people refer to problems with iPhone 6's running their original 3 year old batteries it should not be a surprise to them. Batteries die. They need replacing. If not, they slow the phone down and shut the phone down unexpectedly.

Except it also applies to 6S and 7 devices, some of which are still under warranty. Additionally, here in Europe, Apple can't just wash their hands of devices after a single year, no matter how much the official warranty might end then.

Furthermore, the controversy wasn't about the fact that batteries are effectively consumables, it was about how Apple mitigated that, how they failed to communicate it, and how they treated users who sought advice.

You know all this, I've told you time and again. Stop spreading lies.

Jailbreaking: Apple themselves issued a warning on the habit of jailbreaking iPhones and specifically call out battery drain as a consequence. While not many jailbreak anymore, back in 2014 people did and that is when damage might have started that festered until the most recent iOS release. Jailbreaking messes with the root of the device itself, the apps installed are not certified by Apple, it should not be a surprise that bad things can happen when you hack a product not intended to be used in that manner.

All totally irrelevant.

Apple has been doing this for 10 years. It's called "power management" and Apple is best-in-class in the art. The most important thing to anyone using a smartphone is that it has a battery that can stand up to all-day use. The mere fact that an ancient iPhone 6 can have its original battery last all day is a miracle and its due to Apple tweaking the OS to allow new iOS features to work with old processors and fading batteries. Say 'thank you'. Or buy a new phone.

Also irrelevant.

Neither. The other logical explanation is that there are a bunch of people spending too much time looking at benchmarking apps and not enough time doing the research on Apple's own policies and record of success.

Policies and record of success are meaningless to the individual consumer who took their iPhone to Apple and was told the battery was fine when it wasn't, and were refused the option to pay for service.

The intention is to offer my opinions, no different than anyone else. Except that I'm one of the few who has the right perspective and isn't swayed by hysteria caused by a high school student and a third party app spewing metrics that can't be felt in the real world.

The intention seems to be some kind of self-aggrandising attempt, based around conflating the brands of "Apple" and "boltjames". This is really rather pathetic.

 

[boltjames]

Tim Cook has said that a future iOS update will allow users to switch off the throttling.

http://www.iClarified.com/64203

Excellent news. First you got your apology. Then you got your $50 battery discount. Then you got the 80% threshold removed. Now you got your ‘off’ switch.

Everyone should be happy.
[doublepost=1516275999][/doublepost]

Seems they want to weasel the way out of the lawsuit. No ones stopping them from executing planned obsolescence in some other form

...and it’s still not enough. Incredible.

That gallon of milk you bought on Monday. It expires on Friday. Where’s the outrage?

 

[Phone Junky]

That gallon of milk you bought on Monday. It expires on Friday. Where’s the outrage?

The gallon of milk has an expiration date RIGHT ON THE CARTON. Iphone has nothing on it warning when the throttling begins...

 

[boltjames]

The gallon of milk has an expiration date RIGHT ON THE CARTON. Iphone has nothing on it warning when the throttling begins...

Read the warranty policies and terms and conditions that Apple provides you upon activation of your iPhone and upon installation of every iOS update.

You know, the fine print that you skip over because you’re so excited to start using your new phone or playing with the new operating system? Read it. It’s right on the carton.

 

[Phone Junky]

Read the warranty policies and terms and conditions that Apple provides you upon activation of your iPhone and upon installation of every iOS update.

You know, the fine print that you skip over because you’re so excited to start using your new phone or playing with the new operating system? Read it. It’s right on the carton.

Really? I wasn’t aware that it gave a specific age of phone, battery cycle count, battery percentage, or any other explanation of when a potential throttle may occur. Simply put, people just want to know.
You’re gonna slow my phone down? Fine, just let me know when. That way, when it happens, I’m not sitting here staring at it wondering what’s wrong with my phone.
With all the magical things that Apple can put into a phone, you would think they could put a simple pop up stating that the battery has degraded to a point where the phone will be automagically slowed down. Oh wait, they can do that. So why not? Because they’re not in the business of keeping older devices going. They’re in the business of selling new stuff.
Battery’s not up to snuff, get it replaced. How simple life could be...

 

[0014]

Excellent news. First you got your apology. Then you got your $50 battery discount. Then you got the 80% threshold removed. Now you got your ‘off’ switch.

Everyone should be happy.
[doublepost=1516275999][/doublepost]

...and it’s still not enough. Incredible.

That gallon of milk you bought on Monday. It expires on Friday. Where’s the outrage?

You need to get down off your high horse chap! Your making yourself look a fool.

Just because to *YOU* it’s not an issue, to others it is. We all have differing views & opinions. Just as you are entitled to voice your opinion let others voice there’s!

I personally am not someone who finds the throttling an issue. I think Apple’s solution is quite clever. But i also have an X and went from a 6 Plus to a 7 Plus. Prior to that I changed my phones yearly then stopped at the 6 Plus.

What i dislike is that they never explained in iOS 10.2.1 onwards that the power management tweak they had implemented slowed the phone down when it detected a problem. That and they are obviously using substandard batteries if no other phone manufacturer feels the need to implement this feature.

This easier thing Apple should have done, in my opinion, is have a warning pop up on the phone that told the user to put it in low power mode as a problem was detected. Then take it to the nearest Apple store to have the battery serviced. If in warranty do it free, if out of warranty they pay.

Then there wouldn’t have been the furore that has ensued.

Apple are now in damage limitation mode and doing all they can to limit the potential fall out of the 45+ lawsuits they currently face.

The problem they have made worse for themselves by previously refusing to replace the battery at the customer request.

Whilst you may also refute some third party battery & benchmarking apps it will be interesting to see what the iOS health data says when it’s released in 11.3 in comparison to the likes of Coconut, Battery Life etc.

In short, let people voice their opinions and thoughts. You don’t have to read or reply to them.

 

[Radon87000]

Excellent news. First you got your apology. Then you got your $50 battery discount. Then you got the 80% threshold removed. Now you got your ‘off’ switch.

Everyone should be happy.
[doublepost=1516275999][/doublepost]

...and it’s still not enough. Incredible.

That gallon of milk you bought on Monday. It expires on Friday. Where’s the outrage?

Thing is I rate the iPhone higher than most other items I use or own because its a top end product in its category for over a 1000 bucks and I expect equivalent service quality.

My gaming PC having a GTX 1080 Ti, a 7700K, 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws Trident DDR4 RAM oced to 3200mhz, Corsair 1200W Platinum rated PSU costing almost $2000 does not throttle or lose performance over 5 years on OS upgrades and it still blows the doors off the latest games on max settings at 1600P. so why is the iPhone an exception. My Dell XPS 13 in contrast despite not slowing down does not maintain max speed freqency sometimes without heating up after 3 years but I have no issues because its a budget laptop and I expect budget performance

Important point to note. The A11 Bionic is half as powerful as my 7700K which is a top tier gaming CPU and it cant handle a simple OS upgrade without slowdowns?

 

[I7guy]

Thing is I rate the iPhone higher than most other items I use or own because its a top end product in its category for over a 1000 bucks and I expect equivalent service quality.

My gaming PC having a GTX 1080 Ti, a 7700K, 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws Trident DDR4 RAM oced to 3200mhz, Corsair 1200W Platinum rated PSU costing almost $2000 does not throttle or lose performance over 5 years on OS upgrades and it still blows the doors off the latest games on max settings at 1600P. so why is the iPhone an exception. My Dell XPS 13 in contrast despite not slowing down does not maintain max speed freqency sometimes without heating up after 3 years but I have no issues because its a budget laptop and I expect budget performance

Important point to note. The A11 Bionic is half as powerful as my 7700K which is a top tier gaming CPU and it cant handle a simple OS upgrade without slowdowns?

Your gaming pc is meant to be plugged in 24x7 with a 1200 watt or higher quality power supply with all components running on high performance without overheating in a properly designed case with a powerful graphics card consuming a few hundred watts of power.

Quite different from a small electronic device powered by lithium ion battery where every minute of uptime is critical, even if it means performance reductions.

And as a side note, Windows 10 causes it powerful 2 year old laptop a noticeable drop in performance.

 

[boltjames]

Really? I wasn’t aware that it gave a specific age of phone, battery cycle count, battery percentage, or any other explanation of when a potential throttle may occur.

It doesn't need to. This is what you agree to when you purchase and use an iPhone:

This is from the Terms & Conditions of every iOS update you've ever hit the 'ACCEPT' button for:

7.4 APPLE DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE iOS
SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN, OR SERVICES PERFORMED OR
PROVIDED BY, THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE OPERATION OF
THE iOS SOFTWARE AND SERVICES WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, THAT ANY
SERVICE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, THAT DEFECTS IN THE iOS SOFTWARE OR
SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED, OR THAT THE iOS SOFTWARE WILL BE COMPATIBLE OR WORK
WITH ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS OR THIRD PARTY SERVICES.

This is from the Warranty of every iPhone you've ever hit the "AGREE" button for:

IMPORTANT: BY USING YOUR iPHONE, iPAD, iPOD or APPLE TV PRODUCT YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THE APPLE ONE (1) YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY (“WARRANTY”) AS SET OUT BELOW. DO NOT USE YOUR PRODUCT UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THE TERMS OF THE WARRANTY.

IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE WARRANTY, DO NOT USE THE PRODUCT AND RETURN IT WITHIN THE RETURN PERIOD STATED IN APPLE’S RETURN POLICY.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED BY THIS WARRANTY?

This Warranty does not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries or protective coatings that are designed to diminish over time, unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship;

....if you don't like Apple's rules, don't use Apple products. I bet you didn't read it again, right? Just skipped over it like you do when you first got your iPhone and every subsequent iOS update, right?

You’re gonna slow my phone down? Fine, just let me know when. That way, when it happens, I’m not sitting here staring at it wondering what’s wrong with my phone.

Power Management has been controlled by Apple for the past 10 years. They have "slowed" iPhone's down as the years go by since 2008. Nothing is different now except some high school student found a line of code like, ooooh, Apple got caught doing something they were never doing. They were always doing it. iOS 10.2 started this whole thing and there was no outrage for the past 13 months. Interesting.

That said it is understood that in this era where people are holding onto their phones for longer than the 1 year warranty period and/or 2 year carrier contract period consumers now want more transparency on battery health so there are no surprises. I agree with this. Tim Cook has granted this in the next iOS update.

With all the magical things that Apple can put into a phone, you would think they could put a simple pop up stating that the battery has degraded to a point where the phone will be automagically slowed down.

It hasn't been necessary until now. Apparently the intersections of slim design, light weight, processing power, iOS sophistication, and battery strength have now reached a critical junction where a sacrifice needs to be made. Either you go for speed or you go for distance. Tim Cook has agreed to give you this option in the next iOS update.

Oh wait, they can do that. So why not? Because they’re not in the business of keeping older devices going. They’re in the business of selling new stuff.

This conspiracy theory has to stop. Apple doesn't high-pressure-sell anyone in their stores. And if Apple wanted to force consumers to buy new iPhone's as a result of a problem with their old iPhone, creating a protocol to EXTEND battery life and AVOID shutdowns would be the LAST thing they would do. The average consumer doesn't prioritize a few milliseconds of lag over a dead iPhone. You know this. This is common sense. Given the choice of an experience that is slowed by, maybe, 5% -or- a completely dead iPhone when your car has broken down and you're stranded on the side of a road at night in 20 degree temperatures, you're taking the faster iPhone? Be real.

Battery’s not up to snuff, get it replaced. How simple life could be...

If you didn't read the warranty saying that consumables like batteries aren't even warranted for one year, that's on you, not Apple. If you didn't read the terms & conditions saying that new versions of iOS are not guaranteed to keep your experience the same as the old version, that's on you, not Apple. If you haven't noticed the 10 kiosks in every mall selling replacement iPhone batteries that's on you, not Apple.

If you didn't know that the battery in your iPhone isn't going to last forever, now you do. I'm told Android makes smartphones with better batteries that don't need to be changed that often and processors that don't need to be power managed as much. Try an Android. No one is forcing you into Apple's ecosystem, Apple's rules, and Apple's processing decisions.

 

[Phone Junky]

No sense in discussing any further. I don't need to read your copy and paste terms and conditions more than once. You see it as Apple can do no wrong. That's fine for you. To go on a message board and post countless long messages about this, there has to be more than just a "consumer weighing in on the topic". Beyond liking Apple products, what gives with this endless defending? Really, what to YOU have to gain by continually posting on this topic. You don't have problems with your devices, but you want to berate those who do and voice their concerns. Why? Is it just for the sake of arguement? It just boggles the mind why a "millionaire" would spend so much time on a message board defending a company on a topic that doesn't affect him. That's all. I'm done here.

 

[C DM]

Seems they want to weasel the way out of the lawsuit. No ones stopping them from executing planned obsolescence in some other form

Seems like there's a way to twist pretty much anything into pretty much anything.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Read the warranty policies and terms and conditions that Apple provides you upon activation of your iPhone and upon installation of every iOS update.

You know, the fine print that you skip over because you’re so excited to start using your new phone or playing with the new operating system? Read it. It’s right on the carton.

It’s 24 months in Europe although Apple do try hard to wriggle out of this standard consumer protection law.

Depending on the fault we are protected up to 6 years after purchase. Apple acknowledges this in their terms and conditions.

https://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

 

[JT2002TJ]

So, perhaps we should have a quick update:

1. People find a issue with speed issues and battery degradation.
2. It makes its way around the web/tech forums
3. A small group of Apple loyalists say it is false and ask for proof while saying it didn't happen to them so it can't be true.
4. Proof is provided by numerous forum members, some of who ask for those saying it was false to prove their claims that it wasn't true. (No proof was ever given)
5. Apple admits to doing what the small group of Apple loyalists say there was no way was happening.
6. Same group of Apple loyalists shift argument from if it was actually happening to it was perfectly fine to do it because of terms and conditions, and that if they didn't do it, all phone would have died (as if there was never a middle ground)
7. Apple comes out with a discounted battery replacement plan as a way to smooth public image
8. Apple loyalists continue to deny any wrong doing
9. Apple plans to implement battery related CPU throttling switch (which was asked/suggested in the first few pages of this thread)
10. Apple loyalists still find a way to argue 78 pages into something that even Apple has admitted to and mitigated.

That should sum up everything for everyone. I stopped arguing very early on in this tread, and pointed out before Apple came out and admitted it that these same Apple loyalists will shift the argument, and find some way to point out how Apple was right for doing this. Way to spin, and keep it going guys/gals, I'm actually impressed by your head in the sand mentality.

Do you loyalists not realize that, if we (I am including myself, since I had it happen to my iphone 6+ and had a battery replaced at the discounted rate) just did what you suggested, not only would there be not solution for those of use with batteries slowing down our phones, a way to get Apple to change our batteries (while above 80%) and no future option to select between throttling vs battery life? It takes the general public becoming aware and becoming outraged to make a trillion dollar company change its ways. This is how things improve, and your favorite company, who can do no wrong, learns how to better serve the general public.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

So, perhaps we should have a quick update:

1. People find a issue with speed issues and battery degradation.
2. It makes its way around the web/tech forums
3. A small group of Apple loyalists say it is false and ask for proof while saying it didn't happen to them so it can't be true.
4. Proof is provided by numerous forum members, some of who ask for those saying it was false to prove their claims that it wasn't true. (No proof was ever given)
5. Apple admits to doing what the small group of Apple loyalists say there was no way was happening.
6. Same group of Apple loyalists shift argument from if it was actually happening to it was perfectly fine to do it because of terms and conditions, and that if they didn't do it, all phone would have died (as if there was never a middle ground)
7. Apple comes out with a discounted battery replacement plan as a way to smooth public image
8. Apple loyalists continue to deny any wrong doing
9. Apple plans to implement battery related CPU throttling switch (which was asked/suggested in the first few pages of this thread)
10. Apple loyalists still find a way to argue 78 pages into something that even Apple has admitted to and mitigated.

That should sum up everything for everyone. I stopped arguing very early on in this tread, and pointed out before Apple came out and admitted it that these same Apple loyalists will shift the argument, and find some way to point out how Apple was right for doing this. Way to spin, and keep it going guys/gals, I'm actually impressed by your head in the sand mentality.

Do you loyalists not realize that, if we (I am including myself, since I had it happen to my iphone 6+ and had a battery replaced at the discounted rate) just did what you suggested, not only would there be not solution for those of use with batteries slowing down our phones, a way to get Apple to change our batteries (while above 80%) and no future option to select between throttling vs battery life? It takes the general public becoming aware and becoming outraged to make a trillion dollar company change its ways. This is how things improve, and your favorite company, who can do no wrong, learns how to better serve the general public.

You’ve pretty much summed it up perfectly. I wish I could like this more than once.

 

[C DM]

So, perhaps we should have a quick update:

1. People find a issue with speed issues and battery degradation.
2. It makes its way around the web/tech forums
3. A small group of Apple loyalists say it is false and ask for proof while saying it didn't happen to them so it can't be true.
4. Proof is provided by numerous forum members, some of who ask for those saying it was false to prove their claims that it wasn't true. (No proof was ever given)
5. Apple admits to doing what the small group of Apple loyalists say there was no way was happening.
6. Same group of Apple loyalists shift argument from if it was actually happening to it was perfectly fine to do it because of terms and conditions, and that if they didn't do it, all phone would have died (as if there was never a middle ground)
7. Apple comes out with a discounted battery replacement plan as a way to smooth public image
8. Apple loyalists continue to deny any wrong doing
9. Apple plans to implement battery related CPU throttling switch (which was asked/suggested in the first few pages of this thread)
10. Apple loyalists still find a way to argue 78 pages into something that even Apple has admitted to and mitigated.

That should sum up everything for everyone. I stopped arguing very early on in this tread, and pointed out before Apple came out and admitted it that these same Apple loyalists will shift the argument, and find some way to point out how Apple was right for doing this. Way to spin, and keep it going guys/gals, I'm actually impressed by your head in the sand mentality.

Do you loyalists not realize that, if we (I am including myself, since I had it happen to my iphone 6+ and had a battery replaced at the discounted rate) just did what you suggested, not only would there be not solution for those of use with batteries slowing down our phones, a way to get Apple to change our batteries (while above 80%) and no future option to select between throttling vs battery life? It takes the general public becoming aware and becoming outraged to make a trillion dollar company change its ways. This is how things improve, and your favorite company, who can do no wrong, learns how to better serve the general public.

A more succinct and probably better summary of this thread, in particular at this point and really for a good while now would be this: why is this thread still going in the same repetitive circles?