Having traded in my 6 Plus this year because of random shutdowns/restarts and slowness, I’m just shaking my head at this. Wish I still had the phone so I could test this myself.
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Agreed, since your other thread was merged in here.
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I will see what my 7 does. Unfortunately it's on sabbatical right now while I keep trying to figure out if I'm going to keep the X I bought a few weeks ago. But I will check that out, since that could be a factor in whether I want to go back to the 7 for sure.
Remember when Apple users were all Messengers and Apologists?
It shifted when the masses got iphones... Related story: I uses to place those free apple stickers, but would never now... it's not counter-culture or a mark of exception anymore.
Remember when Apple users were all Messengers and Apologists?
Related story: I uses to place those free apple stickers, but would never now... it's not counter-culture or a mark of exception anymore.
I have to admit that I used those Apple Stickers to annoy my android coworkers. Put them on their car's back windows, back of their phones, back of their monitors, etc... Was just way too much fun.
Geekbench reports a much lower score for my 6S than for my 6:
iPhone 6 (about 2 year old battery)
Single: 1557
Multi: 2682
iPhone 6S (about 1 year old battery)
Single: 1047
Multi: 1755
iPhone 6 (about 2 year old battery)
Single: 1557
Multi: 2682
iPhone 6S (about 1 year old battery)
Single: 1047
Multi: 1755
Definitely feel like this is completely overblown and people are looking at it the wrong way. If your battery is degraded, the reason you would be throttled down would be to still be able to use your device (even if its slower) for all the tasks you'd normally do. Without throttling, your battery would essentially die quicker and you could not do most of the things you'd do during normal usage. Seems pretty easy here, get a new battery to keep your device fresh and running smoothly, though honestly it's not completely going to work because IOS continues to be updates.. older devices eventually can't keep up with new coding/enhancements. I don't see this news as big at all. There's plenty of built in fail safes to keep your devices running for a long period of time. Battery degrading is just part of using these types of devices. Though for the average joe, they'll just buy a new phone, for techy's.. they'll buy new for the latest and greatest or they'll tinker.. willing to open the device up to do the battery replacement themselves. And then there's those Apple Care advocates who can do a battery swap. Again.. not seeing a story here.
Just to be sure, my about 1 year old iPhone 6S is about half as fast as it should be (according to Geekbench) and is even slower than my two year old iPhone 6. There were no warning messages or anything like that.
You don’t see anything wrong with this? I bought a new phone because I could not stand using such a slow device and now I find out the problem could have been solved with a 90$ battery?
Nope, I don't see any issue with it. The only messages Apple provides for battery's would be low during usage (not degrading), low power mode and if its completely dead you get the red battery icon during charging. There's never been a "hey your battery might be bad, get it changed!" Though if you have used a laptop in the past, this is the exact same thing. Run off the battery at full power, it's running great. Get to 75% it starts to slow a little, 50% and below it starts to slow even more.. all the while making sure you can still do what you want to do. NOW, take the battery out of the laptop and run hardwired into the wall.. oh look full strength, everything is fast, no dimness in brightness. Obviously you can make more changes on a computer in terms of settings but Apple doesn't allow such things on their phones/ipads. They don't want you to change the battery, it's suppose to be a 1 and done type of unit. Therefore getting you to upgrade, but it isn't forced as people suggest it is. There are apps in the app store that can give a pretty accurate range of your battery's health if you want to check such a thing. As I've said a million times over.. IOS is the runner and it hasn't grown up to finish a race. Power Users are expecting things such as battery degrading information and enhancements such as Dark Mode. But Apple see's everyone on an equal playing field.. they don't care about "power users". But to say Apple should have told me they are throttling CPU power distribution because of a bad battery, come on now.. I can't see why most people who need that. It would cause a panic... as clearly shown on this board today.
On the battery capacity issue (not the battery charge level issue, which I think is very different), people are saying:
1. I bought an iPhone that performed at a certain level
2. There was a battery issue that Apple acknowledged
3. In order to conceal the battery issue and/or because Apple couldn't fully remedy the battery issue, Apple implemented changes in iOS that reduce the performance of the phone
4. Apple's "remedy" was done without the consent of - and without any notice to - affected owners.
It's like Sony or Samsung sending a firmware update for your 4K TV that reduces the display to 720p because they discovered a manufacturing or design defect, and not telling you about their "fix" for the defect.
Sorry not at all the same thing. They don't need anyone's consent to make a software update or in your case a software downgrade. BUT, you push the button you install it. People who claim otherwise don't have a clue what they are doing with their devices in the first place. Never ever ever ever set up a device and leave autoupdate on, I don't care if its a phone/ipad/tv/cars.. whatever, read before you click the button. What sony and samsung do are full automatic, you can't change it. Well now on some of their tv's you can but previously you could not. Apple gives the end user a choice to install the updates. And yes, the annoying YOUR UPDATE IS NOW READY pops up in your face sometimes but there are ways around that as well. Again people are blowing this thing way way out there, but that's what we get in a society that has clearly gotten weaker because we are no longer human dependent.. we are technology dependent and if we don't like something we don't request a change.. we run to the nearest social media and blow up about it. (and no.. I'm not saying you are doing this.. just saying you can see it even on this board.. and I love this place!)
We are -not- talking about the standard features and security update here. If the reddit facts are true, Apple sold a defective device and concealed the defect by covertly offering an OS patch to hide the defect. This is categorically different, assuming the facts are true.
In fairness, the slow cores on the A10 seem to perform as well as or better than A8 at full speed.
A10 Full Speed
Single-Core: ~3500
Multi-Core: ~5900
A10 Low Power
Single-Core: ~1800
Multi-Core: ~3100
A8 Full Speed
Single-Core: ~1500
Multi-Core: ~2500
Yeah, you either push the button to update, or you CONTINUOUSLY push the button to refuse the update, including lots of tricks by apple to get you to accept it when you didn't mean to.
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All assumptions though, there's zero proof of any of that. And again, throttling has been built into devices since the beginning of laptops. I just don't see any issue here.
In this case, Apple is forcing an unannounced virtual hardware downgrade, regardless of battery % left. They are degrading the usability of the phone, and reaping the benefits as people purchase new phones as the performance obviously degrades.
Going into battery saving mode when you are < 20% remaining on a charge would be one thing, but this is NOT that.
Yet you see nothing wrong with that?
There's no tricks, you take responsibility of the software you install. It is that simple.
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You're reaching.. I said MAKE. If I said they make an installer, don't tell you anything about it and force install then yes that would be a major no no. But that isn't what is happening here.
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What’s happening here is Apple reducing performance of the CPU by half, without telling anyone.
And you see nothing wrong with it.
Besides, you don’t upgrade, you don’t get security fixes. THAT might have something to do with it. But don’t let that little fact get in the way of some good Apple defending there, Tim.
Unfortunately you are not looking at the situation as a whole. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. There's no defending anyone other then to say there's zero conspiracy here and the allegations are just that.. allegations with no proof. And again proves what I said.. technology dependent at it's finest. Have a nice day.
Have two 16 gb iPhones 6+ in a family, both with original batteries but different usages. One with battery life around 90% and second one with battery life around 50%. If that's not a real difference than I don't know what is.
Secret feature at 10.2.1? Guess I'm going to have to replace my SE's battery sooner or just sell it and get something else like an Xperia XZ1 Compact. Removable battery and expandable storage, ftw!
Long live the LG G5 and V20. Yeah, I know FAST CHARGING depletes battery capacity faster. But their batteries are removable and uses MLC over TLC NAND.
MLC > TLC
https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-slc-mlc-and-tlc-nand-flash.html
What Apple likes to sell you is something disposable after two years once the sealed battery is degraded and your flash has been written so much, it slows down too.
Long live the LG G5 and V20. Yeah, I know FAST CHARGING depletes battery capacity faster. But their batteries are removable and uses MLC over TLC NAND.
MLC > TLC
https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-slc-mlc-and-tlc-nand-flash.html
What Apple likes to sell you is something disposable after two years once the sealed battery is degraded and your flash has been written so much, it slows down too.
Yep. It's a sketchy decision on Apple's part but the masses are far more likely to complain about atrocious battery life than some sluggishness.
The facts are everything, and a reddit thread, even a really long one, doesn't prove facts (although it is suggestive). My post is really just one possible set of facts, or interpretation of a set of facts. We'll see how this plays out, I'm sure (among other things, because there are probably a lot of people who'd love to pillory Apple over something as frankly nefarious as the case I hypothesized in my earlier post).
It's all about thinness and profits for Apple
Thin low capacity battery can't feed the power hungry cpu when when the battery's life is modestly degraded after a year or two's use. Instead replacing batteries Apple decides to secretly throttle the performance to prevent premature shutdowns by a system update.
Thin low capacity battery can't feed the power hungry cpu when when the battery's life is modestly degraded after a year or two's use. Instead replacing batteries Apple decides to secretly throttle the performance to prevent premature shutdowns by a system update.
