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Fishrrman

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Just some thoughts...

In the OP's original post, he says he has a 2009 Mac Pro.

There weren't "t2 chips" in 2009. Didn't exist yet.

IIRC, there was NO "internet recovery" in 2009, either. That didn't arrive until 2010/11.

Something else is wrong.

Get a hand truck and wheel it into the nearest Apple Store.
Let them have a look at it.
If they refuse to remove "the activation lock", you either have some learnin' to do (to resolve this problem yourself),
or
Perhaps it's time for a new Mac Studio. (take the internal drives out and access them another way)

If you want to start using your HP workstations instead, fine with me.
 

uczcret

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In the OP's original post, he says he has a 2009 Mac Pro.

OP mentioned on the previous page that he has both a 2009 and a 2019 Mac Pro. It's the 2019 one that's locked.

"Also, If I try to log into my Apple ID on my 2009 Mac Pro I get a different set of security questions than I do when I try to log into my 2019 Mac Pro - WHY is that?"
 

MarkC426

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You can't beat good old pen and paper.
Keep a copy of all your passwords in a safe place written down.....:p

If your Mac blew up/was stolen/just plain died and you have no other device you are definitely screwed.
 

avkills

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I have a password locked DMG I store that **** in. And I manually back up every few months. I do not trust Time Machine not to bork something up.
 

m1maverick

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You can't beat good old pen and paper.
Keep a copy of all your passwords in a safe place written down.....:p

If your Mac blew up/was stolen/just plain died and you have no other device you are definitely screwed.
This! I know security practitioners consider this a huge security risk but I'd rather protect against password compromise from someone thousands of miles away compared to someone in my household (I would not recommend this for any shared computing environment).
 

Fishrrman

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uczcret wrote:
"OP mentioned on the previous page that he has both a 2009 and a 2019 Mac Pro. It's the 2019 one that's locked."

OK, thanks for picking that up, I missed it. I'm missin' more stuff, lately.

But... in any case... my advice remains:
TAKE IT BACK TO APPLE.
Even if it requires a hand truck to get it there.

That may be the only way he gets this resolved.
 

MarkC426

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This! I know security practitioners consider this a huge security risk but I'd rather protect against password compromise from someone thousands of miles away compared to someone in my household (I would not recommend this for any shared computing environment).
I was inferring in a home environment....secretly stored somewhere.
Much safer than in the cloud....;)
 
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DrEGPU

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Passwords for computers have been a mess almost since they were invented and implemented. In fact, Bill Burr who originally wrote the NIST guidelines for password management regrets writing that document.

 

motorazr

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I upgraded to Big Sur from Catalina and hated it. I decided to roll back to Catalina using Time Machine. Logged into Time Machine through Command - R startup, selected a backup with Catalina and proceeded with the install.

Much to my dismay, when the install was finished, all I got was a blank screen with a spinning globe, then a blank screen with a circle that had a slash through it. Searched the net and found out the computer has been "Activation Locked" by Apple.


Slow down. You have a bad install. You need to reinstall. You can do this with command R also. Reinstall does not mean erase. Time Machine probably copied something wrong with the OS itself.

That said, by incorrectly assuming your device to be activation locked, you may have locked your Apple ID, and might have trouble going forward but have you considered taking it to a Genius Bar?
 

deconstruct60

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It IS Activation Locked. I got the circle with a slash through it, went to the web to see what that meant and it said I needed to do a restore (Command - R). Since I wasn't able to log into my Apple ID, the only option was to erase the drive and do a restore over the net. I did that screen showed a spinning globe and went through a countdown, then asked for my Apple ID and password but since my Apple ID is locked (email was closed and although I did find my Apple ID password in Chrome, I still cannot log in). The only options were send an email or answer the security questions.

The normal recovery mode ( Command - R ) is not going to ask for your Apple ID. If filevault is turned on then it can ask for an admin user for that Mac before recovery starts. If don't know that password and try to "reset the password" with AppleID ( as opposed to recovery key) then there is an Apple ID authentication involved.

There is narrow chance there is another 'bad practice' here and the Mac Pro 7,1 was set up with an macOS that has been rolled up since the era where Apple had 'bright idea' to let folks log into their Macs using their AppleID ( instead of a local account. Windows has a similar mode ).

In that case, it initially wouldn't have been the AppleID (just looked like it) , but root cause problem boiled up because went into password recovery ( which is technically different than the nominal Cmd-R recovery ).



Disk Utility was not an option after doing the Command - R startup. The only option was to Erase the disk and do an internet system recovery, which I did.

That isn't correct. Disk Utility is part of the normal recovery mode.

"...

Apps available in macOS Recovery on an Intel-based Mac​

The following apps are available in macOS Recovery on an Intel-based Mac:

...

  • Disk Utility: Repair or erase your disk. In the Recovery app, select Disk Utility, then click Continue. To return to the Recovery app, choose Disk Utility > Quit Disk Utility. See Erase and reinstall macOS.
..."
Use macOS Recovery on an Intel-based Mac - Apple Support


I don't thin the 7,1 can do "Internet recovery" , but there is a cmd-option-R ( or cmd-option-shift-R ) to reinstall a some version straight from Apple's side ( where get a subset of the normal Recovery mode ).



After doing the Internet System recovery you have to enter your Apple ID and Password, which again is locked or have an email sent or answer the security questions. (I did set up a new Apple ID with my gmail account but I can't "Add" my Mac Pro to the new account. Also, If I try to log into my Apple ID on my 2009 Mac Pro I get a different set of security questions than I do when I try to log into my 2019 Mac Pro - WHY is that?)

You can't securely "attach" a Mac remotely to a random Apple ID. Apple has to know that you have ownership possession of the Apple device to assign it to your AppleID. ( or that you/organization clearly purchased the Apple device. There is MDM management ways of doing deployment. )

The core issue is that you have screwed up your AppleID account. Your Time Machine restore pragmatically borked the drive. (if regular Cmd-R doesn't work anymore than damaged the recovery OS image in the AFPS . A small contributing factor is Apple puts the recovery image inside the APFS container. Not on a seperate partition that isn't touched by a Time Machine restore. ). The secure lock that the T2 has on this is a secondary issue.


I NEVER enabled "Find My" and yes, after it does the internet recovery it asks for my Apple ID.


Pragmatically, probably not true. Every time you do a substantive macOS upgrade or update the installation process asks for your AppleID. And Apple tends to ask if they can set Apple service setting things up for you. So first, this notion that you can ignore the decayed status of your AppleID is loopy. If Apple is asking for this over and over again, then it is probably worth paying some responsible attention to it. ( Even if you skip the AppleID at install , the OS will nag about "you should be using your AppleID " at numerous points after install in a modern macOS. )

Even if you say "skip" at install Apple tends to make changes to the Apple service settings. Even more so if do that 'blind' AppleID authentication at install. [ I always skipped AppleID at install and still will find Apple cloud services settings changed after a install or account migration. You should check your cloud service settings after every major upgrade. ]

The fact is you never gave your Mac Pro your AppleID then it never could have passed your AppleID to the Apple to put it on the locked list. Decent chance, your Mac Pro was at least made a "Trusted device" attached to your AppleID.
(whether it was done at this upgrade or previously it was attached. ). Similarly with the T2... must have given the T2 the AppleID at some point or else it couldn't use it as a authentication token for it.
 
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dawnrazor

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Winding this all the way back to the OP... You hated Catalina? what, why...Is it really that different compared to Big Sur? If you had said that some software or other wasn't supported by Catalina then fine, I mean check that out beforehand but to say you hated Catalina is ridiculous, sure there are things about every OS that can grind the gears but I have never wanted to roll back to a previous generation of OS... ever... anyway as you were, good luck... you'll hate Monterey too
 
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th0masp

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( Even if you skip the AppleID at install , the OS will nag about "you should be using your AppleID " at numerous points after install in a modern macOS. )
Is that really true? I checked on all my machines which have been each upgraded several times: Apple-ID not associated on a single one as far as I can see (empty field in iCloud preferences). I don't think I have ever been prompted to update anything.

Assuming here that Mojave is still considered 'modern'. ?
 

goMac

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Is that really true? I checked on all my machines which have been each upgraded several times: Apple-ID not associated on a single one as far as I can see (empty field in iCloud preferences). I don't think I have ever been prompted to update anything.

Assuming here that Mojave is still considered 'modern'. ?

I've been reprompted to enter my Apple ID information quite a bit after upgrading. Although maybe that's a post Mojave thing.
 

orionquest

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Is that really true? I checked on all my machines which have been each upgraded several times: Apple-ID not associated on a single one as far as I can see (empty field in iCloud preferences). I don't think I have ever been prompted to update anything.

Assuming here that Mojave is still considered 'modern'. ?
My aTV always nags me for a login information, it's quite annoying. Even interrupts me from watching whatever I am watching. I've tried to uninstall a bunch of apps to find out what might be triggering it, no luck yet.
 

m1maverick

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While not specifically macOS this is a screen capture from my iPad Air 4. As you can see iMessages is alerting me for some action. That action is to log in with my Apple ID. I don't use iMessages and therefore I don't want to log in to iMessages. Yet the alert sits there.

All companies need to stop trying to force cloud connectivity on us. Microsoft is the worst offender with Windows 11 Home.
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Cognizant.

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While not specifically macOS this is a screen capture from my iPad Air 4. As you can see iMessages is alerting me for some action. That action is to log in with my Apple ID. I don't use iMessages and therefore I don't want to log in to iMessages. Yet the alert sits there.

All companies need to stop trying to force cloud connectivity on us. Microsoft is the worst offender with Windows 11 Home. View attachment 2011474
That goes away if you click on it and choose not to do that. You can also turn off iMessages entirely if you don't want to use it. They're not forcing anything on you. If for some bizarre reason you want to use the inferior SMS only, that's entirely up to you.
 
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m1maverick

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That goes away if you click on it and choose not to do that. You can also turn off iMessages entirely if you don't want to use it. They're not forcing anything on you. If for some bizarre reason you want to use the inferior SMS only, that's entirely up to you.
Great! Where?
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