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michelmike

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3D buildings will typically only show up on local roads, unless you're in an area with "City Experience" detail. On highways, it zooms out to a point where buildings will not appear.

But you should always be seeing buildings on local roads. How large is your car's screen?
Ive got a 1 series BMW with a 10,5 inch screen. I rarely had 3D Buildings on local roads.
 

michelmike

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So after driving a bit with carplay, here is what im thinking:

The camera angle sucks. There was a discussion in this thread about the camera angles in the iOS 15 betas I think. And Im pretty sure you guys said, that you pretty much always get the 3D buildings. Thats not my experience. (15.5 B2) While driving I only saw 3D buildings sometimes and mostly while making a turn (Top down view). Now im always zooming in one time to get the 3D buildings to show up, even tho thats kinda low for Autobahn driving.

Other than thats its an amazing improvement and I hope many more regions can be mapped soon.
Btw. its fixed now. I downgraded to 15.4.1 and now it seems to be normal.

Here are some sceenshots on 15.5 B2:
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When I zoomed in once, I had 3D buildings.
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15.4.1:
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So it was either a weird bug, or they changed something in 15.5.
 
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MozMan68

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Btw. its fixed now. I downgraded to 15.4.1 and now it seems to be normal.

Here are some sceenshots on 15.5 B2:
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When I zoomed in once, I had 3D buildings.
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15.4.1:
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So it was either a weird bug, or they changed something in 15.5.

The only thing the iOS levels affect are certain features like bike directions, AR directions etc.

But yes, we have seen various visual aspects of Maps change throughout beta releases all last year, so you may be correct. Generally speaking though, Maps should react and look the same for everyone on a public released version of iOS.
 
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G1Ravage

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Btw. its fixed now. I downgraded to 15.4.1 and now it seems to be normal.

Here are some sceenshots on 15.5 B2:
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When I zoomed in once, I had 3D buildings.
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15.4.1:
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So it was either a weird bug, or they changed something in 15.5.
I seem to recall that when the iOS 15 beta was in testing, that Moz was experiencing buildings not appearing, or only appearing for part of a trip. That was eventually ironed out.

I see you have tiny POI icons, which we're still dealing with as well. lol
 
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MozMan68

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Tried flipping back and forth between AM and GM last night on my way to the airport with some interesting results as well as continuing to be amazed at some of the detail AM provides during routing.


The lane guidance info provided in the detailed maps is pretty amazing. Turning South off 42nd street, Maps knows you won’t (or shouldn’t) turn wide into the left lane, but does let you know early on that you should move left since you will need to turn left a few blocks up to head through the Midtown Tunnel.
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AM actually kept proper positioning through the tunnel…not always as good as it was this time, but it does show movement. I have to assume they use some sort of algorithm to measure traffic speed as there is definitely no GPS signal in there.
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Google still sits near the entrance to the tunnel where it loses the signal and then suddenly catches up when exiting.
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Hmmmmm…We hit traffic and Apple Maps is saying I’ll arrive at 6:21 pm still and Google says 25 minutes later…I wonder which one will end up being correct?? ;)

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And I don't want to start a whole thing again about Google traffic red versus Apple red, etc., but my opinion, Apple’s yellow here is more representative of what I was experiencing….traffic, yes, but moving along. Red to me really means “stop and go”. Google shows red nearly the entire trip and I don;t think we even stopped due to traffic except when everyone was cutting over to exit certain roads.

Also, love how this pic shows not only the detail I love so much, but Apple’s way of showing more of the actual route versus Google’s “always pointing in the same direction so you are now seeing a lot of the map that has nothing to do with your route” method.

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Both do a good job of providing terminal choices when selecting directions, so they both got me right to where I needed to go…Google gets a half point more for defining departures versus arrivals, but I don’t think that is needed in most cases since that is usually the last “split” in the road when arriving at the terminal.

I was also having some conversations with co-workers about AM versus GM, and two of them said they don’t use AM still because of the horrible launch…when it first came out! I told them to open it and look…and look out the window…and check the subway stations they use. Needless to say, they were blown away.

I think once LookAround has wide release in the USA, Apple needs to go on a PR spree with commercials and everything so people at least see what they are missing.


EDIT: Yes, GM did update it's ETA down to closely match AM, but still a couple of minutes later. But if you look at my first pic with AM right after I left on my trip, AM shows 6:24 ETA. The only reason we arrived closer to 6:22 was my crazy taxi driver staying left up until the exit a couple of times and then cutting across 3 lanes to squeeze in like a jerk...hah!
 
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Speedman100

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Yo MozMan, I’m not 100% sure about this, but regarding Google Maps not knowing where you are in the tunnel: do you have Bluetooth access turned off for Google Maps in privacy settings? I believe the way navigation apps are able to track you through tunnels is by using Bluetooth beacons. So maybe that’s the difference between Apple and Google Maps for you.
 
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MozMan68

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Yo MozMan, I’m not 100% sure about this, but regarding Google Maps not knowing where you are in the tunnel: do you have Bluetooth access turned off for Google Maps in privacy settings? I believe the way navigation apps are able to track you through tunnels is by using Bluetooth beacons. So maybe that’s the difference between Apple and Google Maps for you.

Could be…it was indeed off.

I’ve turned it on and will check next time I go through. Thanks!
 

G1Ravage

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That's one of the big advantages of plugging into CarPlay in the car...the accuracy of the GPS positioning, especially in tunnels, is much better. Usually perfect.

Where I sometimes experience and odd issue, is when my car's GPS randomly decides my car has skipped over a few hundred feet to the side, and Apple Maps decides to follow suit, as it's plugged into the same sensors/wheel rotation data. Tends to happen when my car goes over a bad bump in just the right way, or if my tire spins a bit on something slick.
 
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calmelb

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I did a breakdown of everything that Apple has updated in terms of Maps on its iOS and iPadOS Feature Availability page recently. Major expansions of traffic data and congestion zones to name a few of them.
Just a quick thing, Christchurch is in New Zealand not Australia!
 

G1Ravage

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Speaking of routings…I was playing around with bicycle routings, and discovered this warning for the first time. Maps specified an area where it believed you would need to walk your bike.

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Also, I experienced something while driving I had never seen before. I setup a route and was already driving on it. A few minutes later, Maps zoomed out and warned me that a portion of my route was now closed, and so Maps was giving me a new route to get around the closure.

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Benni14

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Small feedback from Apple maps. I was on a weekend with friends. On the way back, we had two cars. I used Apple Maps as usual. My wife used Google maps. As a result, my wife lost 15 minutes. There were two accidents on the highway so Apple maps offered me an alternative. On the contrary, Google maps continued on the highway. I specify that I am in Brazil and Apple therefore does not have its own map data here unlike Google Maps (the data is two to 7 months old). I realize that Apple maps has a lot of room for improvement if Apple decides to collect images here.
 

G1Ravage

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I still enjoy when Maps tells me a better route is available. Got to my destination eight minutes earlier than originally expected!

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Below, I wonder why we randomly see the blue route line going nuts like this.

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MozMan68

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I was originally on the straight north route up the Hutchinson River Parkway to the Cross County Parkway. I was re-routed to the Bronx River Parkway a few minutes after departing.
Sorry...I totally missed what you were referring to in your pic until I looked again right now. My guess is that it is a lane-specific "detailed city" glitch of some sort?
 
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