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It also does not enable broad-brush snooping. The law requires a judge to sign off on a warrant for access and the authorities must provide specific reasons for requesting access on a case by case basis. In other words, the person must be a person of interest in a suitably serious incident.

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With no transparency or right of appeal? As for your 'case-by-case' basis, how do we know that a stack of papers doesn't arrive at the judge's desk and they just wave their hands? In the UK I once got an official letter threatening me with bailiffs coming and taking my possessions. Why? Because the local council accounting software had a rounding error and undercharged me by 2 pence on council tax. The stamp for the letter informing me about the bailiffs cost multiple times that amount. Yet a judge/magistrate signed the order anyway. You cannot assume judges working in public view are doing a good job, let alone those working without public scrutiny or accountability.
 
You know all the things you don't just post openly and publicly, not because they're nefarious or illegal but simply embarrassing, private, or just plain nobody else's business? Those things.
So where do you post these things? I say nothing privately I wouldn't say in public. What service do you use you now feel is compromised? I think this really is a non-story, just as ADP was a non-story in the first place.
 
I left the UK 6 years ago, but because my Apple ID was created in the UK (15 years ago!) I'm still affected by it.

So now if I want to use ADP, I will need to switch my account from UK to another country - potentially losing access to hundreds of previously purchased movies, TV series, apps, etc. Oh, and also switch my entire family, and somehow migrate all the iCloud data and HomeKit automation...
This is the UK's fault
 
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If you are going to write to your MP then it is recommended that you should include your address to show you are a constituent. From personal experience they don’t care if they don’t know you are a constituent.
 
I'm in the UK and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I wasn't even aware of ADP. Nobody I know is aware of it either. What sort of things are people doing that they feel they need such security?
“I don't care about losing privacy because I have nothing to hide” is no different to saying
“I don't care about losing free speech because I have nothing to say”
 
Not buying this argument. You do not sacrifice the privacy of all to try to catch a few bad actors. Freedom has costs and there will be a few casualties along the way.
My privacy has not been compromised. Not even a little. What do you guys put on iCloud? I hardly use it, preferring to set up my own services. Eggs in one basket and all that .
 
“I don't care about losing privacy because I have nothing to hide” is no different to saying
“I don't care about losing free speech because I have nothing to say”
I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying is that I'd never trust one company for all my security. I have never been all-in on the Apple ecosystem.
 
Backdoor. That's Tim Cook's Apple.
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Isn't the request for access to icloud data WORLDWIDE? My understanding is that by Apple just removing ADP from the UK, they are still not compliant. Reading the 2016 IPA it states that if the company operates in any uk market, then it is bound.

Simple removing ADP does not relieve Apple from this, they would need to entirely pull out of the UK market for every product. Unless of course they have struck some kind of deal with the UK govt.
 
Will also be emailing my local MP. Again like said above I don't expect anything to happen but it's better than nothing.
I will be too, but every single time I have emailed my MPs over the years to express my disgust about these blatant violations of right to privacy, I receive the same canned response about it being to fight terrorism or stop nonces and I expect the exact same this time.
 
Apple already complies with court orders to hand over un-encrypted data, but data protected by ADP isn't accessible by Apple so they would just say "We can't, sorry". The UK wanted Apple to make a backdoor to be able to hand over that data too.

Yeah but the initial reporting was that the UK wanted that access for every user on the planet. So I don't see how pulling ADP from the UK would satisfy the government.
 
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Isn't the request for access to icloud data WORLDWIDE? My understanding is that by Apple just removing ADP from the UK, they are still not compliant. Reading the 2016 IPA it states that if the company operates in any uk market, then it is bound.

Simple removing ADP does not relieve Apple from this, they would need to entirely pull out of the UK market for every product. Unless of course they have struck some kind of deal with the UK govt.
Then Apple will pull it self from the UK. They UK does not have the right to spy on any pother citizen but their own.
 
In case anyone is curious. Our resident punching bag Tim Sweeney thinks apple should have compiled with this order and is trashing apple for taking a stand.. I am sure Sweeney would have bashed apple had they complied instead...

(and yes, the good ol bots in the replies are praising Sweeney for calling out apple...

*Reposted with the updated tweet from tim
 
Apple regularly ignores the law. It's incredibly disappointing that they're willing to do so when it harms consumers (all the non-compliance they've done over the years about in-app purchases and alternative app stores) but that they won't ignore the law when doing so would be beneficial to their customers.
If you’re referring to the poorly worded and vague DMA, it’s BECAUSE it’s poorly worded and vague that Apple can adhere to the law without implementing a solution the way the government wanted them to. The government COULD have clearly defined the results they wanted in the law, even as far as defining that something like the CTF will be forbidden (they have a clause that specifically allows for the CTF), but they would never have gotten enough countries to sign onto a law written to that level of specificity.

The UK has made it very clear that they if Apple provides encryption services to their citizens, they should do so in a way that allows Apple to still provide them that data as requested. They’re demanding that Apple holds the keys. They’re very clear in what they want to happen and how they want it to happen, and Apple chose to hold the keys as the UK requires for their citizens. There’s little comparison between this and a law that defines a gatekeeper as “whatever we want it to be on a given day”.

So it seems to me that the digital equivalent would be that Apple could receive a warrant forcing them to handover the encrypted data, but they'd be under no obligation to help decrypt it.
Except what the UK has defined as “acceptable” under the law would NOT be that. Unlike the DMA, they’re very clear on this.
 
I will be too, but every single time I have emailed my MPs over the years to express my disgust about these blatant violations of right to privacy, I receive the same canned response about it being to fight terrorism or stop nonces and I expect the exact same this time.
Careful, under the recently enacted anti protest laws just disagreeing with a government policy or law in writing may get you 5 to 10 in Belmarsh.
 
Isn't the request for access to icloud data WORLDWIDE? My understanding is that by Apple just removing ADP from the UK, they are still not compliant. Reading the 2016 IPA it states that if the company operates in any uk market, then it is bound.

Simple removing ADP does not relieve Apple from this.

Good luck enforcing that. The UK no longer has an empire and can't dictate what other parts of the world do.
 
In case anyone is curious. Our resident punching bag Tim Sweeney thinks apple should have compiled with this order and is trashing apple for taking a stand.. I am sure Sweeney would have bashed apple had they complied instead...

(and yes, the good ol bots in the replies are praising Sweeney for calling out apple...

*Reposted with the updated tweet from tim
That dude has lost his mind
 
Here's the killer, you can't move your iCloud region even if you cancel everything without giving up your apple care too.
 
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