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Apple Pulls Encrypted iCloud Security Feature in UK Amid Government Backdoor Demands
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Wwoowww.. what the hell! How does that now affect me as a Brit, my mum, my sister, Briton law, niece, nephew.. ALL using Apple devices!
Disgusted Apple has caved in and done this. Utterly disgusted also I'm very confused exactly what the government will do with this? It won't see any iMessages, or screen FaceTime calls?
What is the fascist Labour government up to...
And the news just said the government will need a court order to gain access which I thought they would anyway?
Disgusted Apple has caved in and done this. Utterly disgusted also I'm very confused exactly what the government will do with this? It won't see any iMessages, or screen FaceTime calls?
What is the fascist Labour government up to...
And the news just said the government will need a court order to gain access which I thought they would anyway?
So regarding messages, will this affect you if you have activated "Messages in iCloud"? Or would it only be affected if you back up your messages as part of your iPhone backup, i.e. turn off "Messages in iCloud"? (these two options are different)
Remember folks
You can always vote with your wallet and stop using Apple devices completely!
(that's what I'm routinely told if I'm ever critical of Apple or Tim Cook
You can always vote with your wallet and stop using Apple devices completely!
(that's what I'm routinely told if I'm ever critical of Apple or Tim Cook
They haven’t reconsidered any of the other things they’ve done against peoples interests, so don’t expect them to start now.
I'd imagine that the settings depend on your device's region, not your actual location.
You'll want to turn off Messages in iCloud I'm pretty sure ... but I'd look into this more if I were you
The previous mad right wing regime was no different
Oh please. Don't be ridiculous. This paranoid hysteria that the left keeps peddling is highly unlikely to ever materialize in the way you all keep insisting it will.
I’m in a similar position. I left the UK a long time ago, but I still have family there that I share an Apple One Premier account with. It’s shocking that to switch my account to one from another country I’d lose all my purchases and have to leave that group. These kinds of little edge cases always make me think Apple don’t ever consider how people outside the US move around so freely. I know so many people who don’t live in their home countries here, and many of them are stuck with accounts from their original country, dealing with similar problems.
I would hope that the people clamoring for social media to root out “disinformation” welcome this step by the the U.K. government. I will make the government so much more effective at rooting out “disinformation.”
He never had one to begin with...
He would have gone after them regardless of what move they made... Dude would rather be the leader of the anti apple movement then make a single cogent argument
I was going to type abow't canada being part of the British monarchy
but don't want to loose my health benefits up north!
go -xpos!
They were NOT right wing in the slightest, they were as left as this lot only pretended to be Right. When the Conservatives did a coalition deal with the Liberal Democrat's, the leader of which at the time was Nick Clegg who went on to be a high level executive for Facebook, many Conservative MP's joined the Lib Dem's and vice versa.
I'm not defending the way the law has been written. I'm simply explaining it. Please don't misunderstand my position on this. I suspect, as you do, that a great many IPA warrants are unjustified, and no one will ever know.
They've already strong armed apple into removing protection for uk customers. Not bad for a country that isn't an empire.
Essentially Apple are forced to comply with this request, or withdraw entirely from the uk market. They have done a halfway house measure by only removing ADP which i am worried means that are compliant for the rest of the world.
Sure because in the UK people are not arrested and jailed for posting things online the government disagrees with.... what you say is paranoid happens every day in the UK right now.
Hence why this is VERY worrying.. you know you can have a 'none crime hate crime' made against you in the UK, this can go on a record that potential employers can see, but yet you may NEVER know about it as their is no law that states you have to be told about it.
The UK is not a free speech or opinion country.
The United Kingdom is not a disgrace, it’s an amazing country full of great people. The United Kingdom Government is a disgrace. A small but important difference!
What's the alternative?
I'm presuming the UK govt hasn't asked Google/Android for this because they already have it.
While I'm not a Brit myself, I do try to keep up at least at a high level with the politics of other countries - especially our major allies, trade partners, and adversaries - and my understanding is that the Labor and Tory parties both have devolved quite a bit in recent years, no? I was also under the impression that there exist factions in each party that have been pushing hard for an increased surveillance state.
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Or..... it could be that Apple is "boxing clever" as we say here in the UK. Maybe they have taken this step - blocking new users - but not yet kicking out existing users, to see what happens next.
By preventing new UK users access to ADP and ultimately forcing existing UK users to turn it off, they are still not fully compliant with the requirements of IPA.
Should a foreign national, whilst under the jurisdiction of UK law, come under suspicion and be person of interest to the authorities, Apple would still have to in a position to comply with an IPA request. But Apple isn't turning off ADP for users foreign to the UK. So.... then what?
I'm hoping that Apple has done this to raise the issue with their UK user base and generate some blow back for the UK government, perhaps in the hope that the outcry, if indeed there is one, will force the government to reconsider? One can only hope.
You've made the exact point
It's the point we all make, all the time, when talking about the duopoly situation in the world and why our only recourse in many cases is regulation that protects consumers as we functionally have no choices -- to your exact point
Apple can't be compliant outside the UK where ADP is switched on. Even in the UK, people who already have ADP turned on cannot have their data turned over until Apple forces each user to turn it off and decrypt it themselves. So do not worry until you hear your own government imposes their own laws based on this.