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Apple should be arrested for daylight robbery [MERGED]

sracer said:
The 2018 iPad has stereo speakers.

"value" is in the eye of the beholder. For some, both the 10.5 iPad Pro and 2018 iPad are so close in functionality that the 10.5 Pro doesn't warrant 2x the price. If Pro-Motion and such are important, then the 10.5 prices seems more reasonable.
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The 2018 iPad does not have stereo speakers.

My response was to the person I was replying to saying the screens were the same between the iPad and the Pro. They are not. I never discussed value and I find your comment pretty random in that regard.
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Marzel said:
Yes but both devices offer almost the exact same features (including pen support) and essentially you pay 300 dollars (almost the cost of a second iPad) for trivial improvements. I do value build quality and other small features but in this case I don’t think the differences are big enough to justify paying double.
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That’s entirely your opinion. For others, like myself, the difference in screen quality and the stereo speakers warrant the price difference.
 
blairh said:
The 2018 iPad does not have stereo speakers.
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I don't know why you are insisting that the 2018 iPad doesn't have stereo speakers... it's right there on Apple's site.
https://www.apple.com/ipad-9.7/specs/

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sracer said:
Ah, so brushing off being flat out wrong about stereo speakers. ok. thanks.
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You know honestly I’m not. You are right on a technicality and that matters for absolutely nothing. The speakers on the Pro absolutely blow away the 9.7’s. That’s what matters in the end. Also I personally made the mistake because I always think of stereo sound as coming from different directions like on the new iPhone’s versus one direction.
 
sracer said:
You are entitled to your opinion, and although the concept of the ethics within the context of a free-market commercial transaction is a bit odd, I was prepared to give it serious consideration until your closing comment. There's so many qualifiers in it as to be a non-statement. So if you are not currently taking action that reflects your ethics, what ARE you saying? :confused:
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I grant you that it’s a broad statement. I’m not only speaking about Apple. I’m talking about corporatism in general. Apple is just becoming a poignant example now. I guess my point is that I don’t trust a “market” to regulate itself. The market is an amoral thing that seeks one end: profit. I’m not completely comfortable with where that leads.

My last comment was just an addendum. Right now, I don’t feel pushed enough to move to an alternative company’s products. However, I will certainly not be able to purchase as much or as frequently as in the past.
 
When you start pricing technically inferior products to that of more powerful larger products, then you have a recipe for greed.
 
laptech said:
When you start pricing technically inferior products to that of more powerful larger products, then you have a recipe for greed.
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iPhones have traditionally had higher mark up compared to iPads. Iirc, Apple can get away with that pricing because most phones in the US are purchased through contract or installment plans while iPads are typically paid one-time, in full. This isn't exactly something new.
 
ukms said:
With respect what do you know about business etc to say they should keep the price the same ? .... what do you base the figure £20- £50 on ? ... a figure you have plucked from your arse ? Or based on a valid calculation ?
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Have you got sales figures to back this up ? .... or a wild guess
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Please do not question my experience with business, you have no idea what my background in business is and I don’t have to explain myself to you. You're now ignored.
 
ThatiPhoneKid said:
Please do not question my experience with business, you have no idea what my background in business is and I don’t have to explain myself to you. You're now ignored.
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You are right you don’t need to explain yourself .... although you seem fairly vocal in your views so not unreasonable for someone to question them ...... I think I can guess your experience in business from that reply :)
 
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blairh said:
You know honestly I’m not. You are right on a technicality and that matters for absolutely nothing. The speakers on the Pro absolutely blow away the 9.7’s. That’s what matters in the end. Also I personally made the mistake because I always think of stereo sound as coming from different directions like on the new iPhone’s versus one direction.
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bruh, it's not a technicality... It's a definition. Stereo means 2 or more sources for sound. Why is it so hard for people to just say "my bad, I was wrong" or even just a simple "oops!" at the very least?
 
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gorkt said:
These threads crack me up. Half of you complaining about the price will end up buying one a few weeks later once you see one.

I do agree they are going down a path of premium pricing, but a lot of companies are. Increasing inequality means that you are non-competitive if you don’t market for it. Think of the iPad 2018 as the everyday model for the middle class, the Pro is higher level tech at a higher level price.

I think we are just used to Apple making less products per category for a broader market, which made middle class people feel good about having the same phone as the wealthy trader on Wall Street. Now we have different level phones and people see it as a status thing.
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The big problem with this segmentation is that Apple (and other companies as well) are charging a premium for advances in tech that should come for the same price as the previous products. It is as if tech improvements had stopped in time, and the only way to get better products is to pay more for them.

I have no objection if Apple releases a 20-inch iPad Pro with more features and asking a higher price. My problem is Apple updating the current iPad Pro and turning a “common product” into a “premium” one just by raising the prices. And keeping last year’s model at the same price point as before, as if it still represented cutting-edge technology.

I am not against Apple making more premium products for the wealthy trader of Wall Street. He can have an iPhone carved in a diamond if he wishes. But I have a problem if Apple picks a new version of an existing product and makes it so expensive that only a few can buy it, and then puts a lesser product on the same price point.

I have to add that in my country an iPhone XS Max already costs half of the average monthly income of the 1% wealthiest people. And we are talking about the 8th largest economy in the world, and the 2nd in America after the U.S. With these increasing prices, Apple may end up making U.S. citizens happy, but alienating the rest of the world from buying its products.
 
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skaertus said:
I have to add that in my country an iPhone XS Max already costs half of the average monthly income of the 1% wealthiest people. And we are talking about the 8th largest economy in the world, and the 2nd in America after the U.S. With these increasing prices, Apple may end up making U.S. citizens happy, but alienating the rest of the world from buying its products.
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I doubt many US citizens (who are iPad Pro buyers) are particularly happy about the price increase either, even if they still do consider it worth the asking price. :p
 
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The prices on the latest Apple products are extreme and ensure that there are massive profits that the executives bet to pocket and bonuses to buy lots of personal toys. However, they are not robbery. We consumers have the choice to not buy them.

What is criminal is the way the apple executives have found ways to avoid paying taxes in the country they live and work in. The country that ensures through government services that they are safe and have protected to make the huge profits they do. Those taxes fund government services that protect the health of their family members from food poisoning or epidemics. Those taxes fund research for vaccines that protect their health.
 
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lowkey said:
You poor thing :(

I'll be getting the 12.9" with a pencil 2 for work the day they are released here in Australia [7.11].

I'm an architect, and the time its going to save me by marking up directly onto PDFs with a pencil, rather than printing/marking up/scanning and then issuing is going to pay itself off in 10 hours of charge out time. It doesn't really matter what it costs for the productivity increase, because its time that is costly...not equipment.
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In fairness, marking up PDF files can easily be done on the entry level iPad 2018 or any old iPad Pro too.
 
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laptech said:
When you start pricing technically inferior products to that of more powerful larger products, then you have a recipe for greed.
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No no. It’s called marketing. Same display? I think not. It’s Liquid Retina. Best display ever.
 
kazmac said:
And this is partly why I will always wait for steep sales on iPad Pros going forward. Not worth it.

As I said in another thread, I found out the hard way that no iPad is worth $900 and up to me.
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I agree. I won’t pay more than 899.99 for mine. And nope you can’t keep the change on that
 
ericwn said:
In fairness, marking up PDF files can easily be done on the entry level iPad 2018 or any old iPad Pro too.
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Thats true, but a screen equivalent to A5 isn't really that great given most go our drawings are at least A3 and often A1.
But drawing in Concepts and Trace is going to be a lot easier on the bigger screen.

I think a lot of people complaining about the price may not need the Pro model, but would be better off with the plain iPad.
 
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