Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[RoboWarriorSr]

You have no idea what your talking about.android has always been a full generation ahead of apple in soc and cpus.

just look at the exynos in the gs2 it was the first soc to use a pure bread cortex a9 core and the gs4 with the exynos 5 is the first and only phone in the world that is using next gen architecture and is the only phone using a true arm a15 power house and not a hybrid core.

not even the snapdragon 800 that is do this winter can compete clock for clock performance with the true arm a15 cores in the gs4.

samsung has always been first to use next gen cores and always used true reference designs right from the makers of arm

do you think the 5s can out perform the pure reference design of the people that made the architecture in the first place?

I dont see apple using any a15 big little socs and the is the latest and greatest from arm . Android has always been ahead in soc designs and just look at the gs3.it came out way before the iphone 5 and a month after the iphone 5 came out we had the first exynos 5 dual core that used a next gen a15 architecture in the nexus 10 and now we have an octa core version of that soc in the gs4

the exynos 5 octa in the gs4 is the first phone to use ddr3 for its memory controller also,I dont see any apple socs using ddr3 but ohh wait didnt samsung build all there socs lmfao

id also like to add that samsung sold its a15 dual core dev kit 2 weeks after the iphone 5 came out for developers to start coding for the next gen soc.

Andandtech benchmarks say otherwise. The A5 had a better SOC than the GS3, Mali 400 isn't even close to the MP2. Also what happened to the Exynos GS3, haven't seen/heard anything from them nor the GS4 Exynos. Anandtech doesn't have any solid benchmarks for those SOCs.

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Yea I agree. I love how people always want to bring specs up with iPhones and androids. You will never win with that, but Apple is not trying to do that, people stop trying to say they are. What iPhones do so well at is doing more with less. Look at the iphone 5. It has a 1.3GHz A6 that keeps up with 1.5GHz quad core phones. I think this comes down to iOS and android. iOS is a much lighter OS than android, and that dual core can keep right up. Android on the other hand has got a lot going on at one time, and can be taxing. It needs a bigger processor to run smooth. To start talking about specs for an Apple user is not the smartest thing. Android right now has better insides, but ios still keeps up with less. Just the way iOS is optimized.

While I agree one can't compare specs between Android and iPHones (Just took off the facts off of Anandtech and it wasn't my thread) just to remind you Clock speeds aren't everything. The AMD Bulldozer(the latest one) can go over 9 GHz overclock but the Intel Ivybridge could go 5 GHz overclock and still be superior.

 

[skratch77]

Andandtech benchmarks say otherwise. The A5 had a better SOC than the GS3, Mali 400 isn't even close to the MP2. Also what happened to the Exynos GS3, haven't seen/heard anything from them nor the GS4 Exynos. Anandtech doesn't have any solid benchmarks for those SOCs.

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While I agree one can't compare specs between Android and iPHones (Just took off the facts off of Anandtech and it wasn't my thread) just to remind you Clock speeds aren't everything. The AMD Bulldozer(the latest one) can go over 9 GHz overclock but the Intel Ivybridge could go 5 GHz overclock and still be superior.

Gee did you ever think the iPhone 5 came out after the gs3 and the Mali 400 was also in the gs2 if I'm not mistaken

Please tell me what phone from apple right now has a faster and more powerful CPU and GPU then the exynos 5 in the gs4?

The gs2 has the same exact soc with 2 cores instead of 4 that the note 2 has.Apple is still using dual cores and has yet to even go quad while Samsung is using next gen a15 big little with 8 total cores and the first phone to use ddr3 memory.

How exactly is apple ahead of android in soc designs?

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

Gee did you ever think the iPhone 5 came out after the gs3 and the Mali 400 was also in the gs2 if I'm not mistaken

Please tell me what phone from apple right now has a faster and more powerful CPU and GPU then the exynos 5 in the gs4?

uhh, I was comparing the GS3 to a iP4S a much older device. You did say that Android tend to have a better SOC compared to Apple products.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/4
Can't find a benchmark for Exynos 5 but here is the GPU benchmark for A6x. Can't read emotion (neither can you)over internet but just telling here's for a healthy conversation

Yeah definitely can't find "official" benchmarks (ones with final software builds) for GS4

Here's a forum in Anandtech discussing the A6 vs A15 cores interesting to say the least.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2278501

 

[skratch77]

uhh, I was comparing the GS3 to a iP4S a much older device. You did say that Android tend to have a better SOC compared to Apple products.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/4
Can't find a benchmark for Exynos 5 but here is the GPU benchmark for A6x. Can't read emotion (neither can you)over internet but just telling here's for a healthy conversation

Yeah definitely can't find "official" benchmarks (ones with final software builds) for GS4

Here's a forum in Anandtech discussing the A6 vs A15 cores interesting to say the least.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2278501

I'm not following you here.where exactly does apple lead in CPU and soc design that android is following.if you look up and read who I quoted you will see who is leading in soc design.

Where again is anything from apple using arm ccortex's next gen architecture? Where is any quad core soc from apple and where is any soc from apple using ddr3 memory sub system.

If Samsung wanted to they could of made the big little just a quad core and used the rest of the space to double the GPU cores.you are comparing an iPad soc that just has a massive GPU side to it.if you ran that GPU on an exynos 5 soc and gave those GPU cores the higher bandwidth of the DDR 3 memory system it would of ran at least 2x faster with twice the bandwidth given to the gpu

Let's now talk about GPU powa! Take a peak on Google what the tegra 4 soc is doing with its purebred a15 cores and its massive GPU power house.what does apple have that can compete with that soc?

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

I'm not following you here.where exactly does apple lead in CPU and soc design that android is following.if you look up and read who I quoted you will see who is leading in soc design.

Where again is anything from apple using arm ccortex's next gen architecture? Where is any quad core soc from apple and where is any soc from apple using ddr3 memory sub system.

If Samsung wanted to they could of made the big little just a quad core and used the rest of the space to double the GPU cores.you are comparing an iPad soc that just has a massive GPU side to it.if you ran that GPU on an exynos 5 soc and gave those GPU cores the higher bandwidth of the DDR 3 memory system it would of ran at least 2x faster with twice the bandwidth given to the gpu

Let's now talk about GPU powa! Take a peak on Google what the tegra 4 soc is doing with its purebred a15 cores and its massive GPU power house.what does apple have that can compete with that soc?

Let's take A15 out of the question because at it's current state, it won't be used on Mobile. Even ARM admitted that this was going to be a power consuming SOC and it isn't even out yet. This is suggesting that multitasking is important. The A6x only has 2 core and the consensus among the Anandtech forums suggest that it is superior. This is much like the difference between AMD and Intel. Another main problem we have here is incomplete benchmarks. It doesn't seem like that particular exynos is in production so it wouldn't be fair to count it in since it won't be seen under user hands. The issue with the A6x GPU is the proprietary system so it is hard to pinpoint the reason why it is 2x superior than the A5x making it harder to compare with other devices. So far I've heard that Tegra 4 is superior but is bottlenecked by a few major design flaws (haven't heard much news about tegra 4). I'm not too sure what GPU the A15 is suppose to ship with when it becomes more power efficient. It has been agreed among many communities that SGX543MP4 is the best graphic chip avaliable and Apple is the only company to use it other than Sony (Vita uses the MP6). I agree with you that the Tegra 4 may upseat Apple in their dominance after hearing much news about them (Nvidia is a Graphic card company). The main reason behind all of this seems to be the HIGH thermal yield experienced by Exynos and Snapdragon which is the reason behind teh low benchmarks. They underclock quite a lot to counter this.

 

[bmac4]

Let's take A15 out of the question because at it's current state, it won't be used on Mobile. Even ARM admitted that this was going to be a power consuming SOC and it isn't even out yet. This is suggesting that multitasking is important. The A6x only has 2 core and the consensus among the Anandtech forums suggest that it is superior. This is much like the difference between AMD and Intel. Another main problem we have here is incomplete benchmarks. It doesn't seem like that particular exynos is in production so it wouldn't be fair to count it in since it won't be seen under user hands. The issue with the A6x GPU is the proprietary system so it is hard to pinpoint the reason why it is 2x superior than the A5x making it harder to compare with other devices. So far I've heard that Tegra 4 is superior but is bottlenecked by a few major design flaws (haven't heard much news about tegra 4). I'm not too sure what GPU the A15 is suppose to ship with when it becomes more power efficient. It has been agreed among many communities that SGX543MP4 is the best graphic chip avaliable and Apple is the only company to use it other than Sony (Vita uses the MP6). I agree with you that the Tegra 4 may upseat Apple in their dominance after hearing much news about them (Nvidia is a Graphic card company). The main reason behind all of this seems to be the HIGH thermal yield experienced by Exynos and Snapdragon which is the reason behind teh low benchmarks. They underclock quite a lot to counter this.

Alright you guys can keep getting all technical with all this stuff, but really it means nothing. iOS is a much lighter OS than android. It's processor does not have to be anything close to something on android. You can spit all this benchmark crap, but it means nothing. iOS using less to achieve the same thing as android. That's all that matter end of discussion.

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

Alright you guys can keep getting all technical with all this stuff, but really it means nothing. iOS is a much lighter OS than android. It's processor does not have to be anything close to something on android. You can spit all this benchmark crap, but it means nothing. iOS using less to achieve the same thing as android. That's all that matter end of discussion.

Me and Skcratch 77 are having a healthy discussion...

 

[bmac4]

Me and Skcratch 77 are having a healthy discussion...

Sure, but it means nothing. My point is the same. It is very simply iOS does not need the big processor to achieve the same numbers as android.

 

[skratch77]

Why are you taking a15 out of the question when there is 2 model versions of the galaxy s4 that are selling right now that use quad a15 cores and quad a7 cores?

and since you wanted to include the ipad gpu into this you can buy an android Samsung chromebook right now at best buy for 249 that is using a dual core a15 soc and rumor has it the big little octa core is going to come out any time now also.

you are aware that a15 is out and selling right now in the gs4 ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-UNLOCKE...1138271807?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4ac555263f

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

Why are you taking a15 out of the question when there is 2 model versions of the galaxy s4 that are selling right now that use quad a15 cores and quad a7 cores?

and since you wanted to include the ipad gpu into this you can buy an android Samsung chromebook right now at best buy for 249 that is using a dual core a15 soc

Okay the A15 in the Chromebook is throttled and take the benchmarks from those as a grain of salt. The GS4 has two A15 but are in the same position as teh Chromebook and explains a lot of the lag emiting from those. Same GPU as the iP5 so the benchmarks should be similar. Apple's Soc is custom tailored a.k.a Swift. I heard they use some type of Organic material so that the memory board and CPU can rely information to each other much faster. Swift is unknown CPU since Apple locks down their info. Are they selling the GS4? If their not to customers, then it shouldn't be counted. Also could you find me a benchmark on the GS4 that is not Sunspider because that's all I see.

 

[skratch77]

There isn't a mobile device with a true A15 unless you count the Samsung Chromebook but I wouldn't take that benchmark as a true one since it is being throttled a lot for some reason.

what are you talking about? there are 3 models of the gs4 using the exynos 5 big little soc made by arm and Samsung that worked together on it selling now

 

[skratch77]

Okay the A15 in the Chromebook is throttled and take the benchmarks from those as a grain of salt. The GS4 has two A15 but are in the same position as teh Chromebook and explains a lot of the lag emiting from those. Same GPU as the iP5 so the benchmarks should be similar. Apple's Soc is custom tailored a.k.a Swift. I heard they use some type of Organic material so that the memory board and CPU can rely information to each other much faster. Swift is unknown CPU since Apple locks down their info. Are they selling the GS4? If their not to customers, then it shouldn't be counted. Also could you find me a benchmark on the GS4 that is not Sunspider because that's all I see.

You are clueless my friend,the exynos 5 on the gs4 is a quad core A15 and quad core A7,have you been living under a rock and not heard the term people are using calling the gs4 octa core?

there is a 1.6ghz quad a15 version without lte support,then a 1.6 ghz version with lte support and a super clocked Korean unlocked version that is clocking all 4 a15 cores at 1.8ghz and is blowing the doors off of the reg s4 in benchmarks,its scored like 8000 points higher in geekbench compared to the snapdragon version.

this was my point and you just proved it as most apple people have no freaking clue what there talking about when in fact you had no idea a true a15 quad core phone even existed until now.

here is a a15 gs4 running a bunch of benchamarks for you!Keep in mind this is a 1.6ghz version and not the 1.8 vs the snapdragon gs4 that is running 1.9ghz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7nJQzfWsE

 

[Vegastouch]

Benchmarks only matter to geeks.

 

[zbarvian]

Benchmarks only matter to geeks.

Amen. I stopped caring about benchmarks a while ago, after I realized they can rarely (and unreliably) indicate the real world performance of a phone.

 

[skratch77]

Benchmarks only matter to geeks.

Lol but when apple has higher numbers you guys do nothing but brag about them

 

[bmac4]

Lol but when apple has higher numbers you guys do nothing but brag about them

Who cares. I like both and could careless about benchmarks.

 

[Vegastouch]

Lol but when apple has higher numbers you guys do nothing but brag about them

I have no idea who has the higher numbers and dont care. I also dont even know what the scores are for that are posted by those that do think they matter. Thats for the geeks to get all giddy about.

And i havent had a iPhone for three years.

 

[rearfacingsave]

I think the thesis here might be inaccurate.

In the last decade or so Apple has grown from a 4th tier computer manufacturer into the biggest company in the world, with a string of successive, big-time hits.

It's not necessarily that Apple has lost its way or anything. It's just very difficult to continuously invent the next big thing. Almost no company ever follows up 1 big hit (iPod) with another big hit in the same way (iPhone) and then follows it up with another major blockbuster (iPad).

This is basically unheard of.

Even so, if Apple comes out with a bigtime TV hit (which I'd give them a chance at) they still would be keeping pace with this ridiculous pace of successive hits.

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

I think the thesis here might be inaccurate.

In the last decade or so Apple has grown from a 4th tier computer manufacturer into the biggest company in the world, with a string of successive, big-time hits.

It's not necessarily that Apple has lost its way or anything. It's just very difficult to continuously invent the next big thing. Almost no company ever follows up 1 big hit (iPod) with another big hit in the same way (iPhone) and then follows it up with another major blockbuster (iPad).

This is basically unheard of.

Even so, if Apple comes out with a bigtime TV hit (which I'd give them a chance at) they still would be keeping pace with this ridiculous pace of successive hits.

True, we can Samsung begin this stage, the design between the GS3 and GS4 are pretty much the same to the user. Reviewers are definitely noticing this.

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You are clueless my friend,the exynos 5 on the gs4 is a quad core A15 and quad core A7,have you been living under a rock and not heard the term people are using calling the gs4 octa core?

there is a 1.6ghz quad a15 version without lte support,then a 1.6 ghz version with lte support and a super clocked Korean unlocked version that is clocking all 4 a15 cores at 1.8ghz and is blowing the doors off of the reg s4 in benchmarks,its scored like 8000 points higher in geekbench compared to the snapdragon version.

this was my point and you just proved it as most apple people have no freaking clue what there talking about when in fact you had no idea a true a15 quad core phone even existed until now.

here is a a15 gs4 running a bunch of benchamarks for you!Keep in mind this is a 1.6ghz version and not the 1.8 vs the snapdragon gs4 that is running 1.9ghz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo7nJQzfWsE

I remember seeing a leak mentioning 2 A15 2 A9 and 4 A7 which equals to 8 cores, either me misreading or again it was a leak. Out of topic but if you have a GS4 or Sandragon 800 device, are the Gameloft games still using low end textures and effects? And that benchmark is recent right?

 

[Vegastouch]

I think the thesis here might be inaccurate.

In the last decade or so Apple has grown from a 4th tier computer manufacturer into the biggest company in the world, with a string of successive, big-time hits.

It's not necessarily that Apple has lost its way or anything. It's just very difficult to continuously invent the next big thing. Almost no company ever follows up 1 big hit (iPod) with another big hit in the same way (iPhone) and then follows it up with another major blockbuster (iPad).

This is basically unheard of.

Even so, if Apple comes out with a bigtime TV hit (which I'd give them a chance at) they still would be keeping pace with this ridiculous pace of successive hits.

Apple has never invented anything. As for their TV's.....those things will just be a TV with a huge price tag compared to others and offering nothing different except for iTunes....which in my book is a negative.

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

Apple has never invented anything. As for their TV's.....those things will just be a TV with a huge price tag compared to others and offering nothing different except for iTunes....which in my book is a negative.

How about reinvent or revolutionize?

 

[skratch77]

True, we can Samsung begin this stage, the design between the GS3 and GS4 are pretty much the same to the user. Reviewers are definitely noticing this.
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I remember seeing a leak mentioning 2 A15 2 A9 and 4 A7 which equals to 8 cores, either me misreading or again it was a leak. Out of topic but if you have a GS4 or Sandragon 800 device, are the Gameloft games still using low end textures and effects? And that benchmark is recent right?

You should watch the Google io on YouTube and fast forward it to the game SDK that Google just launched to set a standard in high def gaming.its geared toward a set standard that uses a keypad and the nvidea shield and the gs4 game pad are the first devices geared around that SDK that Google put out.

To save you the trouble gaming on android is on another level lol can you even use a game pad like a ps3 controller on an iPhone?

I just downloaded modern combat 4 and its a 2gb game and pushes the gs4 to the max.it legit is like a true first person shooter on an xbox .I highly doubt a game like this would run with the same textures on an iPhone with its 1gb of ddr2 ram.

Here is a snap shot of me playing that game!

How's this for textures?

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

You should watch the Google io on YouTube and fast forward it to the game SDK that Google just launched to set a standard in high def gaming.its geared toward a set standard that uses a keypad and the nvidea shield and the gs4 game pad are the first devices geared around that SDK that Google put out.

To save you the trouble gaming on android is on another level lol can you even use a game pad like a ps3 controller on an iPhone?

I just downloaded modern combat 4 and its a 2gb game and pushes the gs4 to the max.it legit is like a true first person shooter on an xbox .I highly doubt a game like this would run with the same textures on an iPhone with its 1gb of ddr2 ram.

Here is a snap shot of me playing that game!

How's this for textures?

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Yeah it's missing some effects and textures real time shadows aren't there neither are god rays and a few lighting effects are missing. Also particle effects are missing and motion blur (they are never in Android). Gameloft still is gearing towards iOS devices. Surprisingly my iPhone 4S has everything except some textures and God ray effects that are exclusive to iPhone 5/iPad 4. There are controllers but support for iOS devices seem pretty bad, Gameloft released one that was really well made but decided to stop making more compatible games for it. You can connect PS3 controllers with iOS devices but need to be jailbroken. Surprisingly the support is there(must be the similar Darwin kernel since PS3 controller work perfectly on Macs) but Apple is not enabling it. Apple is opening up some API so hopefully we'll see some support since a lot of Xbox and PS2 ports are being released. And the new iPad 4/3/2 can now play Stars Wars the Old Republic that just came out. Crazy that an iPad can now play Xbox games. If you go on Youtube you can see that the iPhone 5 has better framerate along with better graphics than the GS4.

 

[skratch77]

That's what I like about android and there new gaming guidelines as they are pushing a set standard for devs to use.

 

[RoboWarriorSr]

That's what I like about android and there new gaming guidelines as they are pushing a set standard for devs to use.

Yeah that's true for sure, but don't you need to be rooted anyways to use a PS3 controller? From my experience, PS3 support is pretty crap on Android devices. Probably doesn't matter since Android's have the MOGA controller to use anyways. Watching that Google Game API to be officially used, achievements and finally save files.