How many movies will you watch; you won’t use this thing; with quest 3 games are great in vr but u still don’t use it much; it’s not worth 3500 for something you don’t need
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Apple Vision Pro is amazing. And I returned it. (MERGED)
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Each person experience is different. His might not be yours and definitely is not mine. I don’t have any issues with mine. Just because I say more positive than negative does not make me a troll. If you want to call me trolling so be it, I am not bothered in slightest 😉Finally a post with some factual accounts of the user experience (as opposed to the usual trolling)
You sure? Did you own the original 128k Mac in 1984?! Because there were pc’s available that were cheaper and had two floppy drives and sometimes hard drives. They had larger monitors, and color not black and white and then there was that untested operating system, who wants a GUI when text commands were faster? Oh yeah and there were two apps. MacWrite and MacPaint.
Facts matter.
Those of us who bought one experienced the same thing we see in these negative posts now.
I very much thought the Verge review on the AVP to be on point: it shows that the tech isn't there yet, and asks a number of interesting metaphysical questions as well. An excellent balanced review.
While Apple touts the Vision Pro as an AR device, the physical limits of current screen technology mar the entire experience. Human sight is far superior to it in any sense possible.
That and the physical awkwardness of this device will keep it niche. A minority of users (such as @kkee ) will enjoy the AVP for what it is, and that is great. It's a nice new toy to play with. To each their own (experience). Most users will stay away and the VP has no chance to be accepted by mainstream in its current physical shape and usability state. But that is also okay: it is obvious the VP is a prototype and an tech exploration for Apple.
And even more obvious is that Apple is enjoying all the media attention it is getting over this. ;-)
While Apple touts the Vision Pro as an AR device, the physical limits of current screen technology mar the entire experience. Human sight is far superior to it in any sense possible.
That and the physical awkwardness of this device will keep it niche. A minority of users (such as @kkee ) will enjoy the AVP for what it is, and that is great. It's a nice new toy to play with. To each their own (experience). Most users will stay away and the VP has no chance to be accepted by mainstream in its current physical shape and usability state. But that is also okay: it is obvious the VP is a prototype and an tech exploration for Apple.
And even more obvious is that Apple is enjoying all the media attention it is getting over this. ;-)
It's obvious?
Apple are gaslighting everyone and telling them:
"The era of spatial computing has arrived," said Apple CEO Tim Cook. "Apple Vision Pro is the most advanced consumer electronics device ever created. Its revolutionary and magical user interface will redefine how we connect, create, and explore."
Sure doesn't sound like it has arrived to me.
You're wrong.
Tim Cook called it the next iPhone, the next iMac, the next iPod and the next iPad.
So no, it's not a prototype nor a tech exploration.
Totally, I enjoy it like most people who bought it. I can see that some minority might have issues with it, and it is perfectly okay. Apple will have many more years to improve AVP just like Apple Watch, although for first iteration it is pretty polished already. It is definitely not for mainstream yet but not because of the current usability state (more apps are being developed, OS will gets updated) or physical shape (more accessories are coming). The materials yield is still an issue especially the micro oled.
The issue with Verge review and many others are that they are focusing on ‘what’s if’ instead of ’what is’. Obviously we don’t need to oversell the positives but overblow the negatives is just as bad. AVP is not just a prototype, this is a whole finished product that most of us can enjoy now with very few issues. A few issues that get more attention that it deserves. And yet there are a lot of amazing techs in it getting ignored.
BtW thanks for the shoutout.
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I disagree. Spatial computing has been existing for years, yes it’s niche and only exist in certain industries (construction, medical, science) but it’s there. What Tim Cook meant to say is, Apple is bringing spatial computing to mainstream and it is now available as a consumer product for those who willing to take the first steps.
AVP had been prototype for the last 5 years, it no longer is.
You are only focusing on a few issues it has. A few issues that get more attention that it deserves. And yet there are a lot of amazing techs in it you ignored.
Would people purchasing the product, have purchased the product if Tim said otherwise? Would the board of directors at Apple felt good if Tim had said otherwise?
Tim had to say what he said regardless of how he felt about the product.
I personally see it as a niche product. I don't envision several people all sitting in a room with the headsets on watching movies. Or sports.
On the other hand, someone has to start somewhere with something. Maybe once the device gets more use there will be ways found to use the device that will truly make interacting with computers easier.
I remember my excitement using my first cell phone. Size of a brick, about the weight of a brick, battery life measured in fractions of an hour, only did one thing and looking like a total dork. Now I have cell phone, camera, notepad, music player, video player (and recorder), battery life measured in dozens of hours, connected to the world, and not looking like a dork.
The iPhone, (even before the App Store) let you access the entire internet (sans flash) on to go, from anywhere, intuitively. It was massive. The iPhone’s killer app, on release, was Safari.
The vision pro’s killer app is ??
To me, this sort of invalidates Tim’s statement about this being the next iPhone.
The vision pro’s killer app is ??
To me, this sort of invalidates Tim’s statement about this being the next iPhone.
Just to make matters worse my control center no longer shows up. Iv rebooted twice. This is probably the buggiest product I've ever purchased lol.
I'm one person who's more interested in "pinch at Safari window" than in gaming or watching movies. Games and movies are entertainment activities, and most people spend more time doing productivity activities than on entertainment. I think for VR/AR devices to become mainstream, they'd have to be good for productivity tasks. Otherwise, they'd remain niche hobby devices. Whether or not VP is actually good at productivity tasks remains to be seen, but I think that's what Apple is aiming for.
I've watched the Verge VP review again and must say that the issues that was raised in the review are 100% on point with the issues some buyers of the VP are reporting/experiencing. It is a shame the video came out a few days before the release date of the VP and not days before the pre-order date. But then again how many people would have trusted the review from the Verge and cancelled their pre-order and how many would have thought 'lets see for myself'.
I've watched many of the review videos that was released on the day the VP was officially released and it is bewildering how many of them do point out the issues of FOV, glare and other visual issues but yet none of this was mentioned months before when some people got their hands on the VP to review it.
What concerns me the most is that I bet Apple forced the reviewers to sign NDA's preventing them from releasing their review videos early because if they had I believe many buyers would have either not purchased the VP or would have cancelled their pre-order once the visuals issues came to light but instead buyers have been forced to find out the hard way into realising just how bad the visual issues are.
Not every buyer will have an MR account but if what we are seeing is a currently a small cross section of the VP buying community, it can be surmised that many many VP buyers are going to want a refund.
I've watched many of the review videos that was released on the day the VP was officially released and it is bewildering how many of them do point out the issues of FOV, glare and other visual issues but yet none of this was mentioned months before when some people got their hands on the VP to review it.
What concerns me the most is that I bet Apple forced the reviewers to sign NDA's preventing them from releasing their review videos early because if they had I believe many buyers would have either not purchased the VP or would have cancelled their pre-order once the visuals issues came to light but instead buyers have been forced to find out the hard way into realising just how bad the visual issues are.
Not every buyer will have an MR account but if what we are seeing is a currently a small cross section of the VP buying community, it can be surmised that many many VP buyers are going to want a refund.
This is the way it works on my PSVR2. I turn brightness down to 60% to improve OLED refresh rates.
I estimate that up to 50% of these units could be returned due to people not liking the system now that they have it or simply only ever intending to demo it. I would be very curious to know how many of the 180,000 or so units sold are returned within the 14 day return period.
Probably shouldn’t have based it on iPad os then.
In hindsight some reviews mention it, but I feel it really should have been a point of emphasis. Not everyone was coming from previous VR headsets, so it’s sort of a shock to see.
Maybe. It's also possible they didn't experience the issues. I'm going to offer a little of my professional expertise (which includes visuoperception). Human behavior, including perception, falls on various continua. It's possible that you and your wife both have a sensitivity to perceiving glare and the "smearing". It's possible that <5% of people (making up a number there, but I'm just putting you into a tail of a normal distribution) might experience the issue and/or are bothered by it. We'll need more data to know what percent of people notice and/or are bothered by it. This is where your anecdote is helpful. It's one point of data.
So while the reviewers might not have mentioned it because of pressure from Apple, it's also possible they simply didn't perceive it or were not bothered at all by it. Think of this like misophonia. There are some people who have what appears to be an extreme reaction to auditory stimuli -- chewing, lip smacking, etc. Certain sounds can trigger automatic physiological and emotional responses that are difficult to suppress. Most other people aren't bothered by the same sounds and do not have the physiological and emotional responses.
It's possible you are like this with the glare and smearing. What's noticeable and bothering to you might not be an issue for most other people. That's not a criticism of you; you could just have a different experience than most other people. Or, maybe your experiences are in the majority. We don't know until we have more data. Even if quite a few reviewers mention glare, it's also possible they aren't bothered by it. That can be frustrating to experience these issues when you are interested in the AVP and bought one. At least you can return it.
After using the Vision Pro more, I want to update on thoughts. I still whole heartedly agree with the OP.
I had originally cited the light leakage from the light seal as the source of the glare, but it is indeed from the lenses inside. It’s really, really aggravating.
Also, I switched from the solo band to the dual band, and highly recommend it. The comfort is much better, and in fact easily doable for 1-2 hours. Yes, the unit could be lighter, but the dual loop def helps.
Is it enough to make me keep it? No.
I had originally cited the light leakage from the light seal as the source of the glare, but it is indeed from the lenses inside. It’s really, really aggravating.
Also, I switched from the solo band to the dual band, and highly recommend it. The comfort is much better, and in fact easily doable for 1-2 hours. Yes, the unit could be lighter, but the dual loop def helps.
Is it enough to make me keep it? No.
I did in fact own one. As soon as the Apple dealer in Burlington, MA was able to get them. I was #2 for that store. My office mate Hal was #1. He was a few years older so he had more money saved.
I bet you the screen even had glare on it. I have 2 early Macs but they’re at my other place so I can’t check the glare out right now.
I remember when the first SCSI hard drive came out. 20MB I I think. Thought at the time we’d never be able to fill that up.
Just looked up the hard drive. Was in fact 20M.
And for those hating on the AVP price the cost of that drive was $4068 in 2022 dollars and I assure you the AVP does way more than that drive did.