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I don't think this will be DOA. Apple has spent years building up the infrastructure to support it. The Newton did not have any infrastructure outside of some large metro areas. It really is a illustration of Apples state of mind when Steve Jobs was absent. Build it and they will come, we hope. When Steve returned he quickly killed it off it just was not selling.

I had several Newtons, and they were cool! And Fun!

But yah, I remember Apple eWorld too.

How about the Pippin?


Having talked about apple failures - ME owning an Apple QuickTake digital camera in like 1990 made me make my first website and have a successful career


Anyway - Apple Vision is big stuff.
 
The demo showed it connected to Mac and assuming the role of the monitor. Surely they can make it connect to a Mac Pro too.
Ah thanks. I missed that little detail. Well then. Sign me up if I can run my Motion Graphics mac os applications on it.
 
Oh man. If this thing could connect to my Mac Pro and allow me to work with After Effects and Cinema 4D would be a ground breaking experience for me and many designers. What a missed opportunity. Hoping this thing lasts up to a version 2.0 and isn't DOA like the Newton.
Newton was not DOA it just came at a time when Apple could not afford to invest long term on a platform.
 
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What happens when there is no electricity in the house? I wonder if there's going to be a Low Power mode.

That's why you should always have an orchard or garden:

You can get a piece of copper and a graphite pencil and shove it into a series of lemons or other citrus fruit. Wire several of them together. Check with voltmeter. Or even potatoes. In this way you can develop 5V needed to recharge via USB.
 
Look, the only ones clearly excited for these are developers seen in this comment section, we all know the consumer version will be out in a few years, it’ll probably be called Vision Air 🤣🤣
 
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Truly amazed by the number of people here who think it’s a follow on from the iPhone 14. This isn’t intended as a consumer product. “Missing Christmas” nor is it intended to be something you’ll be seeing packing busy commuter trains.

Just like the iPhone 1 and iPod 1 this is a first gen product intended to start the evolutionary path - vision pro 3-4 (probably just vision at that point) is where you’d expect mass adoption starting to take place.

We as developers however NEED THIS NOW - I can’t wait.


Yah - I was offended by silly "Apple Stock Experts" on CNBC.

The guy was guessing what the product was more than anything else.

He paid no attention to the WWDC product release video pretty obviously.

His comment was something about using the Vision Pro Headset to click the Amazon buy it now button type thing. Really obtuse.

Happens with most new apple products I have noticed.

It means you can bet against "Mr. Market" - if you are into this hobby of being a Mac Fan or Apple Fan, Any true believer Apple Fanboy is rich by now by owning the stock. I certainly benefitted because of it.
 
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Initial impressions -

... One more thing... (Only made me miss Steve more?)

I'm wondering how the people who created the demo videos reviewed/screened the videos in advance of the keynote, and if they really only intended it to be watched on big screens, because, it felt claustrophobic at times? The opposite of what I'd imagine they're going for?

They packed a lot of amazing tech in all of this? Inside and out. From the processors to the sensors, it's a lot of tech there. Eye tracking and gesture tracking, along with Siri?

They mentioned *feel* more than once.. are we going to get tactile VR gloves as an add-on at some point???

The facial simulation sounds, creepy, but perhaps people using this with FaceTime will find it works well?

"We studied thousands of heads" - Great, but if it still doesn't fit me, if there's obnoxious amounts of light bleed or it slips off my face, will Apple find a way to make it work, or just offer a return/refund option and put it into a refurb pile?

I wish that they'd discussed battery life/charging/battery swapping in more detail? AC power option possible?

The fake eyes on the outside look creepy as Hell, and I really hope there's an option to turn it off...

MS Office? Really? Who in the world wants MS Office strapped to their face. Who in the world thought to include that in this demo? Who in the Hell is paying this kind of money to have MS Office in their face????? Apple, introduce me to that customer, I have a bridge or two to sell them!!!!

I'm really shocked that there wasn't a much bigger focus on fitness??? It would seem to be the much better use case for most users to project fitness training exercises in AR space than, again, MS Office??? I'd have thought that they'd have a full line-up of fitness routines at least from sports featured on AppleTV? Available as add-ons in the app store, of course. It really feels like an odd omission???

I mean, between MS Office and sitting and watching TV... I just didn't see that as the direction Apple would lean with this??? I'd really thought that it would have a much more... active use case???

Very surprised that there wasn't a demo showing much more 3D modeling work? Barely a mention of it relative to other things?

The laptop mirroring was interesting? They could have done more with that part of the demo? Offload heavy processing to an M2 (M3, M4,etc) Ultra Studio/Mac Pro and display/control from the Vision?

No PC connectivity makes it annoyingly limiting for a $3500 purchase? It also eliminates an entire segment of potential customers who don't mind dropping $$$ on graphics cards, high-end PC input devices (sim wheels, etc), low latency monitors, who could have been tempted by this device, even at this price, if it was better than competing options.

Was Bob filmed on an empty sound stage? Not one person yelling, "PAY YOUR WRITERS!" I yelled. I also used my favorite ... gestures.

Speaking of watching Movies/TV on Vision... I'm curious why they showed anything other than the biggest most impressive screen/PoV possible with the device? The smaller screen with the colors over-laid in the room looked... awful?

I'm hoping that the MST3K Gizmoplex looks better than that on the Vision.

I'm curious about the cost, and the approach to this roll-out? Some are claiming that this isn't supposed to be a consumer device, wait 5 years... but, if that were the case, why not release it as a dev kit today to registered devs only for $999? $3500 is going to be too steep for even the most die-hard Apple early adopters and many small independent developers... And I'd prefer to have ... more people get their hands on it asap to you know.. break things. (especially the battery) Otherwise, it won't be what most people really want until version 4 or 5 in 2030?

I'm really interested/excited to see where all this goes, but the cost, along with missing connectivity I'd want, will probably keep me on the side-lines until the 2nd or 3rd version at least?

the polished demo videos since COVID are nice and I don't think Apple is going back... BUT they could afford to have a mix of Live and video elements at an event like WWDC where you have a large crowd at Apple Park there watching anyway. When Tim said "one more thing..." there was SILENCE which was just so sad... there is no reason they couldn't have cut to him LIVE instead on the stage in front of the gathered audience of developers and Apple media and said it where there would have been a genuine reaction of applause... heck they should have had Tim teeing off each major section (iOS, iPadOS, Mac, Vision etc.) live from the stage and then all the demos are prerecorded.
 
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Initial impressions -

... One more thing... (Only made me miss Steve more?)

I'm wondering how the people who created the demo videos reviewed/screened the videos in advance of the keynote, and if they really only intended it to be watched on big screens, because, it felt claustrophobic at times? The opposite of what I'd imagine they're going for?

They packed a lot of amazing tech in all of this? Inside and out. From the processors to the sensors, it's a lot of tech there. Eye tracking and gesture tracking, along with Siri?

They mentioned *feel* more than once.. are we going to get tactile VR gloves as an add-on at some point???

The facial simulation sounds, creepy, but perhaps people using this with FaceTime will find it works well?

"We studied thousands of heads" - Great, but if it still doesn't fit me, if there's obnoxious amounts of light bleed or it slips off my face, will Apple find a way to make it work, or just offer a return/refund option and put it into a refurb pile?

I wish that they'd discussed battery life/charging/battery swapping in more detail? AC power option possible?

The fake eyes on the outside look creepy as Hell, and I really hope there's an option to turn it off...

MS Office? Really? Who in the world wants MS Office strapped to their face. Who in the world thought to include that in this demo? Who in the Hell is paying this kind of money to have MS Office in their face????? Apple, introduce me to that customer, I have a bridge or two to sell them!!!!

I'm really shocked that there wasn't a much bigger focus on fitness??? It would seem to be the much better use case for most users to project fitness training exercises in AR space than, again, MS Office??? I'd have thought that they'd have a full line-up of fitness routines at least from sports featured on AppleTV? Available as add-ons in the app store, of course. It really feels like an odd omission???

I mean, between MS Office and sitting and watching TV... I just didn't see that as the direction Apple would lean with this??? I'd really thought that it would have a much more... active use case???

Very surprised that there wasn't a demo showing much more 3D modeling work? Barely a mention of it relative to other things?

The laptop mirroring was interesting? They could have done more with that part of the demo? Offload heavy processing to an M2 (M3, M4,etc) Ultra Studio/Mac Pro and display/control from the Vision?

No PC connectivity makes it annoyingly limiting for a $3500 purchase? It also eliminates an entire segment of potential customers who don't mind dropping $$$ on graphics cards, high-end PC input devices (sim wheels, etc), low latency monitors, who could have been tempted by this device, even at this price, if it was better than competing options.

Was Bob filmed on an empty sound stage? Not one person yelling, "PAY YOUR WRITERS!" I yelled. I also used my favorite ... gestures.

Speaking of watching Movies/TV on Vision... I'm curious why they showed anything other than the biggest most impressive screen/PoV possible with the device? The smaller screen with the colors over-laid in the room looked... awful?

I'm hoping that the MST3K Gizmoplex looks better than that on the Vision.

I'm curious about the cost, and the approach to this roll-out? Some are claiming that this isn't supposed to be a consumer device, wait 5 years... but, if that were the case, why not release it as a dev kit today to registered devs only for $999? $3500 is going to be too steep for even the most die-hard Apple early adopters and many small independent developers... And I'd prefer to have ... more people get their hands on it asap to you know.. break things. (especially the battery) Otherwise, it won't be what most people really want until version 4 or 5 in 2030?

I'm really interested/excited to see where all this goes, but the cost, along with missing connectivity I'd want, will probably keep me on the side-lines until the 2nd or 3rd version at least?


"One more thing" actually brought a tear to my eyes today - I got choked up like a kid a Christmas.
 
Remember that this one has eye tracking and foveated rendering.

Hololens 2 is similar price range and is so much worse.

A Vajo XR3 costs around $6500 and then you have to be hooked up to a RTX4090 and a decent rig.

So currently $3500 is quite cheap!
Both target difference audiences. Both have feature set that the other simply cannot do.
 
the polished demo videos since COVID are nice and I don't think Apple is going back... BUT they could afford to have a mix of Live and video elements at an event like WWDC where you have a large crowd at Apple Park they're watching anyway. When Tim said "one more thing..." there was SILENCE which was just so sad... there is no reason they couldn't have cut to him LIVE instead on the stage in front of the gathered audience of developers and Apple media and said it where there would have been a genuine reaction of applause... heck they should have had Tim teeing off each major section (iOS, iPadOS, Mac, Vision etc.) live from the stage and then all the demos are prerecorded.

True that.

This de-evolutionary world has gone too far in so many ways.

Bring the crowds of people back.

Pandemic was a horrible hangover memory.

I still loved the "one more thing" - Way to go Tim Apple! But yah - the crowd would be screaming and cheering!
 
I think it's called a power cord or a U S B or something like that.


Can you look up the specifications for me? While you are at it, find out the weight of the Vision Pro headset as well, I want to compare the weight to all the existing VR goggles - not really the same thing, but similar enough for me to want to know how much lighter the Apple Vision Pro headset is......
Sorry you didn't see the sarcasm. I'll check on those specs. Be right back.
 
Sorry you didn't see the sarcasm. I'll check on those specs. Be right back.

haha. It's OK - I type fast as an AI :)

Buy yah - what's the weight of this Vision Pro headset? The Playstation one is way too heavy, but it's for gaming and is like $500.
 
2 hours of battery life with a battery pack. Only Apple can get away with this in 2023.

full

So I guess there is an ac adapter too? if you are sitting on a couch watching a 3 hour movie, it would be ok to plug in..
 
Ouch. I remember in January 1984 waiting for the Mac to be released at the rumored price point of $999. Boy did it hurt when it came out at $2495.
I am thinking this is more like the launch of the Mac and not the iPhone. Truly innovative, crazy expensive, and will be imitated quickly in a substandard way for cheaper. Also not they are starting with the "Pro" moniker. This tech will filter down to a consumer priced version. This feels like the start of something big. Battery life, price will all improve.
 
Yea $3500 is a bit much, I'm not in a hurry to use a product like this and will happily wait for a gen 2, possibly at a lower price point with all the fixes learned from the 1st gen product.
 
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