Aren't you being over dramatic? I think no one has said anything about hypnotizing.
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Apple Vs. The Media, This is why I don't put any weight behind most reviews.
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Aren't you being over dramatic? I think no one has said anything about hypnotizing.
Still going on eh? You guys should check out the way supermarkets are marketing the Black Friday deals with people turning up in their hundreds and rioting over cheap televisions! You think Apple have brainwashed people you should put it into perspective. At least Apple sell some of the best devices on the market.
It's all getting a bit personal on this thread so maybe some of you need to take a deep breath and realise you are getting angry over a company you don't buy from. It really shouldn't matter.
It's all getting a bit personal on this thread so maybe some of you need to take a deep breath and realise you are getting angry over a company you don't buy from. It really shouldn't matter.
Are you kidding me? That was practically the whole underlying implication of this entire thread!
No they are rubbish, that's my point but people have been buying because of the hype and being violent about to too.
Ok. I take that back. Seeing how some are willing sell their organs and children to get one, I am pretty sure Apple has gone cult status.
The underlying implication is some people have a chapped ass because their preferred flavor of smart phone kool-aid is 2nd to the iPhone in public perception and press.
Get over it and be happy with what you own if it makes you happy.
I have an S5, and it's the only smartphone I care to own currently even if the press calls it meh and it's sold poorly. I don't go around around making sour grapes threads as a result.
And honestly, given the sort of attitude I have seen in Android Fanboys, I take that as a compliment any time of the day.
At least Apple users spend all day talking about the products that they enjoy using. Conversely, Android fanboys spend all day insulting other people about their choice of devices.
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I agree 100%. Now if only some other people could be as enlightened.
I'm surprised to see you give it such a compliment. If the iPhone has cult status it means it joins a list of defining products from the 20th and 21st centuries including the VW Beetle, Dr Martins, Coka Cola to name but a few. All are popular, cool and have experienced extremely healthy sales in their history. If the iPhone has reached cult level, it's not surprising it's always in demand on every release. Great stuff.
Really? Look at any news article on this site that mentions any Apple competitior and see how rude and insulting most of the comments made my Apple users are.
Every camp has its extremists, whether it be Apple, Samsung, Android, Microsoft etc. To tar all Apple users as sweet angelic people that can say no wrong and all Android users as troublemakers I believe is completly and utterly wrong.
But then again I haven't heard of any who sell their organs or children to buy a coke or a beetle.
Maybe apple has one up on those other brands. Maybe it is true that apple media campaign has such hypnotic effect that the fans will buy it year after year.
Those were extreme cases and it happened in mainland China 3 or 4 years ago. Do we know for a fact other brands have not attracted examples of extreme demand? I don't think that can be definitively proven as they are much older products. For all we know a guy could have sold a child for a Beetle in Mexico in the 1970's lol.
Apples marketing is very very good, but so is the product so credit where it is due.
I agree with you apple products are good. They may be best seller but they are not the best. Comparing note4 and 6+ side by side i can without a doubt say the specs used in note 4 is far superior.
Now you have to ask yourself why a lower spec phone can sell at higher price. There are no other manufacturers who can do this.
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Probably because it's been said a thousand times on here that not everybody buys a phone based on its specs. I certainly don't. User experience is my main criteria and I prefer iOS over Android.
It's purely subjective to the individual and you really need to start accepting that. If the Note is superior in you opinion then buy it and be satisfied. There are going to be people out there that will think another phone is superior based on their needs. It's not a difficult concept really.
Let's just say you are right that people buy based on their needs and they found iphone superior. What is the basis then? From functionality point of view any flagship phones should satisfy most needs of the majority. But why does it have to be iphone? You also say user experience. How is iphone superior in user experience? Is it easier to use? You are unlikely to find much difference to android unless you are an advanced users. Design? Sure iphone has nice design. But other phones are not ugly either. More Stable? Not this either since Android phones are more stable than iphone. Lag? Recent flagships do not lag or even if they lag more than iphone but the difference is so nitpick small.
Using functionality,specs,usage or from a technical standpoint, we know most android phone cost less and have better spec. So finally it all comes down to the brand. Whether you like or not (or chose not to see), iphone sells just because of the apple logo. Without that logo, I can bet apple will just be another also-ran. So how does the apple brand is so significant pull factor? It all has to do with the marketing. It creates an illusion of value and premiuness based on cutting edge technology which actually isn't there. So a lot of iphone buyers bought due to the marketing hocus-pocus. Nothing more.
Apple Vs. The Media, This is why I don't put any weight behind most reviews.
You have mentioned all the points I would have put forward but you don't agree with them so I can't see the point in trying to convince you. It's a waste of time and it makes no difference to me whether you like the iPhone or not. Yes the design of the device, layout of the interface, continuity factor, reliability of the software are all reasons I like the iPhone. You also said it yourself that the iPhone has obtained cult status so this means it's cool and appealing to the masses. Surely you have an answer to your question now even if you don't necessarily agree with the reasoning?
You are right all flagship phones do pretty much the same thing unless you are a bit more geeky, so it comes down to personal taste. The iPhone is widely used because of the things put across here and people will buy off recommendation too. These are all positives of leaving your mark on the market first with the new generation of touchscreen phones. Apple have reaped the rewards for years now and as long as they keep making excellent smartphones, they will remain popular. Why you are bitter about it, I will never understand. You should be happy that in your mind you've got a superior phone for less money.
You have mentioned all the points I would have put forward but you don't agree with them so I can't see the point in trying to convince you. It's a waste of time and it makes no difference to me whether you like the iPhone or not. Yes the design of the device, layout of the interface, continuity factor, reliability of the software are all reasons I like the iPhone. You also said it yourself that the iPhone has obtained cult status so this means it's cool and appealing to the masses. Surely you have an answer to your question now even if you don't necessarily agree with the reasoning?
You are right all flagship phones do pretty much the same thing unless you are a bit more geeky, so it comes down to personal taste. The iPhone is widely used because of the things put across here and people will buy off recommendation too. These are all positives of leaving your mark on the market first with the new generation of touchscreen phones. Apple have reaped the rewards for years now and as long as they keep making excellent smartphones, they will remain popular. Why you are bitter about it, I will never understand. You should be happy that in your mind you've got a superior phone for less money.
That's circular reasoning.
You are so convinced that there is no redeeming factor to the iPhone compared with the rest of the competition that the only reason which makes sense in your book is Apple's supposed superior marketing. This is despite myself and many other people like me telling you precisely what it is that we love about our iPhones so much. You just continue to stick your fingers in your ears and go "blah blah blah". And then you wonder why nobody seems to be answering your questions.
You keep harping on specs. I keep trying to tell you that bigger numbers on paper alone aren't always meaningful. The iPhone's camera has fewer but larger pixels, which allows it to take better photos in low light. This represents a tangible benefit to the end user, yet isn't something that you can necessarily infer when simply comparing "8 mp to 13 mp". Many Android smartphones sport quad-core processors, and reputable sites like Anandtech have explained how having so many cores can actually be detrimental to the phone's performance overall. The iPhone isn't the only smartphone to sport a fingerprint sensor, but it arguably has the best-working one, and moving forward, it looks like Apple will continue to support it and integrate it with other features like Apple Pay, which will further improve its utility.
Ease of use? I can give you one scenario (shared by my friends). For one, they dislike how the various Android apps seem to lack a consistent and coherent design. Some apps have the search bar at the top of the screen while others have theirs at the bottom. It sounds like nitpicking, but this is what they pay attention to, and it's all the more glaring considering that they came from iPhones.
You are right in that the iPhone sells due to the brand. It's this brand that is a promise. Apple doesn't sell you a product. It sells you the experience and the promise of an integrated solution which just works right out of the box. And that Apple Logo symbolises this promise.
And so when I buy an Apple product with an Apple logo at the back, I happily pay the asking price because I know that this is precisely what I am getting - an integrated solution which just works right out of the box. I may pay more upfront, but they quickly pay for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer problems.
So what if Android handsets cost less? 9 women can't make a baby in 1 month. 3 Xiaomi phones can't replace 1 iPhone with regards to what I do with it.
This one is hilarious. Let me give you one example. Let's say I wave flags everywhere, spread the phrase "support our troops" and then I tell you "Saddam has WMD" despite ALL evidence to the contrary - and the public buys the story. What do you think that was? Witchcraft? No - propaganda and mass manipulation happens everyday. Wake up.
This is post-rationalisation. The smartphone market is well past that point. They all work out the box and very well. Not just Android or Apple. You can pick up a low-end Windows phone or even the Blackberry and truth is they do the job very well out the box.
However....when you have a gazillion blogs and "review" websites who are competing for attention then they are going to manufacture "differences" out of little subjective nonsense. Some aim to pretend to be objective and go and generate 20-30 "benchmarks" including all sorts of obscure nonsense. Some will "assess the number of processing cores or whether it is 32 or 64 bits? Are you kidding me?. For a consumer appliance that most consumers actually dont think at all about despite using it for most of their waking hours? Why the hype? Because that is necessary in order for these redundant media #$%%s to gain attention. And most of them have zero imagination, so often they copy a storyline from someone else and keep repeating it.
This is the context and in this context it is VERY effective strategy for a company to play favourites and punish the media that dont follow the desired marketing storyline. You dont have a product to "review" (i.e. rubber stamp) and your competitor has received it - well that's your website traffic down by 50% that week? Need we say more. This is a no-brainer. Marketing manipulation of media is an easy outcome in this situation.
Really all of these phone provide a very strong fundamental offer - they are impressive pocket micro-computers with a very good consumer interface. So then we are just into taste and style, and one may have better battery life, another a better camera, one has pen input etc.....but working out the box easily is a solved problem.
The truth is smartphone are now a very mature category and paying a 2-300% premium on the premise that you "gain" a product that works out the box is self-deception. It is people having absorbed an emotionally-infused marketing message and then having acted on it, turn around and backfilling a supposedly rational logic for why they did what they did.
In other words, it is very effective marketing.
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If this was the case, I shouldn't have colleagues turning to me or my school's IT support (who is an expert in Android devices) for help in setting up their brand new Android smartphones "right out of the box". This despite me being known as "the Apple guy" in the office. Friends who previously had zero problems setting up their iPhones, but evidently have issues working out how to create a Google Plus account or signing in to it. I shouldn't have people asking me why emails are apparently randomly disappearing from their email app, where certain apps are located because they are squirrelled away deep inside folders in the app drawer etc.
And yet I do. For my friends and colleagues at least, there is something about an iPhone where they instinctively know where stuff are and how they should work, yet they need to read a manual or call for backup when handling an Android phone.
Benchmarks are benchmarks. The people who do read these websites for such stuff are naturally those who care about such stuff, and those who don't care, won't even know such articles exist. You can argue that past a certain point, perhaps an app loading a split-second faster on one smartphone compared to another isn't really all that significant, but that's for the consumer to decide.
I certainly don't see you complaining when Samsung announces their octa-core processors or their 2k displays or some other marketing spec. Why, it's okay when the competition engages in their marketing and their smoke and mirrors?
Yet my experience continues to tell me otherwise.
The thing is that for me at least, my iPhone continues to serve me very well in ways which I don't believe the rest of the competition can replicate readily. Be it iMessage (since I need my iPhone to link my phone number to my iMessage account), icloud (it's still more convenient, bugs and all), my ability to share purchases between iPhone and iPad, airplay to my Apple TV, handoff / continuity to my Mac, iOS-exclusive games, features like shared photo stream, iWork's etc.
Maybe I am just in too deep in the whole Apple ecosystem. But I do know my Apple devices are all serving me very well, and I am very happy using them. I won't say it's the best phone, but it is the best phone for me.
1) I have had people from age 32 to 64 ask me to set up their iphone because they couldnt. So what?
2) Its silly of you to claim that I think "octacore" is good marketing. In fact I actually mentioned that in my post as an example of nonsense claims that parroted by the media idiots. Octacore is as much BS as "64-bit" or "retina" or whatever.
Do you READ anything before replying? Clearly not.
3) You can say what you like, smartphones are getting very mature now and for a very affordable price. That is why they are selling by the bucketload. And most of those being sold are not iphones, so that tells you what you need to know about the overall usability of what is available on the market.
2) Its silly of you to claim that I think "octacore" is good marketing. In fact I actually mentioned that in my post as an example of nonsense claims that parroted by the media idiots. Octacore is as much BS as "64-bit" or "retina" or whatever.
Do you READ anything before replying? Clearly not.
3) You can say what you like, smartphones are getting very mature now and for a very affordable price. That is why they are selling by the bucketload. And most of those being sold are not iphones, so that tells you what you need to know about the overall usability of what is available on the market.
You are comparing post-9/11 US thinking after losing thousands to a terror act on our soil with apple marketing? Next thing that will be coming is the holocaust never happened.
It's not me that needs to wake up bud.
Almost 2015 and you still try to pass those things as real? Do you really think that apart of the more rabid Apple fanboys anyone would believe that?
Can it even be more difficult than making an appleID?
For me, creating G+ is just a one click procedure to hit the button "accept". No, i dont want G+ and im always hit "cancel".
youre right! What they need is an exorcist...
Where exactly?
And was their first call just to ask how to plug their new android phones in to a charger? (being abit sarcastic)
Really?
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