Masimo patented a fingertip sensor with a separate monitor that could be worn the wrist. Later, they got another patent where the sensors and the monitor were in the same device - not specifically for a wrist-worn device but not excluding the possibility either. The later patent claims came in 2021. This was legally permissible but Apple was not infringing any patents until 2021.
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Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 No Longer Available From U.S. Online Store
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Not really. It is the "love of money" that is the root of all evil. Money in and of itself is simply a thing.
As for Apple's patent infringement, I am not surprised as big corporations tend to skirt the laws as much as they can.
Hopefully, this will lead Apple to innovate themselves instead of stealing ideas from others.
I've noticed down votes on some innocuous comments on other threads as well. Some one is either not getting the intent of the poster or is an idiot and doesn't know what down vote means.
A court has found Apple's product is infringing Masimo's patent(s). Therefore, it is an infringing product. Just because the finding of infringement is being appealed does not make it "not an infringing product".
It's like saying convicted felons are not felons as long as their appeals are pending.
Once a court finds infringement, then the product is an infringing product until it gets overturned on an appeal.
As Yogi Berra famously said: “it’s not over till it’s over”.
One anecdotal point right now -- my sister has Covid (unknown variant), been coughing for well over a week. Unfortunately, she doesn't have an O2 tester of any kind, but she's an iPhone/iPad user. I wish she did have an apple watch. I know she has a fitbit, but I don't know what it can do. And being high risk with my own problems, I can't do anything about it. She's taking paxlovid.
Thanks, Unknown Company who has an ego so overinflated the world's most powerful company is taking a Christmas sales hit to prove a point: YOU'RE NOBODY.
I can't get an Apple Watch now....thankss.....I hope it was worth it to enforce their amazing patent that will make them a true market contender....HAHAHAHA LOL no one will remember them in a year when Apple demands a FRAND discussion.
I can't get an Apple Watch now....thankss.....I hope it was worth it to enforce their amazing patent that will make them a true market contender....HAHAHAHA LOL no one will remember them in a year when Apple demands a FRAND discussion.
Ever heard of Amazon or Best Buy or Target or?? They’re still selling them…
Or the poster dislikes anything that doesn’t support their agenda?
Import ban....once supplies run out...or are you like the others and so short sighted you can't see the end of your own nose?
Apple watch has very inaccurate O2 sensor. She'd be much better of with a cheap (but accurate) fingertip sensor. Something like this.
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As I said, mine has been pretty accurate, within a percent or two, and as far as "very inaccurate" -- I'd like to see proof of that. I have a couple of those other sensors btw...
edit: the people that know disagree.
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You complain about wanting an Apple Watch now but evidently didn't think of getting one last week when Apple announced the deadline?
The very definition of short-sightedness would be to simply cave and agreeing to pay Masimo licensing fees for posterity. I really don't see the issue you are having with Apple opting to explore all possible alternatives first. Knowing Apple, they would have stockpiled a fair supply of Apple Watches prior to the import ban, plus the announcement last week should have pulled forward a decent amount of demand.
In the near term, sales of the Apple Watch will continue to do just fine. How it plays out next quarter, well, I guess that's just additional fodder for Macrumours reporting and the comments section in general.
And you think Apple didn’t import enough since the actual ruling is from eo Oct?
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From the article: The authors concluded that due to unsuccessful or incorrect measurements, the Apple Watch is not yet up to the medical standard of conventional pulse oximeters.
I myself have a beurer PO30. Use the Apple Watch sensor as a guide, but take it with a pinch of salt. If think you have low oxygen saturation contact a medical clinic.
As promised? Wasn’t it a court judgement.
As promised, Apple today stopped selling the Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 in its online store in the United States, with the devices pulled from sale just days ahead of when an Apple Watch import ban goes into effect. When attempting to purchase an Apple Watch Series 9 or Apple Watch Ultra 2 to the online store, the devices say "currently unavailable." Apple has also removed refurbished Apple Watch Series 7 and Series 8 models from its website.
Apple on Monday said that it would need to pause sales of the Apple Watch Series 9 and the Apple Watch Ultra 2 in order to comply with an International Trade Commission order preventing components related to the Apple Watch blood oxygen monitoring technology from being imported into the United States. The ITC made the ruling after deciding that the Apple Watch blood oxygen sensor violates patents owned by medical device company Masimo.
The Apple Watch is still available for purchase from Apple's retail stores, but Apple will stop store sales after December 24. Sales will be paused only in the United States and only at Apple's own retail locations. Third-party stores like Target, Walmart, and Best Buy can continue to sell the Apple Watch until supplies run out. Apple will be able to sell the Apple Watch SE, as it does not have a blood oxygen sensor.
Apple could reinstate sales if the White House vetoes the import ban, and it has until December 25 to review the order and decide whether to intervene. If the White House does not veto the import ban, Apple will not be able to sell the Apple Watch until it removes the infringing technology.
Apple is planning to appeal as soon as it can on December 26, and the company said it is "pursuing a range of legal and technical options" to get the Apple Watch models back on store shelves as soon as possible.
Apple believes that a software fix might be enough to mitigate the problem, and Apple engineers are adjusting how oxygen saturation is determined and how the data is provided to customers. Apple said that it is working to submit a workaround to US Customs to get the ban lifted, but it is unclear if a software fix will be sufficient because the patents in question pertain to the hardware.
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Arrogant Apple where greed is everything.
Stealing again.
Nobody ever said anything about medical device level. The accuracy part of that article is all I was addressing.
Of course. I certainly wouldn't go by a single bad test -- with any device.
Yeah, you gotta love the spin MR and/or Apple puts on this.
Once again, the sensor does have merit primarily for those who never thought about it, and the watch alerted you to it for the first time.
If I did have chronic issues I would go with the finger tip device. If I only had an Apple Watch at hand and didn’t want to carry around the dedicated device then so be it. I have no medical issues so I’m not preaching to those that do. You folk know your situation better than me so I defer to your experience.
Fair enough?
I really, really, can't agree with you at all here. There's WAY different levels of need we're talking here. I know I need an O2 sensor close, preferably on me, but I'm not so at risk that I have to have medical grade stuff available all the time.
My Apple Watch basically tests really close to one of those devices -- it would be totally redundant for me to carry one of those and my watch. My watch has *never* been significantly different. And luck has it, I wear it all the time.
Those finger testers are kind of fragile too, just popping it in your pocket without a case might not be good. Having one at home, at work, in your car might work, but I already have my watch. Convenience means something too. And Apple watches other things like afib test, that really is a first time only need, and fall monitor, really makes it very convenient.
And if the O2 app gets disabled on my Apple watch(s), I'll switch brands to get that convenience back. (I can't help but think Masimo would go after other watch makers if given a blank check over Apple.)
It really is okay for someone that is borderline. Sure, if I was at risk of dying quickly, yeah, I'd want something a bit more, but I'm not really. I go by more how I feel first, with the watch being a confirmation, or a warning to tell me I might want to reevaluate how I feel!
For those that don't know their need, I'd say talk to your doctor, they'll usually tell you what you need and I trust them.
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>Fair enough,
Well, hard to tell. I'll add one thing about me, I'm definitely not an Apple fan right now, I'm getting really tired of some of the things they do that are extremely predatory, so know that I'm not just saying this because I have something that is influencing what I say more than just my own body.
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Here is the quote from your link: The five publications with 973 total patients that met the inclusion criteria all used the Apple Watch Series 6 and described 95% limits of agreement of +/- 2.7 to 5.9% spO2. However, outliers of up to 15% spO2 were reported.
For SPO2, 5.9% is a big error (not to mention 15%)
It also says:
"The Pearson correlation coefficient between watch and conventional oximeter measurements was 0.81, with limits of agreement of -2.7% and +4.1%. The Pearson correlation coefficient between the two conventional oximeter measurements was 0.993. The authors concluded that the Apple Watch Series 6 was a reliable way to obtain spO2 measurements in patients with lung diseases under controlled conditions."
While I have no idea what Pearson correlation is, notice the following:
- Correlation between AW and conventional oximeter is 0.81. While it sounds high, correlation between two conventional oximeters is way better - 0.993. The latter figure indicates that spO2 measurements are very stable and reliable. Much less so with AW.
- This particular study had just 100 participants. This paper summirized results from several studies and on average they were worse than this study.
- The "under controlled conditions" qualifier looks like a warning.