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While I have no idea what Pearson correlation is, notice the following:
  • Correlation between AW and conventional oximeter is 0.81. While it sounds high, correlation between two conventional oximeters is way better - 0.993. The latter figure indicates that spO2 measurements are very stable and reliable. Much less so with AW.
  • This particular study had just 100 participants. This paper summirized results from several studies and on average they were worse than this study.
  • The "under controlled conditions" qualifier looks like a warning.
While there are some health conditions where constant monitoring has benefits compared to more accurate testing that requires special equipment (Afib being one example), spO2 is not in this category. Firstly, AW does not monitor it constantly anyways. Secondly, spO2 is not as variable as pulse. Which means, if spO2 is potentionally a problem for someone, while AW can be used for convenience, use of conventional oximeter makes much more sense.
I give up, you haven't read a thing I've said, continue to think what you want -- and I'll continue doing the same.
 
Thanks, Unknown Company who has an ego so overinflated the world's most powerful company is taking a Christmas sales hit to prove a point: YOU'RE NOBODY.

I can't get an Apple Watch now....thankss.....I hope it was worth it to enforce their amazing patent that will make them a true market contender....HAHAHAHA LOL no one will remember them in a year when Apple demands a FRAND discussion.
You still can get an Apple Watch in several stores
 
It seems rather confusing, Apple, takes years to design, test a product like this watch, Apple has the resources to hire a lot of legal experts, medical experts, to establish the legality of the product, and that it works as promised... So how with all the legal experts on payroll, 1- did this slip through..2-How is Tim Cook not looking in the Jobs wanted in the Sunday paper.. Surely he has to be fired, after all this was his job, and he failed.. A 17 yr old fast food worker by mistake forgets to add a patty to a burger is fired, why not Tim for this??
 
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As expected, U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai, a Biden Administration appointee, declined to veto the U.S. International Trade Commission's order prohibiting importation into the U.S. of the Apple Watch 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2. The import ban remains in effect unless Apple wins an appeal in federal court, the parties reach an out-of-court agreement, or the U.S. ITC reverses its order (perhaps based on possible technical remediation that Apple is pursuing).

Sales of Apple Watch 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 models from third party sellers in the U.S. can continue from previously imported stocks until stocks are exhausted. As previously reported Apple may struggle to repair out-of-warranty affected watches in the U.S. (Take good care of your Apple Watch 9/Ultra 2.)
 
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It seems rather confusing, Apple, takes years to design, test a product like this watch, Apple has the resources to hire a lot of legal experts, medical experts, to establish the legality of the product, and that it works as promised... So how with all the legal experts on payroll, 1- did this slip through..2-How is Tim Cook not looking in the Jobs wanted in the Sunday paper.. Surely he has to be fired, after all this was his job, and he failed.. A 17 yr old fast food worker by mistake forgets to add a patty to a burger is fired, why not Tim for this??
It obviously didn't just slip through. They poached engineers from Masimo and copied their tech into the Apple Watch. They just didn't care, but I'm sure they do now.
 
I’m happy to see Apple is being kept in line with what is expected. If you use another’s IP then you license it. They seem to like bullying their way around and I’ve seen it first hand and think this is good.
 
Do you really believe the ban will last ?
No, it's absolutely asinine. The only reason it happened is because Apple said, "Sure, go ahead bud. Hundreds of thousands of people will then complain to the government about why they can't buy an Apple Watch and when explained that it's over a patent from a tiny company, their response will be "Why can't Apple pay royalties?" And then that after that, we put the offer right in front of them, FRAND or sell the patent. You can't stop us from selling watches....you can only stop us from selling them with your patent....how long until your shareholders give in and let Apple just BUY YOU....ending this stupid act of defiance."
 
And you think Apple didn’t import enough since the actual ruling is from eo Oct?
Learn about supply chain management
Dude, it's called $3trillion company....who the **** cares about supply chain. Apple just sits around and waits for the government to do what it always does in patent disputes, a FRAND hearing and dropping the ban as the government forces the patent holder to negotiate with Apple. The government cannot halt the import of the most popular electronics company in the world....that's a massive loss of tax revenue worth significantly more than some stupid tiny nobody seeking more money in a buyout.
 
You complain about wanting an Apple Watch now but evidently didn't think of getting one last week when Apple announced the deadline?

The very definition of short-sightedness would be to simply cave and agreeing to pay Masimo licensing fees for posterity. I really don't see the issue you are having with Apple opting to explore all possible alternatives first. Knowing Apple, they would have stockpiled a fair supply of Apple Watches prior to the import ban, plus the announcement last week should have pulled forward a decent amount of demand.

In the near term, sales of the Apple Watch will continue to do just fine. How it plays out next quarter, well, I guess that's just additional fodder for Macrumours reporting and the comments section in general. :)
You don't get it. The patent holder wouldn't play ball on a buyout and thought they could hold out for more money. Apple told them to suck it. They went to ITC and bitched, like Spotify, Epic, and Google have been doing lately. If you can't compete in the market, bitch to the government about anti-trust. This happened to Microsoft in the 1990s as Apple collapsed and Jean-Loius Gasbag failed the alternative with BeOS and the Open Source community mounted their Linux assault to dislodge Microsoft.

It's not about supply chain. Apple is worth $3 Trillion dollars, or about 3/5 of the US Government's yearly tax revenue. Government is slowly becoming too weak to attack Apple or Google for that matter directly as they have so much money, the government would default first....Apple could throw their entire net worth into an existential battle with the US Government and the US government would have to forgo every dime of one year's tax revenue to combat it. That doesn't hurt the US government at all. But it would waste a ridiculous amount of money and resources that the US government doesn't have aimed directly at Apple. The US government runs a nation. Apple is a singular company and can aim everything in one direction.

They have very loyal customers who will be extremely upset if the ban isn't lifted soon. Apple customers may just bitch at the government, "What do you mean Apple stole someone's technology? They have money? Why can't they just buy the company? Why can't they just buy the patent? What makes some pipsqueak mouse think they can bully a blue whale using the greatest of all dull instruments, the government?
 
What makes some pipsqueak mouse think they can bully a blue whale using the greatest of all dull instruments, the government?
It's because all intellectual property rights flow out of the government (it's in the Constitution and every country in the world emulates this as well, even tiny countries like Guyana issue patents).

IP rights are an exception to, and in tension with, anti-trust, and these rights are not self-enforcing. You have to go through the government to enforce them.
 
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No, it's absolutely asinine. The only reason it happened is because Apple said, "Sure, go ahead bud. Hundreds of thousands of people will then complain to the government about why they can't buy an Apple Watch and when explained that it's over a patent from a tiny company, their response will be "Why can't Apple pay royalties?" And then that after that, we put the offer right in front of them, FRAND or sell the patent. You can't stop us from selling watches....you can only stop us from selling them with your patent....how long until your shareholders give in and let Apple just BUY YOU....ending this stupid act of defiance."
Apple isn't going to buy Masimo. It's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
 
That's the point. This is absolutely ****ing stupid....this company gets swallowed by Apple in about six months. This is like a minnow getting shark to protect it for one day....and then the Orca comes in and tells the shark to either eat the minnow or die....
This company isn't going to be bought by Apple, get real 🙄🙄
 
You don't get it. The patent holder wouldn't play ball on a buyout and thought they could hold out for more money. Apple told them to suck it. They went to ITC and bitched, like Spotify, Epic, and Google have been doing lately. If you can't compete in the market, bitch to the government about anti-trust. This happened to Microsoft in the 1990s as Apple collapsed and Jean-Loius Gasbag failed the alternative with BeOS and the Open Source community mounted their Linux assault to dislodge Microsoft.

It's not about supply chain. Apple is worth $3 Trillion dollars, or about 3/5 of the US Government's yearly tax revenue. Government is slowly becoming too weak to attack Apple or Google for that matter directly as they have so much money, the government would default first....Apple could throw their entire net worth into an existential battle with the US Government and the US government would have to forgo every dime of one year's tax revenue to combat it. That doesn't hurt the US government at all. But it would waste a ridiculous amount of money and resources that the US government doesn't have aimed directly at Apple. The US government runs a nation. Apple is a singular company and can aim everything in one direction.

They have very loyal customers who will be extremely upset if the ban isn't lifted soon. Apple customers may just bitch at the government, "What do you mean Apple stole someone's technology? They have money? Why can't they just buy the company? Why can't they just buy the patent? What makes some pipsqueak mouse think they can bully a blue whale using the greatest of all dull instruments, the government?
Apple has a lot of money, but the government has more, and the government has the power. Apple would be a distant memory in the U.S. if they challenged the government. And that's the way it should be -- there's no good way for a corporation to break the law and get away with it.

Blame all you want and say just buy the company or license the patents, but Apple hasn't talked to them about that and it wont just magically happen. I blame apple for letting it get this far.
 
No, it's absolutely asinine. The only reason it happened is because Apple said, "Sure, go ahead bud. Hundreds of thousands of people will then complain to the government about why they can't buy an Apple Watch and when explained that it's over a patent from a tiny company, their response will be "Why can't Apple pay royalties?" And then that after that, we put the offer right in front of them, FRAND or sell the patent. You can't stop us from selling watches....you can only stop us from selling them with your patent....how long until your shareholders give in and let Apple just BUY YOU....ending this stupid act of defiance."
Masimo is not exactly a tiny company they are a six billion dollar company traded on nasdaq. They are not a patent troll like many others they actually design make and sell the best and most accurate pulse oximeter in the world used in all the major hospitals.
 
I blame apple for letting it get this far.
There's that saying, no pain no gain. Apple is taking risks here for sure, but who knows, maybe a year from now it will look like a brilliant move or a huge fail. Apple paying off Masimo might not sit will with the shareholders either.
 
Dude, it's called $3trillion company....who the **** cares about supply chain. Apple just sits around and waits for the government to do what it always does in patent disputes, a FRAND hearing and dropping the ban as the government forces the patent holder to negotiate with Apple. The government cannot halt the import of the most popular electronics company in the world....that's a massive loss of tax revenue worth significantly more than some stupid tiny nobody seeking more money in a buyout.
No need for name calling…
And as in my previous post, the law is the law, I bide by it or face the consequences
 
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